Flavor Leaf vs. Hectic [Game Over]

[Flavor Leaf]

Like, you had to gambit me Hectic. I went into this game trying to force you too.

[skitter30]

xtoxm i probably should have pushed you a bit harder earlier on .... your play kinda looked exactly like TM 2020.

ig i think that too many masons is a bit op
and also hectic's picks just didn't ... synthesize together really if that makes sense?

idk maybe this was a weird iteration of the versus series

was an interesting experiment, not really caring about getting flipped like i did this time
i feel like i maybe slightly course-corrected too much towards the 'uncaring' side post-tenet
idk
i basically didn't treat this that seriously

[Firebringer]

I like being scum but most of my game was played around fooling the rest of the town and not the one person that mattered. ヘ(￣ー￣ヘ)

u did very well imo if this was a regular game u would have lasted long

[Morning Tweet]

Most proud of my MT read

I didnt even need the town tells from MT, i just saw they were so incredibly genuine

morning-whisperer

i TR MT after i worked out the towntell

You better be trolling

is it that obvious? I am going to lose my mind over this

Setup-wise there is no situation where I'd pick less than 3 masons as the town stump so i agree that it's a balancing problem -- it's probably way too much to expect for scum to find the masons in such a large game (plus PRs to worry about)

[Shi]

Like, you had to gambit me Hectic. I went into this game trying to force you too.

Idk, you love reading into dumb gambits

Guess I should've gone for the triple scum cop claim

[skitter30]

I like being scum but most of my game was played around fooling the rest of the town and not the one person that mattered. ヘ(￣ー￣ヘ)

u did very well imo if this was a regular game u would have lasted long

same. i townread u for most of the game catboi.

[Flavor Leaf]

to be fair, this game was FL vs Hectic, and I think it really did end up being that way.

You had the Magical modifier, and I knew you guys did, but you guys didn't really abuse it.

Sticky Fruit Vendor, dont know what you did there, but that is ABSURDLY powerful.

[Alisae]

-masons with town stump is a TERRIBLE idea

remind me where in dms we talked about this I forget I'm sure we did tho cuz I remember the first point being something we talked about

we had like an entire conversation about this... well I more specifically said to double the pool of mason picks (up to like 12/17 players) and also cap masons at 2, but frankly I think the game is actually better if there just cannot be masons in versus setup games at all

Okay yeah I remember talking about increasing the mason picks and lowering the masons to 2 but I forgot about the ladder.
These games should probably be 13p games in a setup that's just 3 goons vs 3 masons + vts.

Something that may actually be worth trying is hiding the alignment of the stumps but if you were to do that the masons need to be lowered.

[Flavor Leaf]

Like, you had to gambit me Hectic. I went into this game trying to force you too.

Idk, you love reading into dumb gambits

Guess I should've gone for the triple scum cop claim

yes, but i would have WIFOM'd myself so hard.

I already did WIFOM myself hard, that's how skitter got misfaded, even though that did help me end up with the correct reads.

I get so paranoid when I'm town

[Flavor Leaf]

and also hectic's picks just didn't ... synthesize together really if that makes sense?

I think I just knew his team besides Catboii too well at this point.

I had seen Ydrasse as scum twice.

Xtoxm is my boy.

Dannfloor I've seen play for years now.

[Alisae]

I do agree tho.
Town treestump shouldn't have powers anymore.

[Firebringer]

i am taking a few month break from mafia but skitter i want to do a vs game u when i come back

[Shi]

True, forcing you to to WIFOM over something would've probably given us ammo for more mislaunches

I did note that as a weakness of yours, from you townreading clidd in that one game, and Ydrasse in Boardgames

[Flavor Leaf]

I do agree tho.
Town treestump shouldn't have powers anymore.

I didn't have powers

[skitter30]

i am taking a few month break from mafia but skitter i want to do a vs game u when i come back

i'm not sure *i* really want to do one tbh but i hope the next few months go well for you and that we play again when you get back :)

[Alisae]

like 13p 3 goons vs 3 masons a very balanced setup so just inserting stumps in there I mean probably makes it more townsided but at the same time scum gets to pick who is scum.

[Alisae]

I do agree tho.
Town treestump shouldn't have powers anymore.

I didn't have powers

it was one of the things me and krazy talked about

[Flavor Leaf]

True, forcing you to to WIFOM over something would've probably given us ammo for more mislaunches

I did note that as a weakness of yours, from you townreading clidd in that one game, and Ydrasse in Boardgames

Yeah, it really is.

I'm also weak to people charming me, so Ydrasse had a good play, but the issue was it was only gonna last so long here, and I don't think the evolution of that went anywhere at all.

I liked a lot of the ideas that were happening, and I think the scum team was a good draft pick.

You interacted with Catboii and Ydrasse too much, though, in thread, I think

[Firebringer]

i am taking a few month break from mafia but skitter i want to do a vs game u when i come back

i'm not sure *i* really want to do one tbh but i hope the next few months go well for you and that we play again when you get back

ohh maybe me vs pooky then.

[Flavor Leaf]

I do agree tho.
Town treestump shouldn't have powers anymore.

I didn't have powers

it was one of the things me and krazy talked about

Yeah, I really didn't want 3 masons, but it was just by far the optimal way to go about it.

Xtoxm/Ydrasse were 2 of my mason choices, and since I got neither of them, early on I was like....yeah, they're probably scum. Then I talked to them and got pocketed.

But they both dropped trying to pocket me a few days in, and they didn't do anything with the pocket to try to influence me.

[skitter30]

that sounds like a cool iteration :)

[Krazy]

These games should probably be 13p games in a setup that's just 3 goons vs 3 masons + vts.

disagree, the masons should be removed entirely and different mech introduced

the masons have an intrinsic impact on the game that increases the force of the stump to lead which is negative to game fun

[Shi]

True, forcing you to to WIFOM over something would've probably given us ammo for more mislaunches

I did note that as a weakness of yours, from you townreading clidd in that one game, and Ydrasse in Boardgames

Yeah, it really is.

I'm also weak to people charming me, so Ydrasse had a good play, but the issue was it was only gonna last so long here, and I don't think the evolution of that went anywhere at all.

I liked a lot of the ideas that were happening, and I think the scum team was a good draft pick.

You interacted with Catboii and Ydrasse too much, though, in thread, I think

Ydrasse relentlessly flirting with you was a gambit technically lol

And did I? I thought I barely interacted with Catboi. I interacted Starcrossed and Morning(?) a lot, and Ydrasse a fair bit but less so

[Alisae]

Xtoxm/Ydrasse were 2 of my mason choices, and since I got neither of them, early on I was like....yeah, they're probably scum. Then I talked to them and got pocketed.

Krazy: I was right btw

[Flavor Leaf]

Like, honestly, scum just let me steamroll, and hoped I'd go for a miss or a self destruction, and at the end of the day, that might've worked for a day phase, but i wasn't going to end that way ever this game.

Late game as town is my sweet spot in Mafia, and I just wasn't really stoppable, and then once Alisae went Super Saiyan, it was done.

Alisae + FL = Legend