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Post Post #175 (ISO) » Fri Jun 01, 2007 7:25 pm

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unvote Jordan, Vote Albert.


At least Jordan's trying at this point. Albert looks too much like scum giving up, though even that would be early...

So, with both prospective Lynchees at L-3, let's see what happens.
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Post Post #176 (ISO) » Fri Jun 01, 2007 8:06 pm

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Mod:
Some clarification on the rules, please. Is it possible to lynch two people in one day, either through equal votes at deadline, or by one person using their two votes to hammer two people at lynch-1?
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Post Post #177 (ISO) » Fri Jun 01, 2007 11:30 pm

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Albert seems to be nervous. He has already claimed even being at lynch -3. Furthermore, his claim doesn't help him much... Vanilla townie is a typical claim for scum to do.

Unvote all

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Post Post #178 (ISO) » Fri Jun 01, 2007 11:32 pm

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Oops I've just hammered Albert.
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Post Post #179 (ISO) » Sat Jun 02, 2007 12:31 am

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HackerHuck wrote:
Mod:
Some clarification on the rules, please. Is it possible to lynch two people in one day, either through equal votes at deadline, or by one person using their two votes to hammer two people at lynch-1?
No it is not possible, the first person to by lynched will be the lynch for the day.
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Post Post #180 (ISO) » Sat Jun 02, 2007 12:36 am

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That's a lynch!

End of Day 1 Vote Count!

Albert B. Rampage: 8 (TonyMontana, Phoebus, TonyMontana, johhan, Pinky johhan, undo, undo)
JordanA24: 4 (Albert B. Rampage, Albert B. Rampage, HackerHuck, HackerHuck)
HackerHuck: 1 (JordanA24)

Not Voting: yeahthatguy224, Bob700

Has only used one vote: Pinky II, JordanA24

With 10 Alive its 8 to Lynch

Lynch Scene in a moment
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Post Post #181 (ISO) » Sat Jun 02, 2007 12:38 am

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You string up Albert B. Rampage after he claims he is nothing but a Vanilla Townie. Convinced he is scum, you check his house, only to find that it was a plain and boring place, so you realize that he was indeed a Double Townie.

Albert B. Rampage, Double Townie, lynched Day 1


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Post Post #182 (ISO) » Mon Jun 04, 2007 2:53 am

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Less than 24 hours to go and I am still missing some choices, if they are not in by the deadline the people responsible for them will be counted as if they had sent in no choice.
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Post Post #183 (ISO) » Mon Jun 04, 2007 10:39 am

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You wake up, expecting a few more deaths, so you aren't suprised when you arrive at the town square to find there are only 7 of you still there; upon checking to see who is missing you realize that Phoebus and TonyMontana are not there. You check Phoebus' house, only to find many killing insterments and evidence of many meatings having taken place there, and you soon realize that he was a Mafia Goon! When you check TonyMontana's house, you find it to be plain, causing you to realize he was a Vanilla Townie

Phoebus Double Mafia Goon, killed Night 1
TonyMontana Double Townie, killed Night 1


It is now Day 2, with 7 alive it is 6 to lynch!
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Post Post #184 (ISO) » Mon Jun 04, 2007 12:00 pm

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Oh well. Go town.

At least i won't stand trial for prosecuting albert :p
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Post Post #185 (ISO) » Mon Jun 04, 2007 1:26 pm

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One dead scum means some kind of vig/SK.

Let's see who rode that wagon...

Undo (2), Johhan (2), Pinky (1), Tony (2 - town), Phoebus (1 - scum).

I don't like this exchange. Is there some reason why people will post the vote count without being able to count properly? That was one of the reasons why Albert was a top suspect.
johhan wrote:
unvote Jordan, Vote Albert.


At least Jordan's trying at this point. Albert looks too much like scum giving up, though even that would be early...

So, with both prospective Lynchees at
L-3
, let's see what happens.
undo wrote:Albert seems to be nervous. He has already claimed even being at lynch -3. Furthermore, his claim doesn't help him much... Vanilla townie is a typical claim for scum to do.

Unvote all

Double vote: Albert
undo wrote:Oops I've just hammered Albert.
I don't like johhans involvement in this.
FoS: Johhan


@ undo - Why did you do a vote count after you had voted?

I'm concerned about Bob and ThatNewGuy. Both have been lurking as we approached lynch and both have said some scummy things.
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JordanA24 wrote:I'm simply convinced at the moment that Albert's telling the truth. Would scum really draw that much attention to themselves by casing a lynching vote on Page 3.

FOS: Bob
for going with the flow, lurking, and then coming out of nowhere to put me at -1.
Hey, I just wanted an answer to my question. Seems like I have received it.
Your answer somewhat justifies your actions, so
Single Unvote: Jordan
. But regardless, I still have a feeling about you.
FOS: Jordan
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Bob wrote:Your answer somewhat justifies your actions, so Single Unvote: Jordan. But regardless, I still have a feeling about you.
FOS: Jordan
Bob, you're too afraid to look scummy. If you had a clean consicence, you wouldn't have to unvote Jordan just because he told you it looked scummy to him.

Single Unvote: Jordan

Single Vote: Bob
I voted for one reason, and one reason only. To get an explanation.
Why risk keeping someone at L1, after I got what I wanted?
Very risk averse. Not to mention I'm still suspicious of Jordan.
yeahthatguy224 wrote:Hmm, well, since both of my votes were random votes, and I think were out of that now.

Unvote All


I do agree that Albert badly contradicted himself on that
'dont put people at -1 so soon'
'bam you're at -1 how does it feel'
a foolish play, scummy though, not sure of yet.
I also don't like how he forced jordan to vote TM, that imo is scummy.

Jordan, I didn't find your voting yourself scummy, I just found it amusing. You apparently have a sense of humor, and randomed yourself. :) Glad you got out of that. Now I just hope you're not scum.


So out of this discussion I see Albert as today's play, but not quite yet. If you notice, all of his votes are double votes. I'd like a little more of a majority vote before anything happens.
Unvotes, yet casts more suspicion on Albert without voting for him? Nicely keeps him out of the voting record when we lynch a townie.

I'd like to start with a little pressure on these two.
Vote: Bob
Vote: ThatNewGuy

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Post Post #186 (ISO) » Mon Jun 04, 2007 1:49 pm

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Am I correct that the second vote is supposed to be for yeahthatguy224?
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Post Post #187 (ISO) » Mon Jun 04, 2007 3:55 pm

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Yea i'm taking finals in school atm. so sorry if I'm unintentionally lurking.

I didn't like how the trend was whoever put someone at L-1 was immediately ganged on for doing so, and to tell the truth I didn't want to put myself in that position.


about the deaths. it seems there's no sk on scum, or else there would be 2 townies dead.

I'll check in more, sorry about lurking again.
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Post Post #188 (ISO) » Mon Jun 04, 2007 4:51 pm

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At least we finally have one scum off. :D As for my, "Lurking". I am being bombarded with upcoming Finals and Regents, and I am just posting at times that I have free time with. I'll post some more later.
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Post Post #189 (ISO) » Mon Jun 04, 2007 5:05 pm

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I guess you guys are paying attention after all.

But I guess I should pay more attention...
bird1111 wrote:Am I correct that the second vote is supposed to be for yeahthatguy224?
yeah, that guy is right.

Vote:yeahthatguy224
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Post Post #190 (ISO) » Mon Jun 04, 2007 8:05 pm

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Um, interesting night results. I don't have time to go into detail now I'll post later on what I think.
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Post Post #191 (ISO) » Tue Jun 05, 2007 3:41 am

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Vote Count

Bob: 1 (HackerHuck)
yeahthatguy224: 1 (HackerHuck)

Not voting: Everyone else

Has only used one vote: No one.
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Post Post #192 (ISO) » Tue Jun 05, 2007 5:14 am

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Well from knowing that Phoebus was scum we know for sure there is a vig/sk/ killing role other than scum.
And of course they are double, which means either
a) scum killed TM twice and the SK killed Phoebus twice
b)one of them no-killed and the other chose both (that would have to have been the SK)
c) we may have 2 scum families but in this size of game I don't think that it's very likely.

It doesn't tell us very much about who is possible scum/SK at the moment but its relevant to look and see the interactions the dead had with other people.
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Post Post #193 (ISO) » Tue Jun 05, 2007 5:24 am

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Looking at Phoebus' posts, I didn't like this:
Phoebus wrote:Two scumtells, two votes. two people. Brilliant.


vote: johann

vote: yeahthatguy
Followed by:
Phoebus wrote:
unvote: johann ; vote: albert



demonstrating the recklessness of putting someone one away from a lynch is one thing...
what is with requiring a claim so early?
It's not much, but it looks like scum distancing to me.

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Post Post #194 (ISO) » Tue Jun 05, 2007 5:24 am

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Oh, and
FOS: Undo
for careless hammering.
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Post Post #195 (ISO) » Tue Jun 05, 2007 8:18 am

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Ok, so here are my thoughts. We do have a Vig/SK. If we have a Vig, we will need to hope that he/she can stay alive as long as possible.

If we have a SK, that should be first priority. If we allow the SK to run free, we will have up to 2-4 innocent kills a day. If that keeps up, we will lose quite quickly.

As for todays kills, here are a few probable explanations.

A) Mafia and SK/Vig Kill a single target two times.

B) Mafia Kills two targets, one target doc blocked, and SK/Vig kill a single target twice.

C) Mafia kills nobody, and a SK AND a Vig double kill a target.

D) Mafia Kills nobody, Sk kills two targets.

E) Two mafia trees. Each double kills a single target.

Thats all I can think of now. If B is correct, that means we have at least one Doc left, and we should hope that the Doc doesn't die. E also seems very unlikely for the number of players here. Also,
Double Vote: Undo
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Post Post #196 (ISO) » Tue Jun 05, 2007 9:53 am

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I apologize for my mistake- All I can say is that it honestly wasn't intentional. I missed Pinky's single vote on page 7 when i was counting. My intention was to put both of them at an equal number of votes and observe the activity from there. I screwed it up, sorry.

Undo may or may not have meant to hammer Albert, but his lackluster response and regardless, apparent intent to put him at L-1 anyway make him suspicious. I'm not going to double vote him because (by my often inaccurate count) that would put him at L-2, vulnerable to a double vote. I will, however,
vote (1): Undo
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Post Post #197 (ISO) » Tue Jun 05, 2007 9:56 am

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By my count, Undo's at 3.
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Post Post #198 (ISO) » Tue Jun 05, 2007 10:33 am

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JordanA24 wrote:By my count, Undo's at 3.
Good, that's what I thought. I still think double votes are generally bad for discussion, since they can lead to lynches with a minority of people wanting it.
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Post Post #199 (ISO) » Wed Jun 06, 2007 10:05 am

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HH wrote:@ undo - Why did you do a vote count after you had voted?
After voting, I suddenly realised I could be hammering Albert - which I did, unfortunately.
I'm concerned about Bob and ThatNewGuy. Both have been lurking as we approached lynch and both have said some scummy things
I agree. I have already exposed my opinion about Bob's scummy action in Day 1 - He voted Jordan and then immediately unvoted him with a nonsensical justification. Plus, look at the way takes advantage of the hammering situation and double votes me immediately, saying only: "for that very odd hammering of Albert". This is very vague and is no valid reason to cast a DOUBLE vote on someone. He acted discreetly, after an apparently innocent and helpful analysis post.

Based on this reasoning, I shall
Double Vote: Bob700
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