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Post Post #150 (ISO) » Wed Mar 11, 2009 3:19 pm

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I am not asking you to do that. I am asking you to proofread posts you make to make sure they make sense. I don't like how you automatically resort to sarcasm and threats when I make a comment on your posting. I am giving you suggestions on how to make your posts more readable.
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Post Post #151 (ISO) » Wed Mar 11, 2009 9:37 pm

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Shanba is not attempting to justify his vote in retrograde, which is more neutral than scummy to me. While an unexplained or whimsical vote is certainly anti-town, Shanba shows very little concern for its appearance. His vote on Mizz's wagon would garner more attention from me if he
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Post Post #152 (ISO) » Thu Mar 12, 2009 1:02 am

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dean harper wrote: and his going along with corvuus' error on the L-1 thing about me without even checking.
You are obviously clueless or overly paranoid. Where did I say ANYTHING about you and this particular L-1 vote? I am certain that what I quoted had nothing to do with you. What I was responding to was the question of what I thought about mizzmafia making a claim when at L-1. Go make a mountain out of a mole hill and involve yourslef in something that has nothing to do with you. Oh, wait.. you just did. Wake up numbnuts.
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Post Post #153 (ISO) » Thu Mar 12, 2009 3:27 am

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freeko wrote:
dean harper wrote: and his going along with corvuus' error on the L-1 thing about me without even checking.
You are obviously clueless or overly paranoid. Where did I say ANYTHING about you and this particular L-1 vote? I am certain that what I quoted had nothing to do with you. What I was responding to was the question of what I thought about mizzmafia making a claim when at L-1. Go make a mountain out of a mole hill and involve yourslef in something that has nothing to do with you. Oh, wait.. you just did. Wake up numbnuts.
My bad. I was under the impression that you were speaking about corvuus' post, which was right above yours for some reason.

About the "mountain out of a molehill" comment, sometimes it is very beneficial for the town to involve yourself in something that you were not part of. I make comments on things that I see relating to myself, and on things that seem scummy/anti-town. In this case, I was wrong about it being related to me, and it was not a scummy comment.

Please stop insulting me. I make mistakes. I'm sorry. This game has unfortunately jumbled a lot of those mistakes together very closely.
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Post Post #154 (ISO) » Thu Mar 12, 2009 4:07 am

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Corvuus wrote:
Mod: Replacement Slicey and Seamus. Prod/replacement on Mizz?
Do your part: help find the three replacements that this game currently needs!
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Post Post #155 (ISO) » Thu Mar 12, 2009 10:26 am

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Post Post #156 (ISO) » Thu Mar 12, 2009 5:31 pm

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Shanba wrote: Corvuus: who is the scummiest player in the game?

Vote: Dean Harper
I'm not following this. Are you voting for Dean Harper because he's the scummiest or are you asking Corv who he thinks is the scummiest while voting for Dean for some other reason?
freeko wrote: Under general circumstances it seems fairly standard around L-1 or L-2 that people end up claiming.
Which is why I suspect some combination of you (L-2), Slicey (L-1) and Master Ruck (the claim request) are role-fishing.


Dean Harper's point about Corvuus talking about a subset of the wagoners is valid. Corv presented concerns about Shanba (L-3), Freeko (L-2) and
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Post Post #157 (ISO) » Fri Mar 13, 2009 7:06 am

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Dean Harper's point isn't valid (or at least, the point you try to make isn't)

read my post #98 and #100. I wanted to go after Slicey but he hasn't posted at ALL, still is being prodded and still is being replaced and so I moved on.

What is the point of mentioning someone/voting for pressure, etc. someone who should have been replaced a while ago/doesn't exist? It is just beating a already dead horse.

Likewise, I'm beginning to give up hope on MissRin doing/saying anything but I'm keeping my vote there until post/prod/replacement.

Seamus was replaced by IH but he hasn't said anything.

etc. etc.

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for simply being around and saying something so obviously false since post #99 is you (artem) telling me that Slicey dropped off and I inferred that there was no point in mentioning him anymore until he is replaced. So you conveniently forgot that you did that and now you say it is a point against me?

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Post Post #158 (ISO) » Fri Mar 13, 2009 7:43 am

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@Corv: I would understand that if you were asking questions of people. It doesn't make sense to ask questions of somebody who's about to be replaced. However, you were simply stating things you don't like that they did and things you found scummy. Just because somebody's getting replaced doesn't mean you should give them leeway in terms of what they've done. Alignment doesn't change with replacement.
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Post Post #159 (ISO) » Fri Mar 13, 2009 8:03 am

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How am I giving them leeway?

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conversely: What is the point of stating things (which I already stated in my previous post) again for a person who isn't here/no response can be received.

When Slicey does get replaced, then the point/re-read will be brought up again; So what do I (or you) accomplish by saying Slicey voted Mizz.Mafia ( L-1 ) lets all go vote him?... oh wait... he isn't here... umm... ok.... no progress.

So Artem, what do YOU want to do. Who do you find scummiest? Otherwise my FoS stands since you are just quoting/following and I gain nothing from it.

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Post Post #160 (ISO) » Fri Mar 13, 2009 8:31 am

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Corv wrote: conversely: What is the point of stating things (which I already stated in my previous post) again for a person who isn't here/no response can be received.

When Slicey does get replaced, then the point/re-read will be brought up again; So what do I (or you) accomplish by saying Slicey voted Mizz.Mafia ( L-1 ) lets all go vote him?... oh wait... he isn't here... umm... ok.... no progress.
So what did you accomplish by stating that you're not happy with Shanba's and freeko's answers and Dean's request for a claim, besides Dean getting on your case about using him in place of Master Ruck?
Corv wrote: So Artem, what do YOU want to do. Who do you find scummiest? Otherwise my FoS stands since you are just quoting/following and I gain nothing from it.
I want Shanba to answer my question and I want IH to post his thoughts about the game he replaced into.

I still find freeko the scummiest, because he somehow expected a newbie to instantly learn to play better from his "shape up or ship out" and then backpedaled to "oh, I guess a replacement would have been better. I should probably OMGUS vote you to take Mizz off L-1".
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Post Post #161 (ISO) » Fri Mar 13, 2009 5:04 pm

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I'M NOT DEAD. I APOLOGIZE FOR MY IDIOCY.

I STILL HEART SHANBA.

I STILL HAVE NOT READ.

I WILL READ TOMORROW AS I HAVE LESS THAN 15 MINUTES TO USE THE INTERNET AND FIND SOMETHING.
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Post Post #162 (ISO) » Sat Mar 14, 2009 11:38 am

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Post Post #163 (ISO) » Sat Mar 14, 2009 3:50 pm

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Artem wrote:Alignment doesn't change with replacement.
Corrv, this is the correct mentality. You could have had your questions out on the table for Slicey's replacement, even if Slicey couldn't answer them. Just because Slicey isn't around doesn't mean you completely ignore the fact that he was on the wagon as well (let alone placed the L-1 vote).

I'm still here, not much to say besides that at the moment.
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Post Post #164 (ISO) » Sat Mar 14, 2009 3:51 pm

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Also, this game is dying.
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Post Post #165 (ISO) » Mon Mar 16, 2009 6:20 am

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I'm around but half of the players aren't posting/around, so I have no motivation. Especially when players, like Dean, post 'what is correct mentality', 'you ignored' and telling me how to play and what I didn't play.

I didn't ignore it. If you or anyone else says I did, then I will just post that you have ignored the lurkers/inactive/replacements as well, especially Dean, who despite saying it is correct mentality for someone who did L-1 vote, hasn't mentioned or made comment on Slicey until this point. Hypocrite/ignore much?

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Post Post #166 (ISO) » Mon Mar 16, 2009 3:30 pm

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So what happens since.. well nothing heppened. Its the deadline now.
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Post Post #167 (ISO) » Mon Mar 16, 2009 3:55 pm

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I don't think we're getting a deadline until the mod finds replacements.

I still want Shanba to answer my question and I still want IH to post thoughts on the game he replaced into.
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Post Post #168 (ISO) » Mon Mar 16, 2009 4:22 pm

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Corvuus wrote:I didn't ignore it. If you or anyone else says I did, then I will just post that you have ignored the lurkers/inactive/replacements as well, especially Dean, who despite saying it is correct mentality for someone who did L-1 vote, hasn't mentioned or made comment on Slicey until this point. Hypocrite/ignore much?
I wasn't the one posting about other people on the wagon. I was focusing on what others had to say. I might be somewhat of a hypocrite but that doesn't change the fact that no body else talked about Slicey either.
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Post Post #169 (ISO) » Mon Mar 16, 2009 4:27 pm

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freeko wrote:So what happens since.. well nothing heppened. Its the deadline now.
We pray JD forgets for a few more days. Or if he does glance in,
may we have a week extension after all replacements enter the game?


Outstanding actions so far:

Shanba
  • Attempted to pull out of RVS with theory discussion while still placing random votes (Dean at L-6, MizzMafia at L-3). I consider her vote on Mizz still within the RVS, since Shanba concluded that Mizz's play was not indicative of her alignment, thus making her chances of being scum random.

    Shanba, why did you slap your vote back on Dean a few pages after Mizz's wagon dissipated?
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  • Post more or we'll get another policy wagon going.
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  • Vote on Mizz is scummy. A replacement can solve an activity or experience deficit. Justifying a vote with either quality reads as an attempt to hop on a quicklynch with no regard to the target's alignment.
MissRin
  • L-6 vote on Mizz during the RVS. Opted to unvote once a bandwagon had formed. I have little else to say; reading her Cyrillic text gives me unpleasant LSD flashbacks.
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  • Aggressive, opportunistic play. As I said above, opting to lynch instead of replace in a small setup is scummy.
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    I'd probably also FoS Dean Harper since I extremely dislike it when players answer questions for other players
    Setting up peeves early is a tactic used to justify semi-policy cases later in the game. Do you have any reason to believe that chiming in to answer someone else's question is inherently scummy? Do you have any other reason to believe that Dean's eager response is scummy, besides its eager quality?
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  • No material. Random vote on Shanba, removed after RVS ended.
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  • I do not find Ruck's claim request scummy without links between him and another member of Mizz's wagon.
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  • Artem wrote: This statement comes up in many games but it's not true. I will flat out admit that I'm pressure-voting freeko right now, but I still expect him to address his poor reasons for a L-2 vote.
    I'm still not contented by this. Do you realize that an unstated pressure vote has the potential to garner more information than a stated pressure vote?
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  • L-4 on Mizz.
    Dean Harper wrote:I don't like how we almost hit a quicklynch during the course of one day... I will not unvote until I hear something from Mizz because she is out of danger as of now.
    Disconcerted by speedlynch, but unwilling to remove vote as a pressure gesture
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Post Post #170 (ISO) » Mon Mar 16, 2009 6:02 pm

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4 people have requested/need replacement at this point. I would like all players still able and willing to PM me whether they wish to continue.
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Post Post #171 (ISO) » Tue Mar 17, 2009 4:46 am

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Post Post #172 (ISO) » Tue Mar 17, 2009 5:06 am

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Hrm. Corvuus, I asked you about your main suspects because it always worries me when someone starts voting the people they are
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I don't like Dean Harper's play so far. Call it gut. Don't get the feeling he's scumhunting, more that he's lynch-hunting. freeko is such an easy wagon right now, and I don't feel that he's particularly scummy :S.

Artem, the two things were separate thoughts. Also, I worry about IH. He's a notorious flaker.
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Post Post #173 (ISO) » Wed Mar 18, 2009 2:11 pm

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Mrh. I've only gotten 3 responses, without having prodded anyone yet. All of them seem to be overwhelmingly leaning towards "I'll continue if everyone else wants to", which indicates to me that nobody really cares anymore. Truthfully, I've gotten enough data already, so...

The Idyllic Experiment has been officially halted.


This entire game was an experiment. The setup was 4 groups of 3 scum each, in an attempt to see pure scum motive in action, to determine whether a town is necessary as a driving force in mafia, and to see if an all-scum setup can be pulled off. All players were sent the same generic PM modified with their role name. Thank you all for participating. Let's hope that this game will lead to another breakthrough in mafia theory.
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Post Post #174 (ISO) » Wed Mar 18, 2009 3:11 pm

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I'd be interested in hearing who was in each group of 3.

I was scum with Seamus and Mizz.Mafia, both who never really existed.
I pretty much play this way regardless, but oh well.

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