Open 719: Stack The Deck! (D4)

[brassherald]

Math, what are you feeling right now? I feel like I want to end this game, but I'm having a hard time making up my mind.

[Mathdino]

tbh i've been putting off all the work i was planning on doing for this game

still need to do a reread

i want to believe thor and JJD wouldn't both be wrong on wisdom but i also don't believe they can read maria either

maria tryna take credit for being a good townie is kinda pissing me off

as is wasting the entire day tunneling me since she literally didn't have a case on wisdom

[brassherald]

I will await your reread, then.

May the Force be with you. I've reread both of their ISOs and I'm just wishy washy every time I think I've got it.

[Mathdino]

this might come down to whether the worst would pick daytalk or traitor recruit

[Wisdom]

why is this so hard for you, Maria has basically given up

[MariaR]

No but I have said everything I've wanted to see I feel it's blatantly obv why I'm town here and my actions show it if they got a question I'll answer otherwise not a peep from me I'm uncomfortable enough as it is

[Wisdom]

see, that's what i mean

[MariaR]

It's honestly super easy as scum to just you know make up anything that comes to my mind but here it's harder it's like
Do I keep talking?
Do I shut up and let em solve it?
It's hard.

[Wisdom]

its equally easy to do what you're doing

[Wisdom]

maria tryna take credit for being a good townie is kinda pissing me off

she is in general taking the too weird to be scum path
like in the page 26 sequence where i ended up thinking she has to be town with all that erratic thinking

[Wisdom]

and the problem is that her town game is

also

like that, thus making it hard to distinguish what is what

[Mathdino]

why do people develop a shit town meta to be better at their scumgames

[Wisdom]

idk if its on purpose or if shes good at emulating a subpar town game

[Wisdom]

btw i just updated my wiki if you want to use it

[brassherald]

Math, I'm sorry if I keep going back to the same thing, but can you explain again why MariaR is not recruited?

[Mathdino]

mariaR never kills the IC or makes all those NKA posts after the IC died

[Mathdino]

i was actually just working on this game

wisdom hasn't played scum in a while

the biggest thing i don't think scum-him fakes is the read progression on me now that he's explained it

the biggest thing i don't think scumariaR fakes is the "changing my mind a bunch of times"

maria is however a better practiced scum player than wisdom

wisdom also replaced dunnstral tho

@Mod: If scum post in the PT but do not confirm via PM, is this treated as lack of confirmation?

[Wisdom]

it also makes more sense to bus beef while not knowing hes rolecop than if she knew

[Mathdino]

I'm actually thinking it's a town slot, since decisions were probably made in his absence yet he did confirm in the end. If he was posting in the scum pt either his partners or the mod would have reminded him to send the confirmation pm, but that's all probably outguessing the mod. Same for the mod noting that the new roles will be send after the initial 72 hours "so as not give away alignments". Wisdom would have needed some time to discuss with his partners, bit the "not to give away alignments" suggests it wasn't necessary, so Wisdom probably isn't scum.

this post might be more sheepable than any of JJD's suspicions...

ugh now we're bringing in out of game shit

[brassherald]

Wait, I could buy a daychat with Rolecop, because if they cop the traitor they find the traitor anyway. That was the main thing I was having a hard time getting over.

[Mathdino]

Not to mention that goon cop fails on 2 of them, and they can just have the rolecop submit all the kills to fuck up the tracker.

[Wisdom]

the biggest thing i don't think scumariaR fakes is the "changing my mind a bunch of times"

what did she change her mind on in this game?

[Mathdino]

First of all my read on you the whole game has been town, i just got paranoid you had pocketed me when i realized on d2 that half the reasons i was townreading you for didnt apply if you were the traitor
What also fed into the paranoia was that you wouldnt agree with ugly and instead pushed tw - up until i looked at a few tw games to see how he is as scum i was gut townreading him and felt like your push on him wanted to draw attention from the ugly wagon
When i realized tw is basically the same as scum i stopped thinking i had solved the game and wondered if you were right about him, thus starting to consider both duck scenario as well as tw + esp/maria

i didnt stop thinking it's you and ugly on that page, i just switched to ugly
my posts on the next page hint im still suspecting you

this is potentially wisdom's towniest post as i'm seeing it

[Mathdino]

Well the first time I was like "hrm maybe it was wisdom" was when it seemed like I was the only one who was suspecting math and widom came in and was like "oh maria is kinda towny" I was already somewhat scared that I'd fuck everything up by trying to strongman a lynch on math but be wrong and it really be wisdom and I don't know why he was townreading me.
The second time I switched back to thinking it was Math because I went back to the idea of "oh he setup the worst lynch and wants to lynch today because it's me vs wisdom and it works for him" because that going into the day phase is what it looked like and of course math would do that
The third time was because I thought it over and Math seemed like he would have the ego to want to lynch today because he wants his own fate and to be a little selfish
I started thinking it was math again when he went into hyper type mode when me and wisdom were agreeing on the same page and he started showing all these set up spec/mech talk (and I've caught scum for doing this a lot) and I thought he was just doing it to seem towny

and this is maria's towniest post

[brassherald]

It really bothers me that both of these are so recent and really are only when they need to case just one person, by the way.