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VOTE: MeekMeerkat in the meantime because it is now my strongest scumread. Will switch back to marcistar if not enough players switch over.

I'm limiting myself to be online for only around 6 minutes, so I'll continue my argument in the next post and post wherever I stop and add ellipses (...) to the back of whereever I stop.

In the event I am right about MeelMeerkat, I consider it unlikely Vivax is mafia as well, but that is in the realm of WIFOM because it is quite likely for someone to reach that conclusion unprompted in the event MeekMeerkat flips mafia.

Frogsterking fits "...

Frogsterking fits the description of "playing purely to survive, not solve" surprisingly well and, unlike marcistar, I ahve played with Frogsterking before. "Playing purely to survive, not solve", is simply not what I expect feom Frogsterking. Note: I'm only taking posts I remember into account. This will include any post that suggests that my hypothesis is false.

Times up for myself.

Must say this though, if anyone hammers before I say "I'm done", I'll count that as a scumclaim, especially if I get night killed.

I know I said "I'm done" in this post, but try to argue this technicality when you are up for execution in the next day phase and see how convincing it is.

You scumread me because Marci is either town or scum?

I do not know how to read Marci (I felt this way before the game started, I’ve seen her play before) but I agree that her claim is NAI.

Yes I am advocating for Vivax to die over Marci, because I have many more reasons to scumread Vivax and see Marci as the counterwagon. Never before have I seen someone do pre-flip associations so that “if Marci is town, one of the things Meerkat says makes him mafia - AND if Marci is scum, that same comment makes Meerkat mafia” like lol

Scum Vivax reasoning:
- I townread everyone who has sat on the Vivax wagon. Wagons made entirely of townies are more likely to be on scum
- Vivax became the leading wagon and then the game slowed way down, and a counterwagon slowly formed. This suggests scum aren’t interested in the Vivax flip.
- While some apparently disagree, I think Vivax has done next to nothing to find scum this game day. He’s not interrogated anyone for info, not made logical points about who might be what alignment, and generally seems uninterested in anything other than posting high amounts of text as a way to make people lose interest in his elim.
- He spent part of this game day speculating on which slots are cheaters, insulted me when I increased the pressure on him (“your tone is insecure”) and generally is doing things I can’t find town motivation for

FFS this is supposed to be my low effort alt

Reasons to scumread Marci:
- Her claim seems to be a big reason for many, but I see it as NAI and so do you, Fred
- Her posting is more sparse (if you scumread Marci for this and then I’m your biggest scumread )
- She has a tone of trying to survive, yeah this is an okay point and I see it kinda
- She has also sat near elim for a good portion of the game day. Though I see this as less town indicative in this case because momentum has been shifting towards her even though I (from my perspective I’m the only one I know to be town) am advocating for the other elim. Gives me the feeling the momentum shift is because scum want it

Marci who did you target N1?

i deadass didnt act

In post 1712, Dunnstral wrote:

In post 1703, marcistar wrote:I TARGET SOMEONE

ALL DEBUFFS ARE REMOVED THEY GET HEALED TO FULL HEALTH

IF THEY AT FULL HEALTH AND NO DEBUFFS

THEY DISINTERGRATE AND GET FLIPPED LIKE THEY WOULD BY A JANITOR

What does 'get healed to full health' entail here? I am not aware of any kind of health point mechanic.

What happens if you are unable to remove a debuff, or unable to heal a player to full health?

idk bro why would i care about that lmao

didnt u see how enchant claimed to get -2 health anyways stop playing dumb

marcistar, I am more confident MeekMeerkat is mafia. Is it in your alignment's interest to join me?

MeekMeerkat, the basis of my scumread on you is that
1. You claim Vivax was "playing purely to survive, not solve".
2. marcistar appears to fit "playing purely to survive, not solve" more than Vivax.
3. You didn't push marcistar.

Why is 3. a fact? I can't know, but the reasons I think of make me scumread you.

While writing the above, ...

In post 1734, marcistar wrote:

In post 1712, Dunnstral wrote:

In post 1703, marcistar wrote:I TARGET SOMEONE

ALL DEBUFFS ARE REMOVED THEY GET HEALED TO FULL HEALTH

IF THEY AT FULL HEALTH AND NO DEBUFFS

THEY DISINTERGRATE AND GET FLIPPED LIKE THEY WOULD BY A JANITOR

What does 'get healed to full health' entail here? I am not aware of any kind of health point mechanic.

What happens if you are unable to remove a debuff, or unable to heal a player to full health?

idk bro why would i care about that lmao

didnt u see how enchant claimed to get -2 health anyways stop playing dumb

What does your role pm say?

I didn't see what Enchant said, by the way. Here it is:

In post 1227, Enchant wrote:Mafia attacked me.

I received .2 dmg, but didn't die.

I don't remember people talking about this.

Mafia deal .2 damage instead of killing
or Enchant is joking?

did this game have hp

In post 1741, Sara wrote:did this game have hp

Not according to my role PM. Plus, that would mean scum would have to kill Enchant 5btimes. It's a joke.

I am willing to vote marcistar. We have seen zero debuffs so far and neg utility wasn't claimed by SirCakez day 1. marcistar read and didn't claim it.

Ftr, I hate this wagon composition but some of my townreads are off wagons entirely.

~Titus

In post 1712, Dunnstral wrote:

In post 1703, marcistar wrote:I TARGET SOMEONE

ALL DEBUFFS ARE REMOVED THEY GET HEALED TO FULL HEALTH

IF THEY AT FULL HEALTH AND NO DEBUFFS

THEY DISINTERGRATE AND GET FLIPPED LIKE THEY WOULD BY A JANITOR

What does 'get healed to full health' entail here? I am not aware of any kind of health point mechanic.

What happens if you are unable to remove a debuff, or unable to heal a player to full health?

Nomsy has to be town imo.

They were blocked to shoot me unless both NDMath and Nomsy are scum. NDMath claimed their ability triggered which means I had no bulletproof after night 1.

It is very remote Nomsy protected elsewhere.

Enchant asking if we could die by day/nightkill is sketchy. As are the players that tried to eliminate us after the failed shot.

~Titus

~Titus

~Titus

I don't know how my post signed 3 times.

I'm really tired. Back to the road.

~Titus

Cease lying.

It's annoying.

In post 1736, Fredrick A Campbell wrote:MeekMeerkat, the basis of my scumread on you is that
1. You claim Vivax was "playing purely to survive, not solve".
2. marcistar appears to fit "playing purely to survive, not solve" more than Vivax.
3. You didn't push marcistar.

Why is 3. a fact? I can't know, but the reasons I think of make me scumread you.

While writing the above, ...

3. Because while you're right that marci is playing to survive more than solve (I've acknowledged that's true since you pointed it out) it's a reason to scumread Marci, compared to my having reasons to scumread Vivax??? Are you playing dumb or just scum?

If Marci and Vivax are both town, scum could have easily hammered one of them literal days ago. If one is town and the other is scum, scum are probably sitting on one wagon while town is sitting on the other (a major reason I scumread vivax over marci here: wagon composition). If both are scum, town is doing great, but just arguing over which is a more ideal elim.

The least likely scenario imo here is that both are town, and like two seconds ago you townread me for "posts seem town" - I'm suddenly scum for *not voting Marci* for *one of the reasons* I find Vivax scummy? This is asinine, I'm almost certainly arguing with scum at this point. Not going to derail consensus by making this a me v fred right before deadline but this line of argument against me is idiotic. Why isn't "avoiding voting Marci" a reason for you to find Vivax scummy here?

Nomsy and Mala are the only two players in the game I feel confident enough to say are conftown. Both are based off of beeboy's flip.

Soooooo.
Does Pooky make Janitor Vig for mafia team?

Role is confirmable easily, i just think if it means anything.

Well, now post 1746 completely destroys my argument that MeekMeerkat are mafia.

I'm done.

VOTE: marcistar

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