Literally nobody cares that the Flea power wagon was terrible. Everybody is talking roles, spec, leashing, mechanics. It is very easy for scum to blend in there.
Basically nobody is purely scumhunting.
I'm too lazy to do it myself.
Taly, I'll get back to you later with some scattered thoughts, but honestly it's all pretty shallow and pessimistic.
Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2022 12:42 pm
by House
In post 1701, ɀefiend wrote:Literally nobody cares that the Flea power wagon was terrible.
I miss voting for flea. Can we do it again?
Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2022 2:41 pm
by House
I have to wake up stupid early tomorrow because I have a super long day, so I'm heading to bed.
G'night.
Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2022 4:09 pm
by Galron
Dwlee and scorpious, what is this last game you two refer to, and what is its applicability here?
Literally nobody cares that the Flea power wagon was terrible. Everybody is talking roles, spec, leashing, mechanics. It is very easy for scum to blend in there.
Basically nobody is purely scumhunting.
I'm too lazy to do it myself.
Taly, I'll get back to you later with some scattered thoughts, but honestly it's all pretty shallow and pessimistic.
1. true
2. false
3. some people are town hunting
4. true
5. maybe
Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2022 4:14 pm
by Dwlee99
In post 1704, Galron wrote:Dwlee and scorpious, what is this last game you two refer to, and what is its applicability here?
It's why I scumread scorpius. He just ate'd when under pressure and did this same exact posting style. I said that D1 weary
Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2022 4:15 pm
by Galron
In post 1681, Taly wrote:Did Scorp claim vig? Why hasn't he used that yet if so?
It takes discipline to holster that shot. The smarter play is to hold on to it until you have better reads.
In post 1704, Galron wrote:Dwlee and scorpious, what is this last game you two refer to, and what is its applicability here?
It's why I scumread scorpius. He just ate'd when under pressure and did this same exact posting style. I said that D1 weary
With no NK why should we disbelieve his claim other than your meta ate read?
Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2022 4:17 pm
by Galron
If we're going to kill a claimed PR we oughtta have a good reason to do it.
Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2022 4:19 pm
by Dwlee99
Because zefiend jailed him and no kill happened + he claimed parts of his role that weren't there earlier including a watcher, a strong power role that is only balanced if scum have some sort of ninja, and that he claimed to use on house not zefiend, a claimed PR.
In post 225, CheekyTeeky wrote:It's scum indicative for mastina who is meticulous in her mech reasoning. We just finished a game where she had the whole scumteam in her mech spec based on her knowledge of normals. Luckily she didn't back herself and went with her play reads instead so she didn't catch scum!me.
Another piece of evidence towards scumstina is her read on me from the outset, and her reads on flea and Mega. Her PoE seems hamfisted and intentional in it's positioning as opposed to the elegant convincing posts that may be wrong but are usually logically correct.
In post 226, Titus wrote:100% disagree on mastina's mech being spot on. I think mastina skews balance towards town. I don’t agree with her reasoning half the time but I strongly feel this is town mastina and you're BoPing her.
Titus I know you've got that trial, but I'm interested in knowing whether you still think Cheeky was BoPing mastina here.
Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2022 4:27 pm
by Galron
225 is a very good post as I read it again, maybe because it backs up what I've been feeling.
In post 225, CheekyTeeky wrote:It's scum indicative for mastina who is meticulous in her mech reasoning. We just finished a game where she had the whole scumteam in her mech spec based on her knowledge of normals. Luckily she didn't back herself and went with her play reads instead so she didn't catch scum!me.
Another piece of evidence towards scumstina is her read on me from the outset, and her reads on flea and Mega. Her PoE seems hamfisted and intentional in it's positioning as opposed to the elegant convincing posts that may be wrong but are usually logically correct.
Hamfisted and intentional are good adjectives here. The only thing wrong is that it's not logically correct.
Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2022 4:28 pm
by Galron
In post 227, Taly wrote:Couldn't have said it better myself.
You agreed with Titus on Cheeky BoPing mastina. Do you still think that?
In post 226, Titus wrote:100% disagree on mastina's mech being spot on. I think mastina skews balance towards town. I don’t agree with her reasoning half the time but I strongly feel this is town mastina and you're BoPing her.
How do you explain away her half baked read of Flea who has given evidence contrary to her asserting fae had insufficient meta to make a judgement call on fae's alignment preference. This has nothing to do with BoP because it's not about read accuracy. It's about the intent and effort mastina is putting into the game.
If you want me to consider elsewhere please explain to me why meg is scum as I feel this is town meg.
In post 231, CheekyTeeky wrote:I'll also point out that mastina has recently lost two games against scum!me so she should know this is not my scumgame, otherwise she'd be townreading me ^.^
These are useful as well.
Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2022 4:37 pm
by Galron
In post 267, MegAzumarill wrote:The case is mastina is usually pretty thourough and accurate with mechanical stuff, yet is using pretty blatant assumptions rather than mechanics to create a POE that I don't think is accurate. It has obviously been thought about at length but yet is so flimsy and is being presented at concrete. That is why I believe it's likely from scum as an attempt to easily put townies up for lim and look townie
has been BoP'd pretty hard this game. Now, I wonder how
Titus
came to this conclusion in retrospect.
zefiend
, who could be scum blending in mech talk?
Titus
I'm kind of out of scumhunting mode tbh, it's the only thing that's helping me trust the initial townbloc.
I say this because I think
Titus/mastina/Galron/House/Enchant
all lean town but there is so much dissonance among these players on players like
Dwlee/Scorp
and each other that I wonder if it's AI and I'm failing to see the details.
Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2022 4:54 pm
by Taly
And ngl like everybody but
Galron/Enchant/Greeting/(House?)
could theoretically qualify as scum misting me via buddying or vibing
So the range at which I see an error in my reads is larger than I'd like for literally a near 33% chance to hit scum here.
Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2022 4:55 pm
by Taly
Is
zefiend/Scorp
S/S implausible?
Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2022 4:56 pm
by Taly
Yeah this game is probably easier than we are making it.
Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2022 5:00 pm
by Scorpious
Not entirely sure what’s so scummy about my role.
Surely all this big brained thinking can find some way to use what I have available instead of throwing me away..
This is a weird reaction by everyone. We haven’t hit any scum yet. Why not try something different ? I still have a big shot.
Tell me what to do with it.
Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2022 5:01 pm
by Taly
In post 1719, Taly wrote:I say this because I think Titus/mastina/Galron/House/Enchant all lean town but there is so much dissonance among these players on players like Dwlee/Scorp and each other that I wonder if it's AI and I'm failing to see the details.
This turns my personal solve into
Dwlee/Scorp/zefiend
which seems almost like wishful thinking lol and somewhat contradicts my earlier assessment that