In post 156, Nosferatu wrote:i think that if dunn flips red so does blair but not the other way around
I wanted to vote you for this because it makes zero sense, but then I realised I should probably townread you for it for exactly that reason.
Wait, actually, I thought about it more and it does make sense. It's like when someone checks someone else with the identity thing in secret hitler and claims the other person is liberal (town). The person making the check could still be fascist (scum) while the person being checked is liberal, but if the person being checked is fascist, then the checker has to be fascist.
Does that work for reads like it does for mechanics? Maybe. Elaborate if you can please.
u never heard of associative reads bro?
Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 2:42 pm
by ready2rock
UNVOTE:
Right now I'm not liking BM all that much. He's claiming that he had both town and scum tells from midway, but I only ever saw him give midway the least charitable reading possible and sounded very sure midway was scum (see: his iso read at 110) until he decided to push someone else, then suddenly he was having a slight town read on midway all along
VOTE: Battle Mage
@BM What specifically gives you any town vibes on midway? And when, if at all, did your read change?
That all being said I don't like Nosferatu's entrance into the game all that much either, very combative
Happy birthday Umlaut!
Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 2:47 pm
by Umlaut
Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 3:16 pm
by Blair
Happy birthday, Umlaut!
FoS: Ready2Rock
Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 3:59 pm
by Nosferatu
In post 176, ready2rock wrote:That all being said I don't like Nosferatu's entrance into the game all that much either, very combative
ill fight u on that
whats bad about being combative
Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 5:47 pm
by Ydrasse
In post 157, midwaybear wrote:I’m not really sure how much BM actually believes in his Nosferatu push. It feels like a dumb push to make.
my question is: are dumb pushes more prone to come from town or scum though.
In post 158, Ydrasse wrote:bm i feel it's... a bit much to expect the second a person show up they lay out a grand platter of stuff for us to chew upon.
You're misrepping me - I haven't said I expected that. But let me remind you of the sequence of events...
i feel like this is going to devolve in a pedantic back and forth because i don't see it as a misrep fmpov.
1) what makes post 31 awkward? i don't really see how it feels out of place.
2) the way you're viewing post 42 feels at odds with your view on post 39. isn't midway outing a towny gutread being liberal with his allegiences?
In post 120, Ydrasse wrote:also i'm admittedly not great at gauging people when it comes to meta/going through old games but midway doesn't feel as aloof/combatative as he did last game when pressure was applied to him. i think that the top of 113 is a bit aggressive but other than that it feels sort of relaxed in comparison?
In post 159, Ydrasse wrote:that being said, nosferatu, why do you say that about dunn/blair? i didn't take anything away from their exchange personally.
these posts all rub me the wrong way, just something about askind other people these questions when there's not much out there looks IMO like busywork, it's the kind of thing i'd expect from scum figuring out how to settle in early phase
but this is minor stuff so we can work on it
i am willing to accept the L (and use less question marks when i'm not really asking questions)
Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 5:56 pm
by Ydrasse
i think i understand nosferatu's stance on dunn/blair a bit better but i might also be no thoughts, head empty.
In post 157, midwaybear wrote:I’m not really sure how much BM actually believes in his Nosferatu push. It feels like a dumb push to make.
The first sentence may be fair. The second is not, and I would like you to explain it. I am a firm believer in the value of putting people under pressure and seeing how they react, and also getting people to put some words out there, and not just lurk and avoid scrutiny. It's objectively pro-town and the right thing to do, irrespective of my alignment, so I'm surprised to see you dismiss it off-hand.
In post 158, Ydrasse wrote:bm i feel it's... a bit much to expect the second a person show up they lay out a grand platter of stuff for us to chew upon.
You're misrepping me - I haven't said I expected that. But let me remind you of the sequence of events...
In post 100, Blair wrote:Dunnstral put you at L-1, then a mere six minutes later, thought
"ehh, maybe not..."
then voted for Puppy instead, and made it look like an innocent opportunity to make a joke with Puppy username in the process. It felt a little too self conscious to me to be genuine.
lmfao who's the third?
VOTE: ready2rock
^ Not clear what the question above means, or why he voted where he did (although could be random, not necessarily, and worth asking). It does seem though, from the post he picked out, that he has likely been following/read at least some of the game.
This is his only contribution and then he goes away for a bit.
I show up to ask for a bit more explanation of his only post:
In post 100, Blair wrote:Dunnstral put you at L-1, then a mere six minutes later, thought
"ehh, maybe not..."
then voted for Puppy instead, and made it look like an innocent opportunity to make a joke with Puppy username in the process. It felt a little too self conscious to me to be genuine.
lmfao who's the third?
VOTE: ready2rock
excuse me?
UNVOTE:
VOTE: nosferatu
Rather than responding and giving any more comment to allow anyone to evaluate his slot, or to put his own opinions out there to influence the discussion, he is evasive and dismisses my question:
In post 100, Blair wrote:Dunnstral put you at L-1, then a mere six minutes later, thought
"ehh, maybe not..."
then voted for Puppy instead, and made it look like an innocent opportunity to make a joke with Puppy username in the process. It felt a little too self conscious to me to be genuine.
lmfao who's the third?
VOTE: ready2rock
excuse me?
UNVOTE:
VOTE: nosferatu
ur excused
Subsequently, I follow up by reiterating that question and pressing him for more opinion/comment.
In post 153, Battle Mage wrote:Nosferatu hadnt posted for ages, and when they did turn up (only after being threatened with replacement), they posted nothing useful and didn't want to engage in a dialogue to help sort their slot. It's what I call the road to rome special.
lmao i wasn't threatened with replacement, i was in the process of being replace and i happened remember i signed up for this in time to not get replaced.
In post 100, Blair wrote:Dunnstral put you at L-1, then a mere six minutes later, thought
"ehh, maybe not..."
then voted for Puppy instead, and made it look like an innocent opportunity to make a joke with Puppy username in the process. It felt a little too self conscious to me to be genuine.
lmfao who's the third?
VOTE: ready2rock
wtf is this? ELABORATE
In post 100, Blair wrote:Dunnstral put you at L-1, then a mere six minutes later, thought
"ehh, maybe not..."
then voted for Puppy instead, and made it look like an innocent opportunity to make a joke with Puppy username in the process. It felt a little too self conscious to me to be genuine.
ur telling me that blair geniunely believes dunn took back a L-1 vote cause he was feeling self conscious?
thats crazy bro
Battle Mage wrote:Nosferatu - what's your thinking on the game so far? do you have any reads/views?
i think that if dunn flips red so does blair but not the other way around
Ok, why arent you voting Blair then? Is that post really the only thing you want to comment on? FWIW I basically agree with Ydrasse assessment in #159.
Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2020 3:08 am
by CantHateAPuppy
VOTE: Noseferatu
I don't have any strong reads and I want to sheep on this for a big
In post 102, midwaybear wrote:I was thinking your strong reaction was based on him quickhammering/almost quickhammering me because he does that a lot as scum.
You acknowledging this makes your earlier arguing look weird
Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2020 3:37 am
by innocentvillager
Dunn he's not even close to L-1
You're using adjectives like weird, awkward. Can you go into more detail and explain why it's actually a scumtell?
Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2020 3:59 am
by midwaybear
Meh the reasoning for voting BM was ok, but I do agree that the jab at Nosferatu was pretty scummy.
I'm liking puppy for puppy last few posts, but idk why.
Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2020 4:07 am
by midwaybear
In post 168, Mafia Goon wrote:Inen is probably town for this. It takes some real perspective shifting to fabricate this line of thought. I'm disappointed, Inen; we would make good scum partners.
Can you explain what you mean by perspective shift? I do townlean IV, but I don't understand how you derived it from the posts you quoted.
In post 174, CantHateAPuppy wrote:i missed you too buddy! have you solved the game yet? oh god please say yes
Why do you expect mafia goon to solve the game? I can't really tell if you're serious about this, but you have asked mafia goon this at least once before too.
In post 180, Ydrasse wrote:my question is: are dumb pushes more prone to come from town or scum though.
My take on what Nosferatu means about Blair/Dunn is that Blair's push on Dunn didn't make sense and thus might have been too informed. However, I think Blair raised a fair point. Also, do you still scumread me blair?
Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2020 4:21 am
by CantHateAPuppy
I expect Mafi to solve the game because he's town and my plan is to lurk and take all the credit. I thought I was clear about this
Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2020 4:23 am
by Mafia Goon
You doubt my gamesolving abilities, midway? It'll be your first and last mistake.
To answer your question, Launchy: Yes, I have solved the game, but it wouldn't be fair to everyone if I just spilled the beans now. I want everyone else to have some fun first before I end the game you know.
VOTE: redrock
Why is being combative scummy?
Pedit: IF you're my partner, Launchy, you can just say. No one will take you seriously and this game will become a lot easier.
I forgot what page I last read to and ended up reading page 7 on accident