Wait, what? JFC.In post 16999, Nero Cain wrote:I mean Vecna continuing to call the scum team barbarians was a slip and not continuing to push him was my only mistake this game.
that this as a recent example.In post 17518, Vecna wrote:Too bad thats now over.
^RadiantCowbells wrote:Who says that the scum team is barbarians though?
apparently it was something Ceasar is saying and Vecna agreeing with him and me remembering him say that thing is apparently me lying?In post 17528, RadiantCowbells wrote:Who says that the scum team is barbarians though?
So all this shading of my plan, and you come up with a plan where you expect people can suddenly change their build submissions after they see a flip? You make a plan where you dont even build the doctor wonder? You build a plan that if we lynch town today its INSTANTLY game over?In post 17406, MathBlade wrote:@nancy yep. I think announcing intent is always important.
@Nero Cain the Yuri wagon not going through is odd.
Nero Cain -- gets lynched
If Nero is scum
Leonshade << Builds Big Ben, investigates LUV OR Red Fort investigate Vecna.
Gorkington << dies via vig shot. Confirms Alisae or Creature as town if town. Means neither should be voted tomorrow. Anyone healing Gorkington is scumclaiming. Don't submit for anything.
RadiantCowbells << Builds vig, shoot Gorkat nightif you get it OR Big Ben investigate Gork.
Caesar Wills It << builds vig, shoot Gorkat nightif you get it.
Lil Uzi Vert << Build Forbidden Palace.
CloudKicker << Builds Big Ben, investigates LUV.
nancy << builds vig, shoot Gorkat nightif you get it.
Creature >> Roleblock Vecna.
Vecna >> Do nothing.
Dave >> Parity cop Vecna and LUV.
Alisae >> Neighborize someone you trust.
Order of reveals
All claim what wonders they gotbut not results
LUV builds Forbidden Palace and if LUV has it uses it to townfirm himself. Caesar is scumfirm at that point. We keep going.
Big Ben outs investigation on LUV if LUV is not immediately confirmed as Forbidden Palace. If LUV has it then LUV is scumfirm. If LUV does not have it then Caesar is not getting lynched tomorrow.
Dave outs results on LUV and Vecna.
Vig builder if Gork is not dead pokes Senpai hard.
Best case scenario: We get Alisae/Creature at least one town, scumfirm Caesar or LUV, determine Vecna's alignment in relation to LUV. Narrows scum teams down tremendously.
Worst case scenario: Scum fuck with the submission of one player and the wonder goes to scum. Based on the priority list we can determine who did not get the said wonder and then poke them. It would confirm forbidden palace in play which would confirm Caesar is telling the truth but at least some of this gets through.
If Nero is town
Leonshade << Builds Red Fort investigates Vecna.
Gorkington << Builds Big Ben investigates LUV
RadiantCowbells << Builds Big Ben, investigates LUV OR Neighborizing wonder with me and Alisae OR Builds Vig and doesn't shoot
Caesar Wills It << builds vig, shoot no one if you get it.
Lil Uzi Vert << Build Forbidden Palace.
CloudKicker << Builds Big Ben, investigates LUV.
nancy << builds vig, shoot no one if you get it.
Creature >> Roleblock Vecna.
Vecna >> Do nothing.
Dave >> Parity cop LUV and myself.
Alisae >> Neighborize someone you trust.
Order of reveals
All claim what wonders they gotbut not resultsEXCEPT THE VIG.
LUV builds Forbidden Palace immediately if town and LUV has it and becomes townfirmed. Caesar is scumfirm at that point. We keep going.
Big Ben outs investigation on LUV if LUV is not Forbidden Palace.
Dave outs results on Gork and myself.
To be clear, I'm townreading RC. I just agreed to the bussing idea as an "even if RC is scum" hypothetical alternative.In post 17285, Nero Cain wrote:Well, after the Kid mislynch yesterday Nancy claimed that RC was scum and was bussing me. Today both Leon and Ali are sheeping that theory. Then when I said I wanted the vig to shoot RC Nancy was like "oh we can't let Nero get the vig" And I think Vecna wants me dead to buddy Math. I mean his words are that he wants to get town to gel again but he's just really buddying Math. And LUV wants to sheep RC b/c "reputation"In post 17267, PeregrineV wrote:Is there 1 case on Nero, or 4 cases? I would like to read and evaluate them.
You cannot change wonders after flips. this puzzle wouldve been EASY if you could. Its not that easy.In post 17448, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:If Nero flips town:
Big Ben: Vecna
Ruhr Valley: Leon
Great Zimbabwe: Dave & Notice
If Nero flips scum
Big Ben: Ceasar
Ruhr Valley: Cloud
Great Zimbabwe: Dave & RC
Now to determine which one is worth it...
It's possible, I'm just not putting much stock in it, myself. But then I'm already voting Nero anyway.In post 17532, RadiantCowbells wrote:I would actually believe that honestly
Talking about holes, why are you voting RC while you pretty much know that theres likely a great wall in Nero/Nancy? Or do you expect there to be a leaning tower somewhere?In post 17468, davesaz wrote:That's a big hole as someone widely townread but scum could take vig, claim to shoot math, which implies creature blocked me or I lied, and town loses.In post 17442, nancy wrote:There's no world in which scum block you over davesaz tonight. Blocking you would out davesaz and Creature as scum.
Its either Nero scum or RC + Nancy scum.In post 17489, davesaz wrote:The most accurate answer is, I don't see a case on Nero. RC could be right, or scum trying to strongarm. Nero could be scum, or he's town asking the exact same question I am. Vecna and you are both creating plans which could be the straw that breaks either scum or town's back.
1 or 2 scum in Nero, Math, Vecna, RC. I've said it before and I'm saying it again for posterity.
What is RC's case on me Leon?In post 17536, Leonshade wrote:At this point I believe RC that he was reading the game prior and already had the read on you anyway. I also believe that he replaced in to this game in an attempt to get the bragging rights of saving town from a losing game. There's nothing to brag about in replacing to a game scum is winning anyway and... continuing to win.
Of course RC couldn't choose his alignment, but I believe those were his motivations coming in.
Ok so I said it once......10.000 posts ago. How is your memory this selective that you remember that little detail, but ignore pretty much every other thing I say?In post 17497, Nero Cain wrote:In post 4597, Vecna wrote:Barbarians most likely.In post 4591, Creature wrote:Are scum like Dinossaurs or Aliens?so yes you were doing it. I just REMEMBERED you and not Ceasar.In post 6533, Vecna wrote:I stand corrected and apologize for my mistake, it appears the length and quantity of conversation within the senate has started impeding my memory. At least I can continue to be pleased with your observations on most other people. However I still fail to see how you think it reasonable to assume that I am allied to the barbarian named as rampage.In post 6527, Caesar Wills It wrote:Traitor Vecna, seek not to tarnish Our name with your lies and falsehoods! We find your dishonesty most treacherous and vile.
As the Senate record will show, We did in fact condemn then-Senator Rampage in the Senate's first session. Further, the records provided by the Exchequer will demonstrate that not once have We expressed a surety of the criminal Rampage's loyalty. Rather, We have found him suspicious from Our first mention of him.
We challenge the heathen Vecna to demonstrate evidence to the contrary, and to produce the scrolls upon which We allegedly vouched for Senator Rampage's good intents.
Time will show the truth, lets just hope that the actual barbarians havent already managed to pillage rome when this comes to pass.
Ask him, not me.In post 17542, Nero Cain wrote:What is RC's case on me Leon?In post 17536, Leonshade wrote:At this point I believe RC that he was reading the game prior and already had the read on you anyway. I also believe that he replaced in to this game in an attempt to get the bragging rights of saving town from a losing game. There's nothing to brag about in replacing to a game scum is winning anyway and... continuing to win.
Of course RC couldn't choose his alignment, but I believe those were his motivations coming in.
LUV doesn't give a damn.In post 17543, Leonshade wrote:it would be much easier if LUV just agreed to play ball.
Oh you even called it a slip in that post. See I didnt even realize you were talking about a flavour slip untill now.In post 17497, Nero Cain wrote:In post 4597, Vecna wrote:Barbarians most likely.In post 4591, Creature wrote:Are scum like Dinossaurs or Aliens?so yes you were doing it. I just REMEMBERED you and not Ceasar.In post 6533, Vecna wrote:I stand corrected and apologize for my mistake, it appears the length and quantity of conversation within the senate has started impeding my memory. At least I can continue to be pleased with your observations on most other people. However I still fail to see how you think it reasonable to assume that I am allied to the barbarian named as rampage.In post 6527, Caesar Wills It wrote:Traitor Vecna, seek not to tarnish Our name with your lies and falsehoods! We find your dishonesty most treacherous and vile.
As the Senate record will show, We did in fact condemn then-Senator Rampage in the Senate's first session. Further, the records provided by the Exchequer will demonstrate that not once have We expressed a surety of the criminal Rampage's loyalty. Rather, We have found him suspicious from Our first mention of him.
We challenge the heathen Vecna to demonstrate evidence to the contrary, and to produce the scrolls upon which We allegedly vouched for Senator Rampage's good intents.
Time will show the truth, lets just hope that the actual barbarians havent already managed to pillage rome when this comes to pass.
Youre right, apparently its not. I had already forgotten about that stuff. The fact you remembered or made a note about it to use against me later is rather telling though.In post 17501, Nero Cain wrote:I assume your argument here will be "but he said it and I was just piggybacking." but its NOT a lie that you've been saying it.