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Post Post #175 (ISO) » Fri Jan 18, 2008 3:27 pm

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I'm not scum either, for the record!

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Post Post #176 (ISO) » Sat Jan 19, 2008 2:11 am

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No, I am not. Lets see what Zu Faul has to say...
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Post Post #177 (ISO) » Sat Jan 19, 2008 3:14 am

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You get a more detailed analysis later in the next two days, maybe even today. Not feeling very focused right now.

What I do think is that Nocmen and NabakovNabakov are acting very scummy.
Nocmen wrote:I knew that the random stage for me had ended when I started suspecting NN. However, I did not realize that I had left my vote on him from random when I FoSed him. By the time I realized it however, he was no longer at the top of my suspicion.
This post looks very much like distancing himself from Nabakovx2. When one of them is lynched he later wants the other one to be able to say "Oh no, I'm not scum with him, see what I [Nocmen] said on page 7, I [he] suspected him [me] from the beginning!"
So my money is on these two right now.

As for the rule Kabanon007 broke, I have no clue. What are these apps/suverys you are talking about? I couldn't participate in it, remember.
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Post Post #178 (ISO) » Sat Jan 19, 2008 4:11 am

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Your last line is confusing... please can you explain.
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Post Post #179 (ISO) » Sat Jan 19, 2008 5:10 am

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Interesting point about the two guys with n names. I'd like to see that.
zu_Faul wrote: As for the rule Kabanon007 broke, I have no clue. What are these apps/suverys you are talking about? I couldn't participate in it, remember.
Well, in order to sign up for the game, the mod had a questionnaire we all had to fill out, a list of questions we had to PM him answers to. I can't quote it without breaking a game rule, but you can find it in the mini theme queau thread; just look at TSQ's most recent posts there.
I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie
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Post Post #180 (ISO) » Sat Jan 19, 2008 6:07 am

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Porochaz wrote:Your last line is confusing... please can you explain.
I have no clue of which role kabanon could have broken that led to his modkill.
The other stuff in that line was a question which yos2 just answered. (thanks, yos)
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Post Post #181 (ISO) » Sat Jan 19, 2008 6:17 pm

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@zu_Faul: What do you think about Draux?
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Post Post #182 (ISO) » Sun Jan 20, 2008 4:07 am

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NabakovNabakov wrote:@zu_Faul: What do you think about Draux?
He's an honest pro-town player who doesn't have balls. That's all.
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Post Post #183 (ISO) » Sun Jan 20, 2008 10:48 am

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And needs to post mroe.
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Post Post #184 (ISO) » Sun Jan 20, 2008 2:34 pm

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Nocmen wrote:And needs to post mroe.
And got replaced
Qman wrote:I'm not scum either, for the record!

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Not helpful. You said a whiles back that your "top three" was NabNab, Nocmen and Draux (in no particular order). What do you think now?
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Post Post #185 (ISO) » Wed Jan 23, 2008 5:58 am

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Deadline set for January 26th, 11pm EST.

For every player who posts tomorrow the deadline will be extended one additional day. I am tired of the lack of posting.
My memes are no longer relevant to the youths

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Post Post #186 (ISO) » Wed Jan 23, 2008 8:28 am

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I am posting
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Post Post #187 (ISO) » Wed Jan 23, 2008 8:42 am

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I am posting too, but I will admit I have sort of been ignoring this game, I really promise to actually not do so tonight or tomoror.
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Post Post #188 (ISO) » Wed Jan 23, 2008 9:46 am

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*posts*
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Post Post #189 (ISO) » Wed Jan 23, 2008 10:34 am

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Yup, posting.

Also, still fairly happy with my vote where it is at the moment. I don't have any problem with any of zu_faul's posts so far, but he also hasn't done anything that makes me think he's any less likely to be scum; scum could certanly make all the posts he has so far. I would like to hear that "more detailed analysis" he promised back on the 19th, for starters.
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Post Post #190 (ISO) » Wed Jan 23, 2008 11:14 am

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Why hasn't AniX been replaced yet?
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Post Post #191 (ISO) » Thu Jan 24, 2008 6:59 am

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Nocmen wrote:I knew that the random stage for me had ended when I started suspecting NN. However, I did not realize that I had left my vote on him from random when I FoSed him. By the time I realized it however, he was no longer at the top of my suspicion.
Possible distancing from NN.
Gorrad wrote:Ok, I've reread, and here's my top 3 scumlist:

1. Nocem: Over-cautious, bad posting
2. Draux: Bad posting
3. Porochaz: Lurking

Vote: Nocem


If y'all want more elaboration, just ask. It's only four pages, though, and I really haven't seen any GOOD posts from Nocem or Draux.
I think that was a bit early for "Oh look, I suspect this one and this on and this one, I'll jump on any bandwagon which forms on any of these three." (which is what he did with his nextp ost he change his wagon).
NabakovNabakov wrote:
Nocmen wrote:I made my argument a little back towards Nabakov, but it was mostly to go about testing the waters to see how everyone would respond. I realized later though that I still had my random vote on him, so i went and unvoted. Towards Draux, as mentioned in my last post, I find him somewhat scummy in his "is random voting over" post. However, this sort of looks like the style Draux plays with, so I really can't infer anything from that.

Basically, I'm stuck here saying that I want to see more regarding Draux and Nabakov before I think either is scummy. If anything, I want to look more towards Yosarian and Porochaz, as something just seems off about their posts.
Wait, are you still holding over that bullshit point you brought up against me on Page 2? What more would you like to see of me?
Distancing.
Nocmen wrote:Draux, your last post says to me that you are just trying to avoid saying what others said. I see that as overly cautious scum. I take back what I said before, I'm pretty certain about this now.

Vote: Draux
I don't see this at overly cautious.
Qman wrote:Over half the game has been rule talk, and trying to figure out what rules were broken. I think I know why Kab got modkilled, but I can't go into it because of my own rule breaking, so much is the pity.
Yes, over half the game was rule talk. That's bad and doesn't leave much room for analysis.
I think you're scum holding back information we could use. You posted it because you either didn't think about it much or because you want your scumbuddy(buddies) to remind you at night to tell them the rule.
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Vote: Nocmen
for theory hiding (though i can't really blame him)
Hypocrisy! You're also theory hiding and therefore voteworthy. Also, you're weakening your own vote in an efford of making your vote look less like a scum vote.
Qman is also guilty of wild bandwagon jumping (7 posts, four votes, four unvotes). Wants to seem like participating but also not pushing for anyone in particular.

Vote: Qman


Go reread his psots if you don't think this is enough on him. I was surprised as well by my analysis as I expected Nocmen and NabakovNabakov to come up as most guilty, which was my first impression.
Yosarian2 wrote:So, I guess we should try to figure out the other, secret, rules, so people are not randomally "punished" in some obscure way by the mod for breaking them? I can't imagine random people being randomally modkilled/roleblocked/getting post restrictions/losing their ability to vote or whatever is likely to be good the town.
On the one hand, this seems right. It's probably not good enough for town. On the other hand... it's not good for scum either. If the whole day is wasted (as there has to be a deadline some time) with more or less worthless discussion about rules we'll have a very hard time finding out without breaking them, then only scum win.
FoS: Yos2



Also, AniX needs a kick in the butt.

So much for now.
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Post Post #192 (ISO) » Thu Jan 24, 2008 7:32 am

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zu_Faul wrote:
Yosarian2 wrote:So, I guess we should try to figure out the other, secret, rules, so people are not randomally "punished" in some obscure way by the mod for breaking them? I can't imagine random people being randomally modkilled/roleblocked/getting post restrictions/losing their ability to vote or whatever is likely to be good the town.
On the one hand, this seems right. It's probably not good enough for town. On the other hand... it's not good for scum either. If the whole day is wasted (as there has to be a deadline some time) with more or less worthless discussion about rules we'll have a very hard time finding out without breaking them, then only scum win.
FoS: Yos2
Kind of taking that out of context, you know.

Notice that that was my first post of the game, back on the first page of the game, when no one else had done anything other then random voting. So, it's not like I was trying to figure out the rules when we should have been looking for scum, like you're trying to imply. There WAS really nothing that had happened yet that would allow us to figure out who the scum was, so I was instead trying to get a handle on what the proper pro-town stratagy for this game should be, which is something that is ALWAYS a good idea when playing a theme game with unusual rules. And I was also trying to get some kind of non-random discussion going, which is definatly in the town's best interest at that point in the game; franky, in a game moving this slow, trying to get a discussion going on any game-related topic at any point is a pro-town action.

And I also can never understand why people seem to assume that we can EITHER discuss stratagy OR scumhunt, that discussing stratagy somehow stops us from hunting scum. Most good theme games involve the town constantly trying to both find scum and figure out how to use the unusual setup to their advantage, or at least to try and minimise the harm the unusual rules might do to the town.
I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie
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Post Post #193 (ISO) » Thu Jan 24, 2008 8:17 am

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Yos wrote:And I also can never understand why people seem to assume that we can EITHER discuss stratagy OR scumhunt, that discussing stratagy somehow stops us from hunting scum. Most good theme games involve the town constantly trying to both find scum and figure out how to use the unusual setup to their advantage, or at least to try and minimise the harm the unusual rules might do to the town.
In theory, I agree. But pratically it get's either too confusing or people are simply refunsing to do both at the same time. Or they get carried away.
Yos wrote:franky, in a game moving this slow, trying to get a discussion going on any game-related topic at any point is a pro-town action.
You couldn't know then that it was going to be slow-moving.


Sorry if my post was a bit confusing, with the order and everything. But though it may have been your first post, it
could
have been scum trying to misdirect us from the beginning. And you
could
have tried to strangle every effort for scumhunting in a subtle manner before it even started. In a way that is what happened, though I don't blame that on you.
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Post Post #194 (ISO) » Thu Jan 24, 2008 8:58 am

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Definitely posting. I disagree with pretty much everything in ZF's last couple of posts.
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Post Post #195 (ISO) » Thu Jan 24, 2008 9:35 am

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I liked ZF's last post, but as Yos pointed out, a good amount of his first post was taken out of context.
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Post Post #196 (ISO) » Thu Jan 24, 2008 11:04 am

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zu_Faul wrote: Sorry if my post was a bit confusing, with the order and everything. But though it may have been your first post, it
could
have been scum trying to misdirect us from the beginning.
How could I have been trying to "misdirect" the town? I saw someone that someone had broken a rule, and so I first decided that it's better if the town figures out what the rules are, and then tried to figure out what rule he broke. I was even taking a risk while doing so, as I thought there might be a chance that there might be a rule against speculating about what the rules were.

Which post do you think would be more helpful to the town; my first post, or a contentless random vote? Because those were really the only two options I had at that point, and everyone else was just random voting.
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Post Post #197 (ISO) » Thu Jan 24, 2008 11:12 am

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Third option: Post where ypu say that it's not helpful to guess rules randomly (which is all we could do then). Do you think random guesses are better than random votes?
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Post Post #198 (ISO) » Thu Jan 24, 2008 11:56 am

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zu_Faul wrote:Third option: Post where ypu say that it's not helpful to guess rules randomly (which is all we could do then). Do you think random guesses are better than random votes?
(shrug) Nothing random about my guesses, really. Qman made one post, only 7 words long, and no one else had posted when the mod announced a rule had been broken. It was pretty obveous Qman had broken a rule in that one short post, and it didn't seem like there's that many different things it could be; considering that, yeah, I thought it was very worthwhile to try and figure it out, so we could hopefully figure out what to do and what not to do.
I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie
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Post Post #199 (ISO) » Thu Jan 24, 2008 1:19 pm

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post. Also, disagree with zu_faul over the Yos2 FoS. I can't see anything wrong with trying to guess the rules at the start of the game. I don't see it as misdirecting either.
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