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she's hotly disputed
do you think Alch is a wolf or are you uncomfortable with me being confident on the read?

Looking more at alch, my big issue with him recently is he seems to be playing in such a way that his thought process is heavily obfuscated.

e.g. 1441, where when asked why he thinks i should be the lynch, he cites "a lot of people" thinking i've been manipulative, and then cites those people without giving any original thoughts of his own.
e.g. 1447, where I asked him about his change on bins, and he mentions that his discussion with bins made him stop leaning towards her but that discussion was presumably 918, and he mentioned thinking bins was still his primary suspect more recently than that and i really have no idea if he's town where his thought process on the two of us is coming from. It seems like he's just picking someone to be the person that he wants to push out of convenience.

Funny thing is that your buddying of bins was an original thought of mine. I said something first and bins saw it too. I’ve had a lot of original thoughts that are there for anyone who wants to ISO me. I just don’t like repeating myself so that’s why the explanation to Zito was short and sweet.

In post 1445, implosion wrote:"trying to pocket bins"
woe is me for giving a townread

"casually dismiss her posts"
woe is me for describing why her arguments against me are wrong; like, 551 and the other responses I've given to her points are hardly casual.

In post 1446, implosion wrote:Also weren't you the head of the Bins Is Scum club like, five minutes ago? Where is this "implosion is scum because bins caught him pocketing her" coming from?

Implosion keeps trying to shoot down my push on him. Don’t let him fool you guys into thinking he’s Town here.

In post 1578, Alchemist21 wrote:Implosion keeps trying to shoot down my push on him.

yes
only scum want to do this, absolutely

fair and I found his thought process fairly obfuscated the last time we played together as well (he was scum and deepwoofed, my hydra p and I quickly agreed my concerns abt him didn't matter in the bigger picture my bad)

I'm concerned that it's more of a matter of playstyle than intentional obfuscation but I'll admit this is a pretty flimsy defence. His presence and posting in this game are a lot more substantial and provocative and momentous than they were last time but this also isn't a reason to townread him heavily

I think my read is more anti scumtells than outright town

pedit: ooft

the me pocketing bins point being original is fair.

I still don't see how alch's read progression of not feeling strongly on me and calling bins scum -> me voting him -> him starting to express skepticism of me, calling me a 2nd choice behind bins -> a wagon forms on me -> he votes me, and then calls me "still the best way to go" (despite not ever saying that he thought i was a better choice than bins before this)

i don't see how any of that is anything other than scum doing whatever is convenient. Like, especially abandoning his bins scumread (or at least saying he isn't leaning towards her anymore) at the last step is just so convenient, especially since the thing that he's claiming to have abandoned it based on happened *before* he said that bins was his 1st choice and i was his 2nd choice (unless i'm misinterpreting that, but i'm pretty sure that's what he was referring to).

that said, if he + maria are both scum what he's doing right now is pretty bold.

In post 1580, the worst wrote:fair and I found his thought process fairly obfuscated the last time we played together as well (he was scum and deepwoofed, my hydra p and I quickly agreed my concerns abt him didn't matter in the bigger picture my bad)

I'm concerned that it's more of a matter of playstyle than intentional obfuscation but I'll admit this is a pretty flimsy defence. His presence and posting in this game are a lot more substantial and provocative and momentous than they were last time but this also isn't a reason to townread him heavily

I think my read is more anti scumtells than outright town

pedit: ooft

RC once told me my Townposting is a lot more thoughtful than my scum posting, which is what I was trying to copy in SC2 because Gamma also knows me really well.

The more I thought on it the more you being scum made sense and I figured my reluctance on leaving bins was due to confbias. I will admit the VC showing I was the only one still on bins was what finally made me switch.

i dont have a confident read on alch but i def dont think hes particularly town
I also think implosion is trying to pocket me (i genuinely do not know if i am using that word right)

In post 1515, Errantparabola wrote:VOTE: maria
Im pretty lost
Soneone talk to me?

uhhhhhh?????

In post 1569, Errantparabola wrote:I think zor's general stubbornness (both in action and tone) in the face of near constant pressure is significant
In that i think thats likely to come from town
But also he seems like the type to do that as scum
And his personality usually makes him come across more formally in discussion setting which could contribute to that

You see, all my takes are like this always

i know it's late but wowee ep's posts are garbo

@ep I don't townread your posts the last few pages at all but implo's towncase on you is slightly convincing

how do you feel about that?

In post 1585, Errantparabola wrote:i dont have a confident read on alch but i def dont think hes particularly town
I also think implosion is trying to pocket me (i genuinely do not know if i am using that word right)

wow this post is my life

i dont like any of alchs recent posts

In post 1588, the worst wrote:@ep I don't townread your posts the last few pages at all but implo's towncase on you is slightly convincing

how do you feel about that?

Sad i guess?

:c I'm sorry

In post 1572, the worst wrote:

In post 1571, T-Bone wrote:I disagree with Maria. Let's start there.

yesssss I've been so yearning for conflict

what's striking you as transparently towny from Maria?

I can't say its a particularly strong townread, and it degrades every moment Maria isn't here to defend herself. But like, gut feeling, because when she was here she was seeing the game in the same way I was.

In post 1574, Errantparabola wrote:im not comfy calling alch town
and also i suppose i disagree with you on ep

You shouldn't be comfortable with either of those players ta (especially Ep)

that doesn't make me townread maria at all I'm sorry

Hi I'll post tomorrow. I got locked out of my house and a cab driver yelled at me for 20 minutes so I just wanna sleep.

Meh I have something cold next to me and it's only 11 so.

In post 1251, the worst wrote:

In post 1249, implosion wrote:I really doubt life is as simple as maria+alch are scum pushing my wagon but it really feels like there's no resistance to it. It wouldn't surprise me if there's 2 scum on it even if it isn't those two.

I agree with this and also disliked EP hopping onto it ftr
neither Zor nor PP are outside anyone's scumranges, I'm still town

This is a really bad post. Why did you bring this up just now? I feel if you had this feeling you’d have talked about it sooner.

In post 1252, Errantparabola wrote:hmmmm
i would much rather be voting worst rn

Then why aren’t you? At that point you had plenty of time to start a wagon.

In post 1277, Bins wrote:idk maria has said some things that i like, but i could argue she's said things i dont like as well, like calling people (and me) out on things that i dont feel were warranted (i think you mentioned this as well).

I never called you out on anything Bins. Trust me if I was gonna call you out you’d know it. If you’re talking about the panic thing I was mostly confused because you’re just such a ??? to me. So if you consider that calling you out then I guess I’ll be calling you out some more.

In post 1282, Baezu wrote:I didn’t like how worst reacted to the implo wagon, did not like the intent to hammer, feel his interaction with you is tvs with him being scum....and I feel like if EP is feeling it too then maybe my feeling is legitimate?

Yeah, basically this.

Really liking T-bones play around PP when they’re talking about the desp/Dayvig thing.T-bone isn’t backing down from the stance. So I feel like it’s towny. PP is prob town too mostly because of the question I asked him. That confidence from both feels good

In post 1368, Untrod Tripod wrote:PenguinPower, Princess Luna - Town Desperado, hugged the wrong pony Day 1

Oh this means I don’t need to wagon the worst hype.

get some sleep. I'm conftown. <3

In post 1381, T-Bone wrote:If we're going to circle back to something I think Elsa would remain at the top of my wishlist.

Proper scum!zor play from my perspective the last few pages was to just keep his mouth shut. And maybe he knows that and is subverting it, so I don't know. Like from the standpoint of zor being scum, the path of least resistance was to back Penguin's move. (like Elsa did, although I think it makes them look worse, and at least for me, doesn't put them as scum together).

Why Elsa? I know you’re prob given a stance and reason before, but for me I just don’t see anything that would make me go ‘oh yeah Elsa is scum.’ I just don’t think Elsa plays the game like this as scum

In post 1437, Papa Zito wrote:VOTE: Maria I guess as I've liked literally nothing she's posted.

I think I’m starting to take back my Zor scumread and replacing it with Zito. Mostly because this is the most random vote. I know Zito is widely townread but I don’t really care this post is just bad.

In post 1444, Papa Zito wrote:There doesn't seem to be a lot of meat on them bones.

Can I get a couple links on these

Mhm

In post 1454, Bins wrote:

In post 1453, GuyInFreezer wrote:I think if I was scum I would be loving the current situation right now.

prob cause we got some ppl posting useless stuff like this

Ironic because this is also useless but go on Bins. Why don’t you ask gify some questions.

In post 1462, the worst wrote:for posterity Skrew Maria T-Bone Zor EP and Beazu are sitting around the bottom of the activity list and I hate ellitell but if someone can ellitell check these ponies I'd love to them forever because this gamestate likely STINKS to wolf in

I was V/LA you fk