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In post 1558, Dumb and Dumber wrote:i think the simplest explanation for how eod1 happened is that both MURDERKITTY and gamma are scum. if gamma is town there's at least one scum in {other dnd, gc, and yyotta iirc}

~ skitteR

In post 1558, Dumb and Dumber wrote:i think the simplest explanation for how eod1 happened is that both MURDERKITTY and gamma are scum. if gamma is town there's at least one scum in {other dnd, gc, and yyotta iirc}

~ skitteR

In post 1557, Daenerys and Dragons wrote:I think that’s supposed to be me - in which case: I think I’m pretty far out of my scumrange, I was scumreading gamma for what felt like incredibly bad faith responses to me, infinity should also be in the elimpool given how skittish he was of murder wagon until the end, and I highly doubt that both other scum were on gamma at eod, especially given that... I know I’m town.

- Daenerys

In post 1560, Daenerys and Dragons wrote:

In post 1558, Dumb and Dumber wrote:i think the simplest explanation for how eod1 happened is that both MURDERKITTY and gamma are scum. if gamma is town there's at least one scum in {other dnd, gc, and yyotta iirc}

~ skitteR

inclined to agree except I think gamma town -> scum!gc fairly definitively. and obviously I’m town

- Daenerys

In post 1560, Daenerys and Dragons wrote:

In post 1558, Dumb and Dumber wrote:i think the simplest explanation for how eod1 happened is that both MURDERKITTY and gamma are scum. if gamma is town there's at least one scum in {other dnd, gc, and yyotta iirc}

~ skitteR

inclined to agree except I think gamma town -> scum!gc fairly definitively. and obviously I’m town

- Daenerys

In post 802, Gamma Emerald wrote:Also can someone come up with a good reason for MCat being scum or is this just because he’s not a TR yet
I feel like most games MCat gets pressed early as town

In post 984, Gamma Emerald wrote:VOTE: not_mafia
wynaut

In post 994, Gamma Emerald wrote:

In post 985, PenguinPower wrote:Because murdercat is a much better wagon and an nm wagon is the epitome of lazy voting.

what about murdercat
you guys are probably way off base on him, he very often gets wagoned early like this as town rather than as scum
how can I not see the votes on murdercat as just a little bit lazy

In post 1019, Gamma Emerald wrote:

In post 1012, Daenerys and Dragons wrote:Very conflicted. I think his posting isolated is very scummy but I also can buy his excuse that he was burned out by the BooneyToonz game and I did like his post where he cased Penguin. Would yeet in lack of other better wagons.

Here’s the thing: you ALSO saw what happened in Among Us. Tell me Murder’s play/reception differs from that game at all.

In post 1024, Gamma Emerald wrote:If you believe me about murdercat being a miselim why do you think I’m scum?

In post 1026, Gamma Emerald wrote:MURDERCAT [6, E-3] outworldER, Akarin, xRECKONERx, alisae, sircakez, battle mage (thegoldenparadox)
The only scum on this in that game, SirCakez, voted around the middle of what was need to lim
NM is in the same place if murdercat is a miselim this game
So like, how is my NM vote bad given that?

In post 1036, Gamma Emerald wrote:I don’t think murdercat’s play is substantially different from that game/any of his other town games, and the fact he’s getting early pressure to this degree tells me he’s town
In booneytoonz XV I recall there was a D1 wagon on him but it was rather short-lived
Meanwhile like, every other town game I’ve seen from him he’s been rather suspected. So imo the trend is “if murdercat gets sussed a lot early he is town”

In post 1042, Gamma Emerald wrote:BTXV just finished
So saying Murdercat still has 1 scumgame is a critical logic failure bordering on misrepresentation

In post 1043, Gamma Emerald wrote:

In post 1040, Daenerys and Dragons wrote:hey penguin wanna join the juicy gamma wagon?

- Daenerys

You know what, do it. I fucking DARE you.

In post 1044, Gamma Emerald wrote:No one is bothering to honestly engage with me here so I’ll just let my flip speak for itself

In post 1047, Gamma Emerald wrote:I’ve tried to respond but I’m not getting any feeling that YOU actually care for what I’m saying.

In post 1049, Gamma Emerald wrote:And not to mention the fact you’re using a blatantly outdated point

In post 1054, Gamma Emerald wrote:

In post 1050, Daenerys and Dragons wrote:

Gamma Emerald wrote:No one is bothering to honestly engage with me here so I’ll just let my flip speak for itself

what a misrep. I asked you questions about the murder wagon.

In post 1038, Daenerys and Dragons wrote:If you think murder is town, then are people being actively opportunistic about wagoning him? What do you think about penguin convincing dumb&dumber to vote back on murder after auro voted NM for lolz?

and your response is to pretend that I’m not engaging with you?

- Daenerys

I kinda felt like I addressed that in another post
I don’t particularly feel like many scum are on murdercat, otherwise I wouldn’t be debating like this, I’d just lim the scum. But I feel like outside of Cakez and infinity, NM is the only one here who should have a decent idea of how murdercat is, but he just lazily voted murder

In post 1055, Gamma Emerald wrote:

In post 1053, PenguinPower wrote:

In post 1049, Gamma Emerald wrote:And not to mention the fact you’re using a blatantly outdated point

In post 1042, Gamma Emerald wrote:BTXV just finished

In post 1049, Gamma Emerald wrote:blatantly outdated point

In post 1042, Gamma Emerald wrote:just finished

By how I was acting you should have been able to infer I was referring to a recently completed game.
I’m beginning to suspect you’re scum and really not interacting in good faith here at all.

In post 1059, Gamma Emerald wrote:

@MURDERCAT

what did you mean by “your one scum game”?
I feel like depending on this I have a solid binary of where scum is.
UNVOTE: because straight up stating NM is not involved in that binary

In post 1060, Gamma Emerald wrote:

In post 1057, Daenerys and Dragons wrote:

In post 1054, Gamma Emerald wrote:

In post 1050, Daenerys and Dragons wrote:

Gamma Emerald wrote:No one is bothering to honestly engage with me here so I’ll just let my flip speak for itself

what a misrep. I asked you questions about the murder wagon.

In post 1038, Daenerys and Dragons wrote:If you think murder is town, then are people being actively opportunistic about wagoning him? What do you think about penguin convincing dumb&dumber to vote back on murder after auro voted NM for lolz?

and your response is to pretend that I’m not engaging with you?

- Daenerys

I kinda felt like I addressed that in another post
I don’t particularly feel like many scum are on murdercat, otherwise I wouldn’t be debating like this, I’d just lim the scum. But I feel like outside of Cakez and infinity, NM is the only one here who should have a decent idea of how murdercat is, but he just lazily voted murder

Are you under the impression that NM does anything not lazily?
Why do you think he should “know how murdercat is” and that this is town!murder?

- Daenerys

He was in a game where town!murdercat was limmed D1

In post 1062, Gamma Emerald wrote:And honestly the biggest issue I fucking have is that MURDERCAT GETS TOWNIER AS THE GAME PROGRESSES AS TOWN. ELIMINATING HIM EARLY IS LEGITIMATELY SHIT PLAY.

In post 1064, Gamma Emerald wrote:not anymore
I s2g do you fuckers have any reading comprehension at all?

In post 1066, Gamma Emerald wrote:

In post 1059, Gamma Emerald wrote:

@MURDERCAT

what did you mean by “your one scum game”?
I feel like depending on this I have a solid binary of where scum is.
UNVOTE: because straight up stating NM is not involved in that binary

In post 1059, Gamma Emerald wrote:UNVOTE: because straight up stating NM is not involved in that binary

like holy shit how dense are you?????

In post 1071, Gamma Emerald wrote:Here's the thing: I legitimately don't actively solve early unless driven by emotions or something. I do this for three reasons: I'm lazy, it helps get through the most active stages of larger games where trying to keep up is nigh impossible, and it lowers my NK worth. That last point wasn't always a reason for it but after mini 2173 I realized I actually had enough impact to get NKed over reputation versus my play in that game, so now I deliberately sandbag to try to get farther, which I'm sure you've seen other players do. Flavor Leaf and mastina might be the leading names in that regard for me, though idrk if the latter qualifies. But the point is the fact I haven't been actively searching for scum is part of how I play these days, but atp I'm pissed off enough to switch to active mode.

In post 1073, Gamma Emerald wrote:

In post 1070, PenguinPower wrote:

In post 1062, Gamma Emerald wrote:And honestly the biggest issue I fucking have is that MURDERCAT GETS TOWNIER AS THE GAME PROGRESSES AS TOWN. ELIMINATING HIM EARLY IS LEGITIMATELY SHIT PLAY.

And my issue is you can't say that he doesn't as scum so it's nai. Stop relying solely on meta for which you don't have an established comparison.

it's bad.

Actually BTXV showed he really doesn't get townier as time passes in scumgames. He was wagoned in 7p and 5p limlo, predominantly by town iirc.
So no, I have an example of the converse, try again smartass.

In post 1092, Gamma Emerald wrote:

In post 1090, Daenerys and Dragons wrote:

In post 1084, Infinity 324 wrote:

In post 1074, Daenerys and Dragons wrote:@infinity
catboi’s post sums up most of it I think, have you read and responded to this?

Actually just looked at your ISO and you don’t seem to have mentioned this post at all, which is interesting because this is probably the biggest scumcase on murder so far, and you seemingly hard townread this slot before catboi replaced in. Is there a reason you haven’t responded to catboi on murder or engaged with catboi at all?

- Daenerys

I read the post, it didn't really do anything for me. Most of it is like, murder is making lazy pushes and reasoning because he's kinda being lazy this game. If you're interested I can respond to it in more depth

I don’t really need a response to the points in particular.

I find the argument “murder could be lazy as town” to just be not very appealing. Like, anyone can be lazy as town. They can also just be scum. Yall are saying murder is lazy!town here. Gamma says he’s lazy!town. NM is lazy as both alignments. Everyone else is putting in effort. who do we elim then if everyone suspicious just says they’re being lazy town? there needs to be a line drawn somewhere. as a side note, I also intensely dislike the concept of sandbagging on principle. like, just play the game you signed up for. if you plan to not play the game, then don’t come crying when you get pressured for it.

you say let’s wagon NM but that is the easiest elimination of all time. I’m not concerned about deepwolf!NM. I am concerned about other players skating by because “oh they’re just lazy town.” like if NM is where the wagon ends up, fine, but I think that’s an absolute last resort. there are three scum, so I’m going to keep trying to figure out who the team is. both you and gamma do not seem to care that there would be two other scum.

- Daenerys

yes, there are three scum
atm I don't think murdercat is any of them
NM could be, so could others but I haven't probed for them yet
I don't like the way you try to act like because there's three scum it invalidates our concerns about the murdercat lim and those pushing it

In post 1105, Gamma Emerald wrote:

In post 1096, Green Crayons wrote:

In post 1094, Gamma Emerald wrote:If you look at how murdercat got through all of those games you'll see a very consistent trend of town!murdercat getting pushed early and/or often

but see:

In post 1070, PenguinPower wrote:And my issue is you can't say that he doesn't as scum so it's nai. Stop relying solely on meta for which you don't have an established comparison.

I'm saying your perspective on murdercat is way smaller than mine or infinity's, and as such you should listen to what I'm saying, which is to give him time since he becomes stronger as town further along in the game, and I think based on how things have developed he is town
I'm not just metaing murdercat, I'm metaing the scenario

In post 1106, Gamma Emerald wrote:

In post 1098, Infinity 324 wrote:Yeah I do wish he would post more since he said he would be, but is leaving the thread and "hoping the wagon dissipates" something scum actually do ever? Idk

Infinity I'm concerned you have to ask this question.

In post 1118, Gamma Emerald wrote:

In post 1109, Infinity 324 wrote:I actually don't remember a time when scum has lurked out a wagon hoping it dissipates, but maybe there's been a time where it happened and I though the scum was just demotivated or something

It just seems like a very dumb thing to do and I don't think that's really how wagons work, maybe in larges idk

that's
what I used to do

In post 1428, Gamma Emerald wrote:VOTE: murdercat
I'd prefer to let him town up if he's town but he's not really trying atp, plus I have unresolved concerns of my own from early on.

In post 1439, Gamma Emerald wrote:

In post 1436, Green Crayons wrote:

In post 1428, Gamma Emerald wrote:plus I have unresolved concerns of my own from early on

can you please point me in the direction of these concerns?

I'm being lazy

didn't like how he was talking about mech stuff early
it felt like he was crutching on that to get TRed

In post 1568, Dumb and Dumber wrote:like i can unvote in good faith to let u get acclimated but your slot is my best bet rn

~ skitteR