Curious as to why Z only answered VE's concern and not mine.
Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 10:17 pm
by Z7-852
In post 1521, VisceraEyes wrote:You admit that your case against me is nothing but "small things". You're inventing a narrative that fits with your opinion. Why don't you read my filter again and see if you can argue that I've given no reasoning for my votes.
When I don't get any other information I have to rely on the small things. I can ignore one or two suspicous things but when they are starting to form a pattern it's enough reason for me to declare someone to be a scum. At let us see your votes so far in the game.
Spoiler: VisceraEyes votes
First vote on me (#702) you gave a case. Good for you.
When this fell apart you voted Mac (#926) on bases that player was lurking in the early game. This is a quite slim case.
Third vote on Eye urn (#1130) was based again on passivity. This is "small things" that you don't seem to be reason enough to declare anyone a scum.
Fourth vote (#1273) was without any reason. You had gave some suspicions earlier but lot had happened since.
Fifth vote (#1437) again without a solid case.
Sixth vote (#1454). Don't like my play style but don't specify why. I was scumhunting but not in same place as you so that's not a reason.
Seventh vote (#1483) was completely random. One critic on you and you snapped. This was interesting because you drew you vote off so fast.
For Mac (#1522) it wasn't just lurking. It that you haven't given any original content since dawn of day 2. And even then it was minimal.
I'am sorry goodmorning (#1525) but I must have missed you concerns.
Sorry but still can't see them. You first defended your vote what is ok. And the point of the sarcasm is lost to me.
Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 3:05 am
by goodmorning
You claim I'm not scumhunting. I'm saying I've found Scum.
Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 3:10 am
by Z7-852
But I haven't claimed that you are not scumhunting. VisceraEyes accused me of not scumhunting and I stated that I have been doing it but focusing on other players than Eye Urn.
Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 3:16 am
by fferyllt
Mac. He mostly floats above the fray.
Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 3:26 am
by goodmorning
In post 1530, Z7-852 wrote:But I haven't claimed that you are not scumhunting.
In 1517: "She have been posting uninformative posts"
In 1189: "isn't really focusing on the game", "She doesn't even bother to write down her logic anymore."
Speaking of things, I don't think you ever answered ff's question about why you think a VE/gm scumteam would make sense.
Not that it's not a maybe-scumtell, but that's kind of his playstyle when he's preoccupied IRL, which I believe he has been recently.
Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 5:03 am
by Mac
In post 1526, Z7-852 wrote:
For Mac (#1522) it wasn't just lurking. It that you haven't given any original content since dawn of day 2. And even then it was minimal.
Why didn't you say that in your original post? I'm feeling a bit better than I was when d2 started, I admit I was lurking abit because I tend to make little sense when ill. The thing I am curious about is the way I question why you have VE as scum and possible VE/GM scum team, and you say I'm asking for reads whilst not providing my own. That's me asking you to clarify your reads, and I think there's a difference.
Have to say, I'm a little suspicious about GiF and leaning scum on him now; he hasn't done anything town-like recently. He hopped on some misrep on my post, and then quickly retreated when he realised it wasn't going to work. It kinda looked like forced content, and he went onto admit he wasn't doing much in the game.
Eye still not contributing;
mod, can we get a prod/replacement/somethingtostopusgoingcrazy on Eye?
I don't understand why he has flaked, has he been around elsewhere?
fferyll is pretty much obvtown to me atm.
VE... well I thought he was town until he voted Z7 & then sided with Z7 to vote GM which I found completely baffling. He thinks Z is scum, and then turns around and votes GM with him? Further interesting point, GM calls him out on this and he removes it in the next post.
GM I think is town. her recent post which appreciated that I have some RL shit going down pretty much confirmed it too me that she was playing as objectively as possibly and considering all angles. This could be construed as buddying but her accusation of such towards me earlier makes me think she wouldn't do it back. unless it's some elaborate double bluff, but I think I could possibly recognise areas of her scum game.
And I really don't know where I lie with Z at the moment.
mod, can we get a prod/replacement/somethingtostopusgoingcrazy on Eye?
I don't understand why he has flaked, has he been around elsewhere?
He's definitely siteflaked.
GM I think is town. her recent post which appreciated that I have some RL shit going down pretty much confirmed it too me that she was playing as objectively as possibly and considering all angles. This could be construed as buddying but her accusation of such towards me earlier makes me think she wouldn't do it back. unless it's some elaborate double bluff, but I think I could possibly recognise areas of her scum game.
Or I could just be stalking you.
Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 5:13 am
by Mac
I wouldn't mind either way.
Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 7:01 am
by VisceraEyes
##Vote; Mac
Because I'm getting impatient and Mac is my best guess outside of Eye Urn. Because Eye Urn is set to be replaced, my vote goes on Mac until we get content from replacement.
Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 8:16 am
by fferyllt
Posts of Fropome's that really stick out as town to me.
2642 volunteers info about his first and (so far) only completed scum game as a cautionary tale about town lurking. I really can't see a scum motivation for sharing that.
167 One of his reads. This showed some original thought IMO. I disagreed with parts of it. The one thing that stands out to me (and only if the slot is scum) is that he had Revenus as null. Given where he learned mafia, I could see him doing that to a scum buddy if he's scum. BUT I don't think he's scum.
239 This is pure annoyed-with-perceived-dishonesty Fropome. In discussion/debate outside mafia he has no patience for it. I hadn't seen him post like this in a mafia game before, but I've expected it, given his overall posting style.
241 Reacts to my call-out about his play not displaying much paranoia about me at that point. Fits his logic in other games, though in the past he'd been more vocal about worrying about my alignment.
326 Uses the word "please". It inserts some distance. I read this as his paranoia on a slow boil. Given that I had called him out earlier, I could see him posting something paranoid if he were scum. That one word, though, would not be what I'd expect - I'd expect something reasoned. Posting this first, before outlining what was bugging him in latere comes off very genuine. It's not how scum Fropome would plan his attack IMO.
328 Source of the paranoia - I backed down too quickly on GM in his opinion. 329 analyzes the heck out of my play so far and more detail about what he found iffy in my play (not visibly reacting to a GM post that tweaked his scumdar)
446 responds to my explanation for backing off GM. agrees with most of my points. Then unvotes GM before disappearing and eventually being replaced.
Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 8:50 am
by TraceyLyn11
VOTE COUNT 2.3
[L-3] Z7-852: (goodmorning)
[L-4] fferyllt:
[L-3] Mac: (VisceraEyes)
[L-4] Eye Urn:
[L-4] VisceraEyes:
[L-4] GuyInFreezer:
[L-3] goodmorning: (Z7-852)
Not Voting:
4 (fferyllt, Mac, Eye Urn, GuyInFreezer)
With seven alive, it takes four to lynch.
Day Two's deadline: May 16, 2013 CST or in (expired on 2013-05-16 15:30:00).
mod, can we get a prod/replacement/somethingtostopusgoingcrazy on Eye?
Sorry, kiddies. Gotta wait forty-eight hours before I'll replace. There's still about twenty-eight hours to go.
Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 2:46 pm
by fferyllt
In post 1501, VisceraEyes wrote:feryl I'm not asking you to explain why you DON'T think Frop is scum, I'm asking you to show me why you think Frop is town. I'm not asking you to prove a negative, I'm asking you to prove a positive (I think).
Because I'm getting impatient and Mac is my best guess outside of Eye Urn. Because Eye Urn is set to be replaced, my vote goes on Mac until we get content from replacement.
ha ha ha. you went from Eye>Gm>Mac? Where's your consistency?
Posted: Wed May 01, 2013 9:07 am
by Mac
And you could probably through Z in there too I think?
Because I'm getting impatient and Mac is my best guess outside of Eye Urn. Because Eye Urn is set to be replaced, my vote goes on Mac until we get content from replacement.
ha ha ha. you went from Eye>Gm>Mac?
Where's your consistency?
I don't need consistency. I've got my vote. Is on you.
Posted: Wed May 01, 2013 10:58 am
by goodmorning
I must say that consistency in the lack of certainty is not necessarily a Town thing.
Posted: Wed May 01, 2013 12:41 pm
by VisceraEyes
It's not necessarily a scum thing either is it Ms. IC?
Posted: Wed May 01, 2013 12:44 pm
by goodmorning
Quite so.
Posted: Wed May 01, 2013 1:08 pm
by VisceraEyes
Quite so what? Are you saying that being unsure of your reads is a scum thing? Is that the awfulness you're trying to inject into this thread?
