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I didn't see a post from Syr to that effect prior to the crash. I was online and reading games that day.

In post 1422, Zdenek wrote:I saw this

In post 630, enomis wrote:

In post 629, Oversoul wrote:

In post 628, enomis wrote:@oversoul: And yet you are not voting for poo.

And yet I was until he claimed.
And yet I realized the implications of the wording of his role before you or Katsuki.
And yet I unvoted at that time.
And yet you can't read.

Or at least don't like to.

All you did was" I need to think about this".

Explain your unvote since you already 'realized' the implications of the wording and you think the correct action was to lynch him.

and realized that Oversoul is probably scum.

Enomis is exactly right. Oversoul's unvote makes absolutely no sense in this context.

Other points about OS on day 1.
Oversoul's 253 ignores everything that is going on at the time. Pjo had started trolling me and SoO, and Whimsy was at L-1/L-2.
In fairness, his vote was on Whimsy, but his vote there in a post where he didn't comment on Whimsy at all.

There's also the post where Oversoul asked Matt and Tierce to kiss and make-up. Up until then, he thought Matt was town, but criticized Tierce for pushing a bad argument against Zach, and was suspicious of her for how her interaction with Zach ended. I think asking them to kiss and make-up is something that one would say to town reads that are fighting, not to a town-read and to a someone who's other interactions you have found questionable.

This is pretty convincing.

I don't want to vote right now, but this is where I'm thinking about putting my vote.

Syr what do you think of this analysis?

~Vote Count LII

Katsuki (2) ~ Oversoul, Syryana
Oversoul (1) ~ Katsuki
Syryana (1) ~ Amrun

Not Voting:

fferyllt, sword_of_omens, Zdenek

In post 1409, Syryana wrote:POE, largely. You, Amrun, fery are town. Only one of {Katsuki, Oversoul} is scum. I also didn't like his "guys, you should unvote and stuff". Feels like he's reaching for towncred (and he's not actually doing anything else).

i had other games that i was working on yesterday when i saw the votes...considering this could be mylo i asked that they unvote...as far as "not doing anything else" , at the time i posted I still hadn’t re-read the people that I had needed to, which is what I ‘v been trying to do today...


Oversoul -
I still think Oversoul is town..

Zdenek wrote:

Oversoul wrote:And yet I was until he claimed.
And yet I realized the implications of the wording of his role before you or Katsuki.
And yet I unvoted at that time.
And yet you can't read.

Or at least don't like to.

Enomis is exactly right. Oversoul's unvote makes absolutely no sense in this context.

Here was his reasoning for that:

Oversoul wrote: Thought process about the unvote was... I need to think about this!
I had similar thoughts to Zach about the claim being too strong for it to be scum. Then I had thoughts about the wording not making sense and it being a fakeclaim. Then I noticed something else that Antagon posted that made go back to thinking the claim might be town

Unless i’m reading this wrong somehow, his unvote makes sense to me...he originally looked at it as too powerful to be scum, then thought it might be considered a fake claim....
then unvoted when he noticed the wording of Antagon possibly being the protector of Enomis’ role..he didn’t unvote until after Antagon stated the following:

In post 579, Antagon wrote:But in a game where the death of one role makes it Night for the rest of the game...

He did mention (#626) that it was still probably best to lynch Antagon as there would probably be no real way to get info from his role...and then he also mentioned that he was still unsure about Antagon...
I could understand this, as i had reservations too...
Also, like i said, i’ve noticed that OS/town always says things like:

In post 724, Oversoul wrote:Gg no re if you think I'm scum

In post 1266, Oversoul wrote:If you think I'm scum for this then well... good luck.

I don’t remember him ever doing this as scum…


Kats – going back and looking at Katsuki, I’m leaning town…opening post could be seen as a soft claim to VT…Kats really pushed for the D1 lynch of Antagon, especially when there was a lot of uncertainty in regards to Antagon’s claim…I think Kats could have easily jumped over to the hp wagon and not been questioned about it…Going through his ISO I really don’t see anything damning either…also Katsuki’s #1368 right before deadline seems very town to me..


I am V/LA tomorrow, as I’m sure most everyone else is, but I will be here on Friday all day before deadline…and seeing as it will mostly be dead at work, I should have plenty of time to finish up my reads…
I still need to re-read Syryana, but I definitely want to take a closer look at Amrun and Ffery..i still don’t like the fact that everyone auto-assumes flavor cop is town…like I said , I’ve been burned multiple times from flavor cops turning out to be scum (FF6 and 90’s cartoon) and if she is scum, she could easily clear a scum mate off as town.

I don't have Internet access except for spotty Internet where I am so I won't get to this until tomorrow when I am able to get to a hotspot

In post 1428, sword_of_omens wrote:Unless i’m reading this wrong somehow, his unvote makes sense to me...he originally looked at it as too powerful to be scum, then thought it might be considered a fake claim....

The thing is, it's not too strong to be scum. It is too strong to be town.

I fucking hate that I have no idea who SoO wants to lynch right now,

But if he was scum he should be trying to push a mislynch, so I have no idea.

~Vote Count LIII

Katsuki (2) ~ Oversoul, Syryana
Oversoul (1) ~ Katsuki
Syryana (1) ~ Amrun

Not Voting:

fferyllt, sword_of_omens, Zdenek

In post 1433, Vi wrote:EXPLOSIONS in America.

In post 1428, sword_of_omens wrote:I still need to re-read Syryana, but I definitely want to take a closer look at Amrun and Ffery..i still don’t like the fact that everyone auto-assumes flavor cop is town…like I said , I’ve been burned multiple times from flavor cops turning out to be scum (FF6 and 90’s cartoon) and if she is scum, she could easily clear a scum mate off as town.

I am having trouble getting past this, too. If I were just looking at Amrun with no Pjo posts factored in, I'd be suspicious as fuck not least because of how useless the investigations seem to have been. Not that I'd do a great job of picking out universes. But, I am not scum, so the n4 investigation has no scum motivation that I can see, unless she boxed herself in on day 4 by asking for suggestions.

How would asking for suggestions have led me to pick you, fiery? I only got one suggestion and I ignored it because it was from a scum read and 1 suggestion does not a consensus make.

Just a reminder that I'm v/la all week long -- still reading periodically, still dropping by on my phone especially in light of this game's deadlines, but my attention is sparse and scattered.

In post 1435, fferyllt wrote:I am having trouble getting past this, too. If I were just looking at Amrun with no Pjo posts factored in, I'd be suspicious as fuck not least because of how useless the investigations seem to have been. Not that I'd do a great job of picking out universes. But, I am not scum, so the n4 investigation has no scum motivation that I can see, unless she boxed herself in on day 4 by asking for suggestions.

I originally thought that she was scum, particularly since she's only ever been in one Vi-modded game that I can see and by and large Tarharlindur is a scum role in Vi games. However, my "Amrun is likely town" scenario came from this.

Flavor cop in this scenario has zero utility for scum. Scum really only need to find the one role: Enomis. As he was from Ar Tonelico (not Ar Telonico, bad Vi, no puppy), and there are no other characters from that universe, scum couldn't have been given any information regarding whomever had the apocalypse role that would be useful for a flavor cop (otherwise, herp dead guy derp).

Therefore, the flavorcop must be a fakeclaim if coming from scum. Given pjo's "let's claim universes!" gambit, in order for Amrun to be scum this series of events must have occurred: 1) Flavor cop fakeclaim must have been created/taken from Vi pregame, 2)Pjovek must have gambitted with said fakeclaim at the start of the game, 3)Amrun, after replacing in, must have claimed said fakeclaim during massclaim. While it is not outside the realm of possibility that this has in fact occurred, I'm putting this in the "if they did all that and pulled it off this well they can bloody have the fucking game and I'll nom them for scummies later". Therefore Amrun is town.

If Amrun is town, it follows that fery must be town. Fery knew Day 1 that pjovek was the flavor cop (of some , ucwutididthur). Flavor cop in this game essentially negates fakeclaims. If fery were scum, no fucking way would Amrun still be alive. None. I would even posit that scum-fery would have pushed for Amrun to be killed over Enomis, given Enomis (afaict) didn't crumb PR, whereas pjo/Amrun did (and fery picked up on it). Even assuming the other scum overruled her on N1, Amrun still would not have survived to now.

@fery, did you ever read the Xylbot game?

In post 1437, Syryana wrote:Flavor cop in this scenario has zero utility for scum. Scum really only need to find the one role: Enomis. As he was from Ar Tonelico (not Ar Telonico, bad Vi, no puppy), and there are no other characters from that univers

Unless they have a member from that Universe.

Of course it's still useless, since it just tells them that character is in the game.

Aye. Even if a scum member has an Ar Tonelico person, using the flavor cop would (as Amrun claimed it) just reveal everyone from that universe. If the scum were given any kind of info about the flavor of the Apocalypse role, finding that role with the flavor cop would be overpowered (Apo role dead N2 at latest). Without that information, flavor cop is completely useless to scum.

DO you still think OS is more likely scum than Katsuki?

Sorry the other way around.

In post 1436, Amrun wrote:How would asking for suggestions have led me to pick you, fiery? I only got one suggestion and I ignored it because it was from a scum read and 1 suggestion does not a consensus make.

Just a reminder that I'm v/la all week long -- still reading periodically, still dropping by on my phone especially in light of this game's deadlines, but my attention is sparse and scattered.

You are right, one suggestion, and you obviously ignored it.

The "lil dashes" being apparently a wildly improbable coincidence has kept me micrometers from raging paranoia since you first said you were scum-reading me.

I still don't think Oversoul's play here is like his scumgame in Xylbot(in Xylbot he was more interested in looking town than being town, this seems more like Townversoul to me). I'm waiting on fery to get back to me on it to see if I'm crazy or not. She should be around later.

So in answer to your question, yes I'm still leaning Katsuki.

In the meantime I'm going to do some extended ISOs (probably will occur later this evening) on both Oversoul/Kat.

PEDIT: YOU! ANSWER MAH QUESHINS

In post 1437, Syryana wrote:@fery, did you ever read the Xylbot game?

iso-skimmed. need to find time to read it more carefully. Time I should have in plenty with the deadline extension.

internet messed up still
tomorrow the internet company checks on things but I won't be able to get to it until tomorrow night anyway. Today was my only day off

Enjoy

Happy fireworks day.

So far quite happy with this day.

~Vote Count LIV

Katsuki (2) ~ Oversoul, Syryana
Oversoul (1) ~ Katsuki
Syryana (1) ~ Amrun

Not Voting:

fferyllt, sword_of_omens, Zdenek