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Xtoxm->Starcrossed->Glory

I think always wins us the game here since Lunar is cleared

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obviously Chara can take the spot if need be by a guilty, but they should be getting cleared here

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@glory - Lunar on you, then you can be on starcrossed or Chara.

It’s fine if you die at this point, Venus, we’re in an end game.

MT and Lunar are effectively cleared too.

Xtoxm is probably just scum

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Yeah I’m down for fast nights every night.

Last night Krazy just did it as a cool down from the thread

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I really do think the game just ends with xtoxm, though

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@Mars - it doesn’t matter if Hectic knows who they’re targeting, we really just need Glory protected

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Star crossed could be scum, but this is all just ramblings, and i ain’t talking that great game Bins modded.

Xtoxm is just scum here, so let’s just end the game

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There is no good reason for FL to say in the main thread which one of us Lunar needs to protect when I’m in a hood with him, that I’m assuming is pure.

Yes, think about why i was posting it in the main thread then

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Yeah, Ydrasse was p obv scum eventually haha

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Mafia Ascetic Magical Messenger.

WHAT DID I SAY

WHAT DID I SAY

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Scum PT will not be released ever by request

Weak, lol

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I never redact anything as scum

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Still weak, it is what it is, stand by the decision


Xtoxm, you claiming Disloyal is what made me believe you were scum early. I made a case on you a few days ago in the mason PT saying that your weak spot is fake claiming as scum, and thr fact that every time I talked to you I town read you is why I thought you were scum here.

Catboii the Vanilla claim when they did is what pinged me the most.

Danfloor on Gamma Emerald there.

And Ydrasse was the poem, the claim, the hesitance on the vanilla, the lack of hammer on dannfloor, the chkflip choice....there was a lot

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Most proud of my MT read

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I didnt even need the town tells from MT, i just saw they were so incredibly genuine

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Xtoxm pick was just always gonna be rough because I just know him so well.

And Ydrasse/Xtoxm got locked in incredibly hard where if they were scum, they were never winning here early on.

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Xtoxm, you claiming Disloyal is what made me believe you were scum early. I made a case on you a few days ago in the mason PT saying that your weak spot is fake claiming as scum, and thr fact that every time I talked to you I town read you is why I thought you were scum here.

yeah i toyed with the idea of hiding the disloyal part of the fake and adding that later, decided to go with the not-hide-shit-from-ic angle i think the position was defensible if i had been pushed much on it. i mean the claim def ended up getting me as deep into the game as i wanted we just lost the endgame wolves along the way unfortunately.

Yeah, once Skitter flipped town, and the day neither you or Ydrasse died, I knew something was up.

I needed to fade Skitter first because I didnt want to misfade either of you 2.

Titus fade was fine because we just went through the Vanilla Trap.

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yeah this had too many masons and with them being in the chat with stump made it worse

@Hectic next time i will try not to bribe mod to get me in on the scum team

i got too choose the masons.

I think Hectic just played too safe against me tbh.

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I'm probably done with Versus games. Ive played where I needed.

Being Scum Stump sucks.

Being Town Stump is irritating, but I did get to play god, which was fun.

I like being regular town in these games the best.

I have no interest in being on the Scum side as not a stump.

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Also sorry to both stumps for the setup probably veering townsided, it was really hard to evaluate 3 masons + scum knowing town had 0 non-shitty invests
I think the "in the know" gimmick also veered more townsided than I had anticipated

at least it wasn't as rough as Pooky vs FL setup wise. You had stuff to do, you guys just played unbelievably safe.

No gambits were really made

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Like, you had to gambit me Hectic. I went into this game trying to force you too.

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to be fair, this game was FL vs Hectic, and I think it really did end up being that way.

You had the Magical modifier, and I knew you guys did, but you guys didn't really abuse it.

Sticky Fruit Vendor, dont know what you did there, but that is ABSURDLY powerful.

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Like, you had to gambit me Hectic. I went into this game trying to force you too.

Idk, you love reading into dumb gambits

Guess I should've gone for the triple scum cop claim

yes, but i would have WIFOM'd myself so hard.

I already did WIFOM myself hard, that's how skitter got misfaded, even though that did help me end up with the correct reads.

I get so paranoid when I'm town

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and also hectic's picks just didn't ... synthesize together really if that makes sense?

I think I just knew his team besides Catboii too well at this point.

I had seen Ydrasse as scum twice.

Xtoxm is my boy.

Dannfloor I've seen play for years now.

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I do agree tho.
Town treestump shouldn't have powers anymore.

I didn't have powers

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True, forcing you to to WIFOM over something would've probably given us ammo for more mislaunches

I did note that as a weakness of yours, from you townreading clidd in that one game, and Ydrasse in Boardgames

Yeah, it really is.

I'm also weak to people charming me, so Ydrasse had a good play, but the issue was it was only gonna last so long here, and I don't think the evolution of that went anywhere at all.

I liked a lot of the ideas that were happening, and I think the scum team was a good draft pick.

You interacted with Catboii and Ydrasse too much, though, in thread, I think

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I do agree tho.
Town treestump shouldn't have powers anymore.

I didn't have powers

it was one of the things me and krazy talked about

Yeah, I really didn't want 3 masons, but it was just by far the optimal way to go about it.

Xtoxm/Ydrasse were 2 of my mason choices, and since I got neither of them, early on I was like....yeah, they're probably scum. Then I talked to them and got pocketed.

But they both dropped trying to pocket me a few days in, and they didn't do anything with the pocket to try to influence me.

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Like, honestly, scum just let me steamroll, and hoped I'd go for a miss or a self destruction, and at the end of the day, that might've worked for a day phase, but i wasn't going to end that way ever this game.

Late game as town is my sweet spot in Mafia, and I just wasn't really stoppable, and then once Alisae went Super Saiyan, it was done.

Alisae + FL = Legend

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True, forcing you to to WIFOM over something would've probably given us ammo for more mislaunches

I did note that as a weakness of yours, from you townreading clidd in that one game, and Ydrasse in Boardgames

Yeah, it really is.

I'm also weak to people charming me, so Ydrasse had a good play, but the issue was it was only gonna last so long here, and I don't think the evolution of that went anywhere at all.

I liked a lot of the ideas that were happening, and I think the scum team was a good draft pick.

You interacted with Catboii and Ydrasse too much, though, in thread, I think

Ydrasse relentlessly flirting with you was a gambit technically lol

And did I? I thought I barely interacted with Catboi. I interacted Starcrossed and Morning(?) a lot, and Ydrasse a fair bit but less so

Sure, i just kind of started it, so i didn't think it'd be NAI.

catgirl gave away catboiii to me, tbh

like I knew Catboiii was flipping scum.

For the most part, every time scum flipped, I was like 90% sure they were flipping scum.

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These games should probably be 13p games in a setup that's just 3 goons vs 3 masons + vts.

disagree, the masons should be removed entirely and different mech introduced

the masons have an intrinsic impact on the game that increases the force of the stump to lead which is negative to game fun

Yeah, I definitely abused that so hard.

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and then once Alisae went Super Saiyan, it was done.

2021 is my year bro

I'm rooting for you.

I think my town game is on another level right now, but I'm way too insane for anything, and ive accepted just appreciating the way of the full solve lifestyle

I'm good at getting people to rally too, and i think i read people's energy top notch right now

I've realized recently, I dont care at all about setup spec based on my ability to hardcore abuse it, so i dont trust clears anymore

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I take

Townreading chara correctly
Voting dann/catboi

As my contributions to this game at a mafia level

bruh, Day 2 when you did your thing I knew you were town doing it, which I guess is decently obvious, but yeah, i thought you did well this game too, and your MT read made sense, but something just held me against it, which I'm super happy it did, because that was the most precious part of this game to me.

Despite the people I trusted pushing MT, I just felt MT town.

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Bruh, for Dance of the Dark Fairy, Unwnd replaces out Night 1, then PM's me the entire scum team that he thinks it is like near 100% correct, even called out the traitor.

His slot got NK'd the same night.

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bro if ur towngame is on another level then I think you're gonna need a spaceship to reach up to my level

i have zero interest in going to space, so go ahead. I'll just stay and feel the energy down here.

I'm very happy with my performance this game

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only town game I'm less than happy about is Boardgames, and even then, I still caught 2 scum there, and then got night killed when i was turning it around.

the night kill is important

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catgirl gave away catboiii to me, tbh

like I knew Catboiii was flipping scum.

lol what

I had Watergiver, catgirl, Totus all prepared before the game started

it was just the way you interacted.

I could feel it.

Same with Ydrasse.

It takes me a while to believe my spiritual energy reads, but im learning to trust them more.

I'm going ultra instinct soon

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bro if ur towngame is on another level then I think you're gonna need a spaceship to reach up to my level

i have zero interest in going to space, so go ahead. I'll just stay and feel the energy down here.

I'm very happy with my performance this game

honestly in retrospect I really can't give you flak for reading skitter wrongly

that was my slight blemish in this game, but I'd do it 100 times over because it lead me to the correct solve.

The Ydrasse quick fade was a thing of beauty

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I had the advantage of having played the scum stump before, so I knew what Hectic would be feeling.

I also looked into the times that Hectic wasn't posting, because that's when we were more on the right track, and that's what I did in Pooky vs FL

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i was asleep when it happened

Unfortunate for both you and Hectic, that I knew both of you weren't going to be around during that time based on time zones

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ill simply never sleep again when i roll scum

i had terrible insomnia the majority of 2020 for a reason

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yeah, if i never roll scum again, id be okay with it at this point.

I'm never reaching winning those 4 large themes simultaneously again as scum, nor do I want to, and I'm never breaking my 2 and half year undefeated streak.

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Bruh, for Dance of the Dark Fairy, Unwnd replaces out Night 1, then PM's me the entire scum team that he thinks it is like near 100% correct, even called out the traitor.

His slot got NK'd the same night.

bruhhh
tfw the people who were correct in that game all got apathetic and repped out

In hindsight, I actually liked that game a lot.

And I think you specifically played really well there.

Youre gonna start dominating as scum, i feel

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i physically saw something click.

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I’d like to be Scum Stump again, but in a way where I’m more like a scum mentor, and let the scum players play themselves, but with some questions for me. I don’t wanna like lead the scum team

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GG. I want to give major props to FL who single-handedly gave this game a perfect solve. There was no doubt, no error, just pure solving.

Thank you, Lunar. I am good to my kingdom, but I’ll drop the hammer when i have to.

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Nancy, Titus, Gamma Emerald probably were the actual strongest drafts here based on my own draft spec of who Hectic would draft, and Nancy/Gamma’s ability to 1v1 me, and Titus and I knowing each other for 7 years now

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Cowbells will probably forever be my favorite rival on site

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Nah, it’s probably because I was toxic/something to do with Ydrasse lol

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That’s why it would have worked

I think that was an insanely safe draft, and Hectic’s play was safe throughout the game

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Hectic likes to keep his play hidden still is all probably

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My main base for Hectic scum was the Normal I modded on Pretentious, and it was FlippyNips vs Hectic, and Hectic killed the Nip there, and around that time I realized Hectic was super safe, so I came into this game wanting to actively force Hectic to do more here.

I do think this Town Stump is generally going to be a good spot for me to solve games, but I have too much pull normally that me with the town stump just made it insanely follow the stump.

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Yeah i gotta do that later

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Animal UPick 1 was a big hit

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Town stresses me out more than scum does for me

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I just hate not getting along with scum partners.

Anti scum synergy is too much

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solving puzzles is fun fuck you

Doesn’t mean it’s not stressful.

I probably put most of that stress on myself.

I HAVE to solve for my own well being

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I love working with other townies so much, I’m really strong in the spot where there’s a town leader, and I’m their number 2.

That was me in Xenoblade/Tenet

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I think I was hydra with Nancy in that game, and i have a superpower that makes me forget the happenings of every game I am a hydra in

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I mean, Creature a goat when he cares. A lot of us have Apathy issues

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Also, Hebi Hebi Hebi Chan

I tried so hard to get her to notice me in Overkill 2...alas she did not

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Basically this guy, e says, about Donald Glover/Childish Gambino