Mini 148: Christmas Mafia! Game Over!


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Post Post #150 (ISO) » Sun Jan 23, 2005 2:45 pm

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Given the conditions, yes, it's a good idea.

If we do it, I think you should go first.

If we don't, I think you should claim anyways.
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Post Post #151 (ISO) » Sun Jan 23, 2005 4:32 pm

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MeMe wrote:I have no problem with claiming first.
Please would you clarify: are you only going to claim if everyone else says they will claim too?
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Post Post #152 (ISO) » Sun Jan 23, 2005 4:49 pm

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Um...I hadn't really thought about it. I assume that, in order to survive, I'll
need
to claim. But I'm finding the way the conversation's going interesting and I certainly don't think that it's necessary (or even a good idea) for me to claim before we hear everyone's opinions on what to do today as a whole. There's no reason for today to be a complete waste, even if it
does
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think that mass claiming is a good idea? If not, why not?
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Post Post #153 (ISO) » Mon Jan 24, 2005 2:56 pm

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MeMe wrote:Do the math: 7 people left. At least 3 of them scum. Not mass claiming at this point would be an
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weird plan for pro-town players.
Makes sense.
Whoa. WAIT. There's 8 people.

Why did you say there were 7 people, MeMe?
This is getting suspicious.
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Post Post #154 (ISO) » Mon Jan 24, 2005 3:11 pm

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There are 7 of us, Dmi - Flying Dutchman said 8 alive with 5 to lynch, but he must have miscounted.
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Post Post #155 (ISO) » Mon Jan 24, 2005 4:04 pm

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Dmi, shall I presume from the first line of your post that you agree with mass claiming? Or was that just the set-up for the rest of your post where you try to make me look ridiculous but wind up making yourself look...well...whatever?
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Post Post #156 (ISO) » Mon Jan 24, 2005 4:44 pm

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No, it was my spontaneous reaction.
So if FD got it wrong, then I'm in support of the mass claim.

For it to work, I think we need to set up some sort of order in which we claim, unless someone has an idea how to bring 7 people together at the same time to claim.
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Post Post #157 (ISO) » Mon Jan 24, 2005 7:33 pm

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From what I've seen of mass claims before, DMI, the correct order would be to start with Meme, then have her pick the next person, and that person pick the next person and so on and so forth.
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Post Post #158 (ISO) » Mon Jan 24, 2005 10:05 pm

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Mass claim... because we're in endgame? If everyone else is for it, I'm not against it.

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Post Post #159 (ISO) » Tue Jan 25, 2005 3:50 am

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Looks as though most are in agreement -- Xanthe hasn't specifically said so (but she hasn't said "no" either). Do we want to hear from DoomCow before commencing? Or shall I just
go
? And shall we start with just role names or do mechanics as well?
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Post Post #160 (ISO) » Tue Jan 25, 2005 7:02 am

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I'm all for the mass role claim. And I think it's best to give the role name and a basic idea of what it does. Not the exact details, but a basic description (like the Dog, doc or Weatherman/roleblocker)
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Post Post #161 (ISO) » Tue Jan 25, 2005 9:04 am

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Santa Claus - Cop

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Post Post #162 (ISO) » Tue Jan 25, 2005 11:21 am

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Candle - investigative mason

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Post Post #163 (ISO) » Tue Jan 25, 2005 11:33 am

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DJ - the guy who picks the Christmas songs for the morning posts. And no, I can't say which song I will choose.


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Post Post #164 (ISO) » Tue Jan 25, 2005 12:37 pm

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Snowman -- Crappeh Cop.

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Post Post #165 (ISO) » Tue Jan 25, 2005 1:04 pm

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Mailman. I deliver Christmas cards.

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Post Post #166 (ISO) » Tue Jan 25, 2005 2:18 pm

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What I do think is that doomcow -- being somewhat cleared -- should have been the one picking the order after meme. But whatever, it's too late to point it out.
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Post Post #167 (ISO) » Tue Jan 25, 2005 8:00 pm

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Child - part of the same masonry as DoomCow. Also, every night, I get to guess what the next song to be played in the morning is. If I get it right, I can't be lynched.

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Post Post #168 (ISO) » Wed Jan 26, 2005 3:40 am

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So, what now? HM has confirmed DoomCow's mason claim. Maybe the people claiming an investigative role should give their results?

Stewie - you're saying that you and the two deceased candles made up another mason group? I'd been thinking the candles were the equivalent of townies, since they don't have any role description in the List of the Dead.

I don't know for sure if anyone can confirm my role, but I think it's likely. The person I delivered a card to last night is alive and well, as is the sender, and my role PM makes it clear that I am an
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Post Post #169 (ISO) » Wed Jan 26, 2005 4:12 am

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My thoughts:

Dmi
- I tentatively believe it as he didn't comment on the "Santa Claus could be evil because of the song" theory suggested Day 1 and because he also tried to get the discussion turned from making too much of the appearance of the song. Also, confirmed by HM.
DoomCow
- obviously believe it; there's the possibility of a mixed mason group -- but should be a remote one in a mini game
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- what does "crappeh cop" mean?
HM
- works with Dmi's role and confirmable by DoomCow
Stewie
- No way. Two three-person mason groups? And one of the groups has investigative powers? Either this game is way unbalanced in our favor or Stewie's lying. We can't ask the other candles because they are, conveniently, dead -- and the death scene said nothing about them being masons (though Coron's scene specified
his
masonness). Since this is the most suspicious claim with three to four baddies in the mix, I say that Stewie's almost sure scum.
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- Should be provable - risky claim unless she's counting on fellow scum to back her up in saying they received cards from her (which, at this stage of the game, isn't out of the question).

I'll be voting Stewie unless anyone can give me a good reason not to.
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Post Post #170 (ISO) » Wed Jan 26, 2005 9:47 am

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Xanthe - Do your Christmas cards do anything?

Stewie - agreed. Don't believe your claim.

The rest are fine, if MeMe had claimed anything but cop, I would have been suspicious, but I figure there has to be one to accompany the doc.

With the large number of mason groups, I wouldn't be surprised if one of the family group were Mafia, actually

More about my role - I have a limited number of investigations, if I investigate more than I'm allowed (I don't know how many times I'm allowed to check, but I suspect it's three, since that seems like a logical number) I will melt since I have to go into houses to check them or whatever. DDDD:

I will
vote: Stewie
but I still want to hear from Xanthe, and maybe a confirmation from Doomcow.
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Post Post #171 (ISO) » Wed Jan 26, 2005 10:14 am

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What kind of confirmation are you looking for? That HairyMezican is indeed my son? If you chack back to when I claimed, I did say a third member was in the game.

From all claims, I have to agree that Stewie's is the least believable. I'm not sure what the candles were, but I'm betting they are just ordinary townies. A second mason is just to powerful in a mini. Let alone one with investigative powers. For that
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Post Post #172 (ISO) » Wed Jan 26, 2005 1:23 pm

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Here's how the candle works:

Each night, we could decide to light as many of us as we liked, but at least one of them is lit. The accuracy of the result would depend on how many of us were lit.

Here's the catch: being lit makes us, well, easy to see, even at night. So if one of us it killed at night, all other candles that lit up go with it. We are not very strong investigative-wise, since we would never risk it in a mini -- and we didn't. Both night one and two we made roland lit up. First night result hinted at 7 roles that had actions that night. Night 2, I was apparently so traumatized by the death of both my partners that I got no result.

Here's something else: Doomcow and Electra, what the hell? Aren't you even going to let me explain my role further? We did agree on vague after all. And are you going to let MeMe get away that easely? She was blocked, but apparently she got a result. MeMe, what did you get? I want to know everything.

And do you think I would have claimed mason with another three person mason that we are aware of unless I was telling the truth? Don't you think that I could have just claimed something too obious such as "elf - backup cop" instead, which would fit in nicely with meme's claim? Think. Why would I claim what I claimed under these circustances unless I were telling the truth?

And it appears that Dmi cannot tell the song he's going to choose. Can we choose one for you?

Now, who do I think is lying? MeMe and/or electra. I wouldn't be surprized if, with 2 mason groups, we did not have a cop.

And MeMe, first you say that we are dealing with at least 3 scum and now you say that you believe everyone else but me? Make up your mind.
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Post Post #173 (ISO) » Wed Jan 26, 2005 1:36 pm

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/////And do you think I would have claimed mason with another three person mason that we are aware of unless I was telling the truth? Don't you think that I could have just claimed something too obious such as "elf - backup cop" instead, which would fit in nicely with meme's claim? Think. Why would I claim what I claimed under these circustances unless I were telling the truth? ////////

This is the most convoluted If-I-were-mafia-why-would-I=have-done-this that I have ever heard. xD
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Post Post #174 (ISO) » Wed Jan 26, 2005 1:37 pm

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Stewie wrote:And MeMe, first you say that we are dealing with at least 3 scum and now you say that you believe everyone else but me? Make up your mind.
Luckily, I only have to spot one at a time, Stewie. But still, here is my post (edited down somewhat).
MeMe wrote:
Dmi
- I tentatively believe it...
DoomCow
- obviously believe it; there's the possibility of a mixed mason group...
Electra
- what does "crappeh cop" mean?...
HM
- works with Dmi's role and confirmable by DoomCow
Stewie
- Since this is the most suspicious claim with three to four baddies in the mix, I say that Stewie's almost sure scum....
Xanthe
- ...unless she's counting on fellow scum to back her up in saying they received cards from her (which, at this stage of the game, isn't out of the question).
I said your claim is the
most
suspicious and mentioned the possible holes in others' claims. Ah, the blanket statement...so easy to use, yet so scummy too!

And I don't buy your explanation of being "apparently" so traumatized by the deaths of your partners that you didn't get a result. You should have a
definite
explanation of what happened there. There's also the matter of you claiming that there are 3
more
pro-town roles that can confirm each other (in addition to the for-sure mason group that Night 1's death scene gave us) -- while your claimed partners didn't show up as masons or investigators in their death scene.

You've also had a couple of other weirdnesses today: saying "I didn't even imply" being against a mass claim (though you kinda did) and advising us way too late that DoomCow should've done the picking...well, you know. You look bad.

Who are
your
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