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Post Post #150 (ISO) » Wed Mar 29, 2006 5:15 pm

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Nothing has changed top of page...

Cannonball-coming! Vote Count

cropcircles (5) - Nazgul, raj, pwnz, fritzler, cropcircles

Nazgul (2) - CoolBot, Glork , Ibaesha

Not voting (2) - Beaker, PJ

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Post Post #151 (ISO) » Wed Mar 29, 2006 5:54 pm

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This game is stalling and cropcircles claimed a townie. His delay of a claim was the act of scum. I'm still suspicous of Nazgul, but wish to get a move on.

unvote: Nazgul
vote: cropcircles
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Post Post #152 (ISO) » Wed Mar 29, 2006 7:03 pm

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So tomorrow we're lynching CoolBot for not shouting "HAMMAH!!" when he Hammah'd.


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Post Post #153 (ISO) » Wed Mar 29, 2006 7:36 pm

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Post Post #154 (ISO) » Thu Mar 30, 2006 3:26 am

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LYNCH SCENE!


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was a little late to his tee time today (he was hung over). You all assumed he overslept because murdering is tiring business, yo. Nazgul, raj, pwnz, Fritzler begin beating him with golf clubs. Cropcircles takes a noose out of his pocket and asks for the beating to end.

"Sure. I didn't like you anyway," says CoolBot.

"Yeah! And what's that smell?" The others say.

You drag cropcircles to the ballroom and string him up by his own noose. As his lifeless body dangles from the rafters, you take note of his clothing: rainbow pants, a white belt, and green polo shirt with massive sweat stains. His eyes bulge out more than usual. He was:

Al Czervik, Millionaire Social Director/Townie, lynched D1
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Post Post #155 (ISO) » Sat Apr 01, 2006 4:42 am

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BUMPED for the speedbump.
Talk nerdy to me.

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Post Post #156 (ISO) » Sat Apr 01, 2006 2:53 pm

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WAKE UP SUNSHINE!


Last night, like every night,
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Fritzler was having a sweet time when one of them tried to chop his balls off. Fritzler wasn’t about to fall for that one again, so he quickly fought off the attack.

He was not so lucky with the second attack. Even though he was a baller and totally kicked ass, he still got his face eaten off.


Fritzler - Judge Smails (Funsucker/ Roleblocker) – Mauled Night 2


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Post Post #157 (ISO) » Sat Apr 01, 2006 2:56 pm

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:(
Surfs up dude.
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Post Post #158 (ISO) » Sat Apr 01, 2006 3:03 pm

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Ah, looks like I can finally vote.

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-Douse with Jack Daniels and Light on Fire = ? (Mafia)
-Cut Balls Off (?!) = Lacey Underall? (Mafia)
-Maul and Eat Face Off = Gopher (SK)

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Post Post #159 (ISO) » Sat Apr 01, 2006 3:50 pm

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Vote: RAJ


I don't like the way he mongered the Cropcircles lynch.

I still want to hear some quality input form Nazgul, too.
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Post Post #160 (ISO) » Sat Apr 01, 2006 4:07 pm

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Checking in.

I won't be voting for PJ today. Even if he's wrong.
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Post Post #161 (ISO) » Sat Apr 01, 2006 11:32 pm

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Interesting: Fritzler apparently correctly identified one mafia member, given his successful block. If we can reconstruct his line if thinking, we should be able to get there as well.

In his place, I would look first at the other Cropcircles voters: Nazgul, raj, pwnz, and Coolbot. So it seems a reasonable bet that it is one of these. I know I'm innocent, but of course I should be in the list of suspects.

I'm inclined to vote Coolbot, because of his reasoning in post 151 - why the rush?
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Post Post #162 (ISO) » Sun Apr 02, 2006 12:20 am

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Wow.
Heavy FoS: Nazgul
.

Firstly, I don't think Fritzler identified a Mafia member at all. He was targeted by two people last night: a "ball cutter" (presumably Mafia) and a "face mauler" (presumable SK Gopher).

Secondly, your taking yourself out of the Cropcircles lynchers (after so heavily pursuing it yesterday) is disturbing. There is no way you can dissociate yourself from it at this point.

Thirdly, your saying that Coolbot is rushing strikes me as off. Dare I point out your (few) posts where you continuously vote for Cropcircles? I think I will.
Nazgul wrote:I noticed Cropcircles posting in another thread in the forum today, but still nothing here. Looks like an attempt to lurk to me.
Pointing out Cropcircles’ “lurking”…
Nazgul wrote:your continued defence of cropcircles is duely noted... My vote stays on cropcircles.
This in response to Coolbot’s
defense
of Cropcircles (who, by the way, turned out to be
innocent
).
Nazgul wrote:So, Coolbot, are you now going to pressurize your buddy cropcircles into claiming? or do you have double standards?
Asking Coolbot to vote for Cropcircles… funny how you find him suspicious today after he had first refused to vote for Cropcircles...
Nazgul wrote:Anyway, I'm sticking to my vote. People who vote for themselves in a situation like this can hardly be on our side.
Again, showing a willingness to lynch Cropcircles.

Now suddenly:
Nazgul wrote:In his [Fritzler’s] place, I would look first at the other Cropcircles voters: Nazgul, raj, pwnz, and Coolbot. So it seems a reasonable bet that it is one of these. I know I'm innocent, but of course I should be in the list of suspects.

I'm inclined to vote Coolbot, because of his reasoning in post 151 - why the rush?
So now the voters on Cropcircles are suspect, and you claim innocence. You then ask Coolbot what the rush is: I think that is entirely stupid. You push for Cropcircles the entire day, and then when somebody lays down the hammer (after actually waiting for a claim, so the worst we could possibly do was a lynch a townie anyways) you criticize the people who voted for the same person you pushed.

Nazgul, you have not contributed very much to this game other than the pushing and eventual lynching of an innocent, and now you are using faulty logic to try to incriminate another player who would visibly have rather voted somebody else. The one time you were called out for not contributing (by me), you responded instead by telling me to look at other non-contributors (Beaker), which is not a response nor a contribution. You should have plenty to respond with after this post, however, and I fully expect one.
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Post Post #163 (ISO) » Sun Apr 02, 2006 2:50 am

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Wow indeed.
elvis_knits wrote: Fritzler was having a sweet time when one of them tried to chop his balls off. Fritzler wasn’t about to fall for that one again, so he quickly fought off the attack.

He was not so lucky with the second attack. Even though he was a baller and totally kicked ass, he still got his face eaten off.
How else would you interpret this than that the role blocker Fritzler blocked on of his attackers?
petroleumjelly wrote:Secondly, your taking yourself out of the Cropcircles lynchers (after so heavily pursuing it yesterday) is disturbing. There is no way you can dissociate yourself from it at this point.
WTF are you talking about? My exact words, underlined for convenience, were "In his place, I would look first at the other Cropcircles voters:
Nazgul
, raj, pwnz, and Coolbot. So it seems a reasonable bet that it is one of these. I know I'm innocent, but of course I should be in the list of suspects. "
Nazgul, you have not contributed very much to this game other than the pushing and eventual lynching of an innocent...
You have me there. In contrast to all other players who have performed brilliantly, pointed out scum and led town to victory.
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Post Post #164 (ISO) » Sun Apr 02, 2006 2:52 am

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Preview... preview...

Fritz blocked on
e
of his attackers. And bolded, not underlined, for convenience.
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Post Post #165 (ISO) » Sun Apr 02, 2006 7:50 am

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Elvis_Knits wrote:Fritzler was having a sweet time when one of them tried to chop his balls off. Fritzler wasn’t about to fall for that one again, so he quickly fought off the attack.

He was not so lucky with the second attack. Even though he was a baller and totally kicked ass, he still got his face eaten off.
Fine, I can see how you might interpret that as Fritzler being able to role-block one of his attackers. I still disagree. I have rarely seen Mods come out and show a role-blocking like this: most Mods, when dealing with a double-kill, show the attacked as surviving a first attack but succumbing to the second. For example, please look at Survivor Mafia, where on Night One, Harry Potter (Jeff Varner) "survived" an attack from a machete only to have his head hacked off. Most Mods simply allow the player to "survive" in order to show that the player was attacked twice. If Fritzler had correctly role-blocked the "ball-cutter", I am positive that we never would have seen a double attempt on Fritzler's life.

And this:
Nazgul wrote:You have me there. In contrast to all other players who have performed brilliantly, pointed out scum and led town to victory.
Is not helpful whatsoever. You are not responding, but instead leaving wry comments about the rest of the town.

Further, my comment that you were "taking yourself out of Cropcircles' lynchers" was indeed not worded in the best possible manner: I simply meant that you immediately called yourself innocent after pointing out the people on Cropcircles.

Further, I see that you have not responded as to your position on Coolbot. You pushed Coolbot to vote for Cropcircles Day One, and after he did, you are now criticizing him.
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Post Post #166 (ISO) » Sun Apr 02, 2006 8:32 am

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vote: Nazgul


As I said at the end of Day 1, I'm still suspicous of him. Nothing that's happened since has changed that. In fact, with his attempt to pin cropcircle's lynch on me when others, most of all him, were on the wagon as well, I'm a bit more confident he's scum.
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Post Post #167 (ISO) » Sun Apr 02, 2006 9:02 am

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petroleumjelly wrote:Most Mods simply allow the player to "survive" in order to show that the player was attacked twice. If Fritzler had correctly role-blocked the "ball-cutter", I am positive that we never would have seen a double attempt on Fritzler's life.
i agree. but this is elvis first game so it will be hard to compare with other modding attempts.

intresting to take yourself off the lanch wagon.

and to comment on the lynch. crop deserved it, he didnt even try claiming his name. if your a town acting scummy then you are just as bad as scum.
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Post Post #168 (ISO) » Sun Apr 02, 2006 11:54 am

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ibaesha wrote:Checking in.

I won't be voting for PJ today. Even if he's wrong.
Hmmm? Sharp contrast from your behavior yesterday...


I'm still not liking either RAJ or Nazgul. Combination of hunches and reasons already stated (by both myself and others). And the fact that I have yet to see a satisfactory logical explanation or defense from either of them.
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Post Post #169 (ISO) » Sun Apr 02, 2006 4:45 pm

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I HAVE INTERNET BACK!!!

and Glork, tell me what to defend.

Crop was a good lynch. he wasnt helping the town at all.
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Post Post #170 (ISO) » Sun Apr 02, 2006 5:09 pm

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First: Crop didn't not contribute, and he wasn't not helping the town. His first post, which you call "the most worthless post" you've ever seen, gave an explanation of why Beaker would vote for the mod and a firm opinion that he felt the Beakerwagon was a horrible idea. I think that's about as productive as a player could've gotten for the 26th post of the game. Did you really expect him to have some grand insight that quickly into Day One? I doubt it.

You voted him because he voted for Nazgul -- which, considering it was his first post/vote, and we had just started Page 2, was not necessarily expected to be completely serious/legit in nature. You overlooked this fact, whether intentionally or naively. Either way, you should have recognized this fact and backed off, and you didn't.

You also maintained that he was continuing to be worthless, defending a bandwagon that you started over a single post. I can't believe that you felt you were catching scum based on that one post, and I don't buy the whole "he was a good lynch because he wasn't contributing" bit.

I strongly feel that you intentionally misrepresented Cropcircles. He explained that his "confession to lurking" was absurd, since were were barely one RL day into the game, and a lurker hunt that quickly is ridiculous. I agree. Yet you seem to have conveniently ignored this fact. You continued to attack Crop, forcing him to defend himself over and over again, then accused him of being nonproductive on these grounds. I just get the impression that you were leading him on, setting him up to his own lynch so that you could be "justified" or "right" in that his lynch was a good one. You also supported his self-voting for expediency's sake -- something that I've already said I think is never a good thing for a townie to do.

Like I said... you were mongering his lynch throughout the day, starting barely one RL day and one page into the game. I don't think your intentions were one bit legitimate. That's why my vote is on you.
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Post Post #171 (ISO) » Sun Apr 02, 2006 6:27 pm

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No townie lynch should ever be considered a "good lynch". He did try to defend himself and even claimed but it was a little bit too late.
I personally would like to encourage a vote on Beaker. He has posted once in the past 5 pages of text, and I would like to hear what he thinks about the game and how it is going.
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Post Post #172 (ISO) » Sun Apr 02, 2006 6:29 pm

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pwnz wrote:I personally would like to encourage a vote on Beaker.
Then why aren't you voting for Beaker? [/smartass answer]
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Post Post #173 (ISO) » Mon Apr 03, 2006 3:20 am

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Quick PBPA on Nazgul

8: random voting

41: beakerwagon (for voting the mod) is same as other wagons

48:
unvote, and starts lurker hunting, less than a day and 50 posts in

87: notes coolbot’s defense of cropcircles, then leaves his vote on cropcircles

101
: references PJ voting him for lurking, then tries to push suspicion onto me

107: trying to pressure coolbot into pressuring cropcircles for a claim

143: says cropcircles voting for himself = scum

161
: says that we need to go after the cropcircles voters, saying that he wanted to vote coolbot for putting down the hammer, when he was one of the people pushing for the final vote (see 143)

163
: speculation on the nightkill of fritz, and becomes overdefensive in response to PJ’s claiming that Naz removed himself from the suspicion from the cropcircles lynch

164: quick edit

so, for the overall analysis
1. pushing for the lynch of cropcircles, because of lurking
2. trying to push suspicion anywhere but himself
3. contradicting 143 with 161, first looking for the final vote on cropcircles, then saying that he would vote Coolbot for putting the final vote on
4. overdefensiveness in 163

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Post Post #174 (ISO) » Mon Apr 03, 2006 3:31 am

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Glork wrote:You voted him because he voted for Nazgul -- which, considering it was his first post/vote, and we had just started Page 2, was not necessarily expected to be completely serious/legit in nature. You overlooked this fact, whether intentionally or naively. Either way, you should have recognized this fact and backed off, and you didn't.
since the day started an was already moving i still think that making a random vote at that stage of the game was counter productive to finding scum.

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