I am so curious as to how fairy was more townread than me, since this is literally only true if floo is scum
Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2021 5:39 pm
by Prism
In post 1773, quiet wrote:See here's the thing about that, though, is I'd expect them to be pushing you at this point if that was the case. Like, I'd expect the floo vs. Prism thing to have emerged at this point, and it really hasn't. Is my intuition way off there?
In post 1774, quiet wrote:Like in a townSpartian world where they're trying to get spartian to vote you, doesn't someone, anyone, jump on board my paranoia trip?
We got floo coming in with the plausable shade, but that feels soft compared to what could have happened earlier today to support townSpartian's suspicion on you, to fuel the fire of a floo vs Prism spartian re-enact 300 defend floo from an army of Prisms type situation.
I lean that Spartan is scum right now over flow trap, if you're wondering.
It's hard for me vs. floo to emerge when floo just posted for the first time and I've spent the day checking into the other 3 slots first.
Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2021 5:41 pm
by Prism
My interpretation of your last sentence of 1744 is that Spartan town would be met with someone pushing him more towards me.
floo just posted for the first time, you did ask explicitly but we'll assume you're town since this is your point, and the last person left is flow trap. I think flow trap is showing a good amount of restraint today as scum but they have not exactly been a giant advocate either way, and given Spartan scumreads flow trap I don't think they'd want to be.
Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2021 5:45 pm
by quiet
I was indulging in the townSpartan world for the context of determining you not getting killed. I think I've decided that a floo/flow trap team trying to set up today for a spartan misvote on you to win doesn't really seem to fit, because if that was indeed the case, there's no reason my bout of paranoia wouldn't have been used as additional evidence to try to get spartan to vote that way. Floo did sort of do that, but honestly, I do think that flow trap could have gotten away with pushing on my paranoia more if the goal of not killing you was to get spartan to vote there. I don't particularly think that setting up spartian to miselim you was the purpose of the night kill, I guess, is my conclusion from this; for that particular combo, seems easier just to think it would be to get a towny, doc dodging, perspective flow trap voter out of the way.
Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2021 5:48 pm
by quiet
I do wonder if there's any evidence of any kind of positioning in today's posts, however.
For me, the highest value interactions/associatives that I feel will help me sort best are between spartian and floo, which we still havn't really gotten.
@floo if you are still reading, popping in to give even flash impressions of spartian would be really pro town to me right now, and help get my brain working.
Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2021 5:48 pm
by Prism
I don't really think what flow trap
would
do as scum here is clear to me, other than not vote yet. They do the same as town.
I'm more hoping that at some point they do something that is clearly what scum flow trap
wouldn't
do, but if I have to sort around them, I have to sort around them.
Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2021 6:00 pm
by Prism
Revisiting this I'm dying
In post 1548, floo wrote:Prism: High effort is my first impression. At the end of D2 I see a (perhaps pretended) annoyance running under his strategy, impairing it at times. I sometimes get the feeling that he imagines himself as the town superhero savior. Influential in organizing votes, reads have changed considerably - a suspicious event was the sudden flow trap threatened vote (that wasn't really an actual scumread) and backing off now. The level of effort and attempted scumhunting is impressive though and balances out the scummy deviations for a nullread.
Would need to see which of his pushes bear fruit to town/scumlean this slot.
This is literally the end of Day 2. The only person I've been shoving all day at this point is floo other than cajoling flow trap.
Literally everything about the "town superhero" bit is just trying to disincentivize voting with me without actually tackling my argument.
Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2021 6:03 pm
by Prism
To be more explicit, the reason the bolded is absurd is that it is not exactly a mystery to be solved in the future for floo. The "fruit of my pushes" would be a floo townflip.
Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2021 6:07 pm
by Prism
Eh I guess I was also trying to get Frederick to play the game way before, Day 2 was an adventure
Alright that's enough conf bias for the moment, I've probably done enough reading for now and should just pick back up tomorrow
Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2021 6:27 pm
by fferyllt
Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2021 9:27 pm
by quiet
mmmm volcanos are the best. I recently found something I wrote when I was 5 that said when I grew up, I wanted to study volcanos for a living, and possibly have a house and kids. But the volcanos was clearly the important bit. Maybe I should get back to that.
@prism when you pick up, I'd be curious for your assessment on a spartan/floo team. It seems decently in play to me, I do think it's feasable that Spartan TRs a scumbuddy, especially as they have accused both me and you of doing the same.
I'm not necessarily trying to solve the game today, I'm just hunting within those three, and associatives I think are a viable reason to find a vote. At the end of today, I want my vote to be on the person I both think is most likely to be a scum, and a part of that is viable partner equity, though frankly, flow trap's existence makes partner equity a challenging thing as flow trap can get with anyone and not break my brain.
@floo, @spartian, hope things are going well. Still trying to sort you two, still feeling decently scummy on you both, and am interested in why it would be dumb of me to suspect you two as partners.
@flow trap, do you like volcanos? Am I being dumb to consider those two as partners?
Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2021 1:47 am
by flow trap
In post 1785, quiet wrote:@flow trap, do you like volcanos? Am I being dumb to consider those two as partners?
Yes & No
If it comes down to Prism v Floo, I'm
highly
requesting Quiet/Spartan to
not
place votes until I do; it will basically have the same outcome but protect against a Spartan+Prism/Floo+Quiet team
Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2021 2:44 am
by flow trap
Part 4 and the last part on Day 1
Spoiler:
Pages 31-End of Day 1:
I rescind my Salsafairy TR claim for a “Leaning Scum but not open to shoot category.” I still PRR them which is why I did this, and also couldn’t explain it. I didn’t want them to be nightkilled, but I also didn’t want to shoot them. Quiet makes their chain of contribution after joining their first is actually kind of distancy as 3 out of the 4 people they talk about are neutral, weak, or confusing. Salsafairy has some poor interactions with Enchant, maybe they (enchant) were too confusing to them (SF). I found the Enchant condemn discussion kind of pointless (especially in hindsight now that they flipped town), which is why I decided to focus elsewhere. Salsaprincess has no read on enchant which is scummy, so if anything there’s that. Quiet says they also TR Zoomer, which I will bring up later, if I feel this pans out. Spartan still says I’m not helpful which was hurtful (pun intended), not to mention I don’t like the “I can’t get any hold on them so they’re sus” card, but I guess it’s NAI. Quiet (probably accidentally) strawmans me on 824, NP there though.
In post 832, quiet wrote:Flow, hop on board the enchant train. Come on. You know you want to.
I found this post towny as I have previously seen town say that. I don’t see anything of importance for a while, excluding a convo I don’t want to talk about. Salsafairy ignores me a lot before even saying they were going to ignore me, which sucks but it is what it is. At this point I’m just done with them for a while. Luckily Quiet diffuses the situation; still not sure if it’s mafia niceness or normal character. Quiet & Prism tag team and TR each other, would they do this as SvS, probably not, not out of the question. Prism calls out Quiet a bit later which decreases the chances imo. I agree with Quiet’s response. I don’t remember why I voted Salsa on 954, probably a last ditch effort for a reaction at that point. Still don’t think anything to do with the end of the round Enchant discussion is readable (for me anyways). It’s very easy for anyone to do anything there. Which is basically what Floo said on their third to last post on day 1.
Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2021 6:46 am
by quiet
In post 1786, flow trap wrote:If it comes down to Prism v Floo, I'm highly requesting Quiet/Spartan to not place votes until I do; it will basically have the same outcome but protect against a Spartan+Prism/Floo+Quiet team
Wait can I vote on floo though? Cause as things stand, that's my highest frequency vote.
But frankly, I have so little interest in voting and instalosing. Not exactly sure the best way to handle voting; I'm just not going to do it for a long while.
Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2021 9:09 am
by floo
In post 1638, Prism wrote:If you're worried about me making the NK you don't have to.
That kill is outright against
my philosophy
for playing the mafia alignment, which is
explicitly shooting people that I think won't get voted
. I'll try to dig up a few posts that confirm that if you want.
Still unclear to me why you (quiet) think the kill doesn't make sense. I get that you said you're thinking on it still but that's a strong claim.
Mafia team here prefers to kill widely townread players
instead of aggressive posters. That suggests that the scum have the confidence, determination, and perceived skill to attack and defend well in LYLO or other high-stakes situations. Perhaps because they are the aggressive players themselves.
This is a nice roundabout way of calling me scum lmao, proud of you
(bold added)
hmm
Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2021 9:42 am
by Prism
The first is talking about a world in which Prism is scum
The second is talking about the world at large.
I am the person who stood in the way of Salsabil slot getting voted yesterday. That slot was 100% voteable if I'm scum, and much more difficult if I'm not.
I'm at work and will get to you later quiet but I touched on Spartan/floo in and 1712/1776
Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2021 9:43 am
by Prism
VOTE: floo
Let's dance. I think this is willfully malicious and I'm going to call you on it.
Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2021 9:49 am
by Prism
If you're doctor you need to claim it before the scum can coordinate a blitz btw
Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2021 9:55 am
by quiet
well, polarization time. If no quickhammer, we live in a floo v. prism world.
I won't be voting until this is resolved, but I don't absolutely hate it. A world where Prism + floo are town seems unlikely? I think? Floo, if you are town, you better start spewing ASAP.
There's practically no world where an unvote happens in time, correct?
Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2021 9:58 am
by quiet
Doing this while you are at work feels impressively committed. I think I prefer waiting just a little longer, frankly; I still havn't seen what I wanted to from Spartian, or from floo either for that matter.
Floo, if you are town, those last couple of posts did absolutely not give me that vibe.
My preference is an unvote, Prism, at least until after I hear from spartian. A request, not a command; your vote may be the better play, and I don't want to do this close to the deadline. Just where I'm at.
Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2021 10:00 am
by quiet
This is not saying I don't want a floo vote or I'm not suspicious there, more that I would like another day. Idk, spartian + flow trap is on the table for me, even if not high frequency.
G2H my solution in floo + spartian today, but I'm doing the thing where I SR inactivity again, which is a read I'm trying to purge from my system.
Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2021 10:01 am
by quiet
*would like another day of IRL time, not another day of in game time. As in, I'd like to give spartian another 24 hours to post, and floo a chance to answer one, some, really any of the questions raised.
Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2021 10:03 am
by Prism
We have 5 days. This only ends if we're both town. I strongly, STRONGLY doubt it.
I have plenty I want to hear from Spartan, specifically, why the fuck he's gone to bat for floo all game long with no reasoning, and plenty more from flow trap-we're still waiting on his conclusions.
Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2021 10:06 am
by Prism
I also don't think flow trap's voting scheme is the worst, I want him to take a clear stance as opposed to hammersitting
as long as Spartan and quiet both understand that a floo trap scum voting one way does not mean vote the opposite.
Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2021 10:08 am
by Prism
I also disagree on flow trap/Spartan, which is part of why I'm voting. Spartan was around yesterday explicitly for the possibility of flipping to flow trap. Just doesn't post and goes to bed as scum/scum.
