I mean, it could be that scum-Roden was trying to push your wagon as an alternative to his own. But my wagon wouldn't factor in at all, because it sprung up out of nowhere in response to a misunderstanding.
In post 1368, Vivax wrote:You‘re right. I apologize. But artificial tone describes it to me, or lacking passion.
Guess I got triggered by being told that I got bombarded with numbers for its own sake
I wasn't offended by it, but maybe that's because I've seen a lot of impressive stuff done by AI
Still isn't especially helpful though-- I can talk about more random gut feelings I'm having, but that seems like it would be massively distracting and not help anyone read me at all.
Yeah I liked reading the lamda interview. Very interesting.
I guess tendentially right-hemisphericals like me have issues with having to adopt a left-hemisphericals way of communicating, and we tend to get drawn to gloomy stuff.
At least you should have a more optimistic way of looking at things if that‘s a correct assessment.
In post 19, Ircher wrote:As long as we achieve 1,275 points out of 1,700 points each day, we will be fine. If mastina is setting hers to 0%, then we need to average 80 points per player to avoid the extra night kills.
Is this just you guessing that this game is a 17:4, or did I miss that info somewhere, or?
This is the primary reason I think Luke can't be scum.
I'd love to see a convincing perspective on why Luke actively decides to make this post as scum. Because otherwise, I agree that he's a pretty simple choice for PoE.
As scum, Lukewarm would know the total faction numbers.
As scum, Lukewarm would be pretending to scumhunt.
As scum, Lukewarm would see this post by Ircher and think that his town self would see it.
As scum, Lukewarm figured it'd be worth bringing up, and that Ircher wouldn't necessarily be hard-condemned for it.
As scum, Lukewarm thought the interaction was natural-looking and would be an organic way to have interactions with Ircher.
As scum, Lukewarm had to pivot away from this organic interaction plan when momentum built on Ircher and Ircher wasn't able to dissuade it in time.
The interaction doesn't look like town finding a smoking gun.
The interaction looks like scum interacting with scum in the hopes of making both parties look more town from the exchange.
Which didn't end up happening, mind you--but Lukewarm as scum wouldn't have known what that interaction would trigger from the town.
Keep in mind, that post was literally on page 2.
Lukewarm as scum would expect discussion of faction size/info to be mech-talk taking place in the RVS stage of the game. For Ircher to provide his thoughts, where he would explain his comment, and then the town to chime in with their thoughts, and so on and so forth, where ultimately it was decided to be nai or maybe even town for Ircher. That is what it looks like was the plan. He saw something as scum that could be a scumslip, but figured his town self would see it and that engaging in the conversation would be harmless.
Then it turned out to be a big deal. Lukewarm wouldn't have known that a page one post by Ircher that he pointed out on page two would be a big problem for the scum.
Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2022 6:42 am
by mastina
In post 1241, RCEnigma wrote:Mastina would you be interested in making a deal with me that benefits you twofold?
I mean maybe but honestly unlikely.
I'm pretty sure on my Roden scumread so I really don't see myself moving off of him.
But if it's not a request to vote elsewhere today then sure.
Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2022 6:47 am
by mastina
In post 1268, furtiveglance wrote:Mastina, I'm struggling to think of how this could be the case. I would say don't worry about sharing your argument, if Ircher's setup speculation was real then there are only 3 mafia left, I don't think scum fakeclaiming in future is a massive problem.
Why catch only two scum fakeclaiming when you can catch three or four by not revealing how they're fucking up their fakeclaims?
Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2022 6:54 am
by mastina
In post 1284, Ausuka wrote:I am hoping she has an extremely good reason for doing so
Oh, I do!
In post 1279, Roden wrote:If I got seen by a Tracker or Watcher it's a better play for town to just say I targeted someone who died than to let a town PR potentially out themself with a false guilty
If you got seen by a tracker or watcher, it's also better play for scum to claim before they are outted by a
In post 1268, furtiveglance wrote:Mastina, I'm struggling to think of how this could be the case. I would say don't worry about sharing your argument, if Ircher's setup speculation was real then there are only 3 mafia left, I don't think scum fakeclaiming in future is a massive problem.
Why catch only two scum fakeclaiming when you can catch three or four by not revealing how they're fucking up their fakeclaims?
Not all scum have to fakeclaim
Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2022 6:55 am
by furtiveglance
I like wagon momentum, but I was unsure when I voted S_S, and I'm still unsure. I'm having second thoughts
Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2022 6:56 am
by furtiveglance
VOTE: RCEnigma
Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2022 6:57 am
by PenguinPower
In post 1382, furtiveglance wrote:I like wagon momentum, but I was unsure when I voted S_S, and I'm still unsure. I'm having second thoughts
go on and unvote.
i deserve to be the first voter. it's as the world intended but for the bork.
In post 1302, Something_Smart wrote:Plus, her read on me feels like TMI, since she clearly thinks she knows something about my role and I don't see how she can be that confident about it (even if she is right).
For the exact same reason I know jjh is town and knew Ircher was scum and know Roden is scum.
So, yes, it is a form of TMI, but in this case originating from town. The town who have paid attention that are in the know, are in the know and basically are a gigantic masonry as far as I'm concerned. {Vivax, jjh, Something_Smart, PenguinPower} is a pool which never contains scum if I'm right, here.
jjh probably knows what I know. He may or may not agree, mind you, but he probably sees what I am seeing at least.
You and PenguinPower, if I am right, might be able to figure it out, too. But obviously, the less said, the better, because I don't want to give anything away which would let scum infiltrate the holy masonry.
In post 1366, Titus wrote:Great. How do you believe she didn't spend it?
Well, presumably her role doesn't do the big thing she's claiming it does until D4. The simplest interpretation is that it requires a ton of %, could just be that it requires acting in a certain way on multiple nights. So I don't know she didn't spend it, but I assume she can't yet do the big thing she's claiming she will, so it's effectively the same either way.
Why not consider she's bluffing or using her role multiple times?
The Titus wagon sticks out to me for its constituents
Oh yeah that wagon is scummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Like, is literally my three scumreads, scum.
I wonder why?
Could it perhaps be that they know they're fucked if they lose Roden and they're hoping that they can push a wagon through on Titus?
That's where I am at, but I doubt all 3 are scum.
I'd be flabbergasted if both Roden and SS were town.
Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2022 7:05 am
by Something_Smart
In post 1389, Titus wrote:Why not consider she's bluffing or using her role multiple times?
I figured a bluff would only last a single day. I guess it could not, but that seems like a much more deceptive way than mastina likes to play. If her role had consistent utility then she probably wouldn't wait till D4 to reveal everything because dying N3 would be awful.
Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2022 7:06 am
by Something_Smart
In post 1391, Titus wrote:I'd be flabbergasted if both Roden and SS were town.
Why? We're probably at a pretty low scum:town ratio. Usually scum lims D1 are followed by town going wrong a couple times and then getting demotivated.
In post 1389, Titus wrote:Why not consider she's bluffing or using her role multiple times?
I figured a bluff would only last a single day. I guess it could not, but that seems like a much more deceptive way than mastina likes to play. If her role had consistent utility then she probably wouldn't wait till D4 to reveal everything because dying N3 would be awful.
Why? If mastina's vanilla (I don't think it's the case), then she would be forced to continue the deception to show why she hadn't broke the game d2. Putting forth 100% while claiming to put 0 in can trick scum.
Second, if she couldn't use her role day 1, then she'd want to make it look like she could.
I think but can't prove you're coming from knowing mastina couldn't use her ability n1 and auto trusting her because you're scum. I don't get the townreads.
Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2022 7:10 am
by Something_Smart
In post 1394, Titus wrote:I think but can't prove you're coming from knowing mastina couldn't use her ability n1
How would I know that as scum?
Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2022 7:19 am
by mastina
In post 1340, Titus wrote:VOTE: SS
Will consider a Roden vote upon review as that's a strong mastina read.
Titus my townread on Something_Smart is even stronger than my scumread on Roden.
In post 1394, Titus wrote:I think but can't prove you're coming from knowing mastina couldn't use her ability n1
How would I know that as scum?
First, scum generally propose town are honest. Since you didn't see gamebreaking, it's not a stretch you inferred it. Second, scum get powers too. Both alignments would want to investigate her. So you could know that way. The lack of doubt and analysis is suspect.
In post 1340, Titus wrote:VOTE: SS
Will consider a Roden vote upon review as that's a strong mastina read.
Titus my townread on Something_Smart is even stronger than my scumread on Roden.
I can't see how. Throw me a bone.
I haven't read last night fyi. So if it's in there, sorry.
Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2022 7:23 am
by fireisredsir
im caught up but p out of it rn
i think this looks more like town titus than d1 did so i feel better there ig
i do think it's p possible that scum hard bussed once they saw the slip and one of the other main possibilities would be luke, but idk i just don't see his approach to the game as scummy at all. re-eval on vivax seemed fairly natural with just the appropriate amount of lingering pride before switching away. will try to read more closely and compare to scum games when i have more of a brain but my brief impression was that he was kinda a overwhelm with Goodposting and lots of content scum player, and didn't always match tone in the way i think he has here
one issue i do have with luke ig is i don't understand the ausuka townread, i don't think the roden interaction is remotely clearing and besides that i don't think she's been very towny yet. the lampshading of "yes im playing differently, it's on purpose!" felt kinda off to me