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Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2021 6:13 pm
by Gamma Emerald
tw basically homed in on the wrong bits of my reads/completely misinterpreted my points so that’s a feelsbadman
Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2021 6:15 pm
by the worst
In post 1798, unwnd wrote: In post 1790, the worst wrote:i kind of tried to explain it to you pretty early on. i don't have a strong idea of your scumgame necessarily, but i have an idea of what i expect from scum!unwnd, and i don't feel like you're tapping into your manipulative toolset here. you're kind of taking your time and slowly inhaling information, digesting it, and just leaving behind thoughts as you go and it feels quite natural. i know you're fairly capable of forcing logical reads when required, but you don't really feel forced at all? you're kinda just around the place, bouncing stuff off people, forming reads at your own pace - you've felt natural. it also feels like you're just actually interested in talking to people in the list, not trying to pocket or work an angle. i wouldn't say you're someone who's gotten by without pressure - without MUCH pressure, sure, but you've had your fair share of attention and a little bit of the spotlight and i don't feel like it's fatigued you really. it's fatiguing being ever-present as scum. you just feel more unwnd than you usually do here and intuition tells me that's a towntell.
or like, you're scum who's going all out on imitating some kind of smooth-but-not-real-super-towny version of what people might expect your towngame to be on day one of a 13p game. which is like, fine it can be done but it doesn't feel like there's much point to it. like if you are scum you're putting a bunch of effort into just.. vibing. i don't really think that's something i associate with your scumgame all that much.
Appreciate the thoroughness but the only interjection I have is
You voted Pooky or at least hinted towards it once. Pooky is one of my main aggregators here. I don't really treat myself as an elimination option because I typically have good D1s as both alignments. Do you think Pooky is just falsifying his stance on me to seem townier? I think he's capable of working that angle, but like. If I am in your position and I had deep devoted thoughts towards someone who I'm pretty sure is town, I'd either be held aghast by people not seeing what I do or suspect opportunistic scum. I don't feel your criticisms of pooky align with either.
Pedit - Gamma that's not even remotely true. I'm a sweaty slimy scumlord.
i'm not really scumreading pooky atp but i can try and channel my earlier vibe if you'd like? i just felt like his push on me was kinda slimy. i didn't really read his push on you much because i didn't get where he was coming from and like ... kinda didn't care all that much ... he has so many posts and a bunch of them are just shitposting so i glazed over lol
sorry, more importantly. what do you want from me here?
Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2021 6:15 pm
by Gamma Emerald
In post 1798, unwnd wrote:Pedit - Gamma that's not even remotely true. I'm a sweaty slimy scumlord.
Yeah but you’re almost night and day as town vs. as scum
Pifimdm is my receipt proving so.
Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2021 6:16 pm
by the worst
In post 1800, Gamma Emerald wrote:tw basically homed in on the wrong bits of my reads/completely misinterpreted my points so that’s a feelsbadman
i literally don't understand those reads (i think they're our most polarised reads except for dwlee*), hence asking questions about them.
* i kind of get why you can be not townreading dwlee as town so i don't really think it's useful fighting over it i just disagree
Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2021 6:17 pm
by House
In post 1793, the worst wrote:re. house, i don't really see it. in pyp i literally used house as a sounding board on d1 as much as i could because i was like, *certain* he was town and didn't want to interact with slots i wasn't certain on (gotta get that sweet n1 kill u know). i kinda like. wouldn't be surprised if this is his towngame, but i don't really see the similarities. he's felt far lower-energy and kind of flat here. it's not about the 'trying to be less assertive on d1' thing either; i dig that. i just haven't found myself picking up anything house is putting down so far.
That's fair.
I have less energy in general. Work has been rough this week.
Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2021 6:19 pm
by House
I'm about to pass out.
I'll check back in tomorrow afternoon.
Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2021 6:20 pm
by unwnd
@Worst
Nothing. I just wanted to see if you operate the same way I do. If someone in this game went after Gork I'd probably suspect them or think they're delusional.
Nobody suspects Gork. Probably just a townie who scum don't know what to do with. I think what's funny is that Gork isn't really talked about either and that isn't to imply his content is worthwhile. His position was earned just by thread events and it became consensus. I sometimes feel like when I'm town consensus reaches me and then I'm stuck in this state where Gork is. Nobody is checking Gork's content or the validity of it because he's probably town. Yet he's also not leading so they're getting buried regardless.
I don't want the same to happen to me. That makes the game less interesting and while I think Pooks is delusional in his own read of me, at least I have something to fight against. I think most townies wanna prove they're town in some way and with you pretty much in the spotlight I'm just engaging you to see what comes of it.
Gamma Emerald wrote:Pifimdm is my receipt proving so.
I won that game. I also adjust my scumgame based on feedback and results. You underestimate how much I enjoy playing scum.
Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2021 6:22 pm
by unwnd
In post 1806, unwnd wrote:I think what's funny is that Gork isn't really talked about either and that isn't to imply his content
isn't
worthwhile.
Is what this sentence should say. Gork I love your content in this game.
Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2021 6:25 pm
by the worst
sorry this is probably a kind of wild divergence from my last tier list but {pooky, kazyan, dwlee, unwnd} is probably 3-4 town. i might be wrong on openwolf memeing pooky if i'm really really off-point this game but i'm kinda losing any interest in murdering him. otherwise maybe dwlee or kazyan are finessing me but i don't really feel like it as much. unwnd feels like the most unlikely read here but also just. doesn't feel like someone i'm being finessed by.
i really want to put gork in that category and he has like, main character of mini 2241 energy, but u kno
there's this other tier which is probably like {gamma, house, dann} which has one scum in it
and it's gamma
and i don't kno who it is. i think gamma just dropped down my readlist because his reads on house & lld are just so epically hard to relate to. sorry gamma, pretty keen to see you come back with more tomorrow when you have time.
murdercat & navi are fuckin wildcards as explained several times. still think mcat is a splendid yeet, navi is fine but i have a higher level of interest in letting her live.
0-1 scum in {lld, megazu} and i kind of weakly lean towards megazu being town. i just kind of ~got~ megazu's reaction to LLD's replace in.
{pooky, kazy, dwlee, unwnd}
{gork}
{} entire bracket of weak townreads which i just don't have
{house, dann}
{megazu} (flips down if LLD is green)
{mcat, navi} ????
{gamma}
{LLD}
i don't really remember where my vote is
VOTE: LLD
Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2021 6:25 pm
by the worst
In post 1804, House wrote: In post 1793, the worst wrote:re. house, i don't really see it. in pyp i literally used house as a sounding board on d1 as much as i could because i was like, *certain* he was town and didn't want to interact with slots i wasn't certain on (gotta get that sweet n1 kill u know). i kinda like. wouldn't be surprised if this is his towngame, but i don't really see the similarities. he's felt far lower-energy and kind of flat here. it's not about the 'trying to be less assertive on d1' thing either; i dig that. i just haven't found myself picking up anything house is putting down so far.
That's fair.
I have less energy in general. Work has been rough this week.
ditto, been a weird week for the whole world i think. i don't like.. actively think you're scum, i just don't get how people are hard townreading you.
have a good night.
Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2021 6:26 pm
by the worst
this post was hilariously well timed, i was just thinking about how pooky somehow pushed gork out of my confident townreads. lol.
Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2021 6:29 pm
by the worst
i don't really intend to let you slip by unwnd, and i appreciate that you're capable of presence and making sound logical dayplay decisions when playing scum. you can also pull together quite a lot of energy. but i don't think i've seen scum!unwnd as smooth as you are in this game. sorry if that's an insult, i kinda get annoyed when people underestimate my scumrange, but i just think you're just in the town side of that bizarre part of my brain which tries to abstractly read players who are smarter than me
Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2021 6:31 pm
by the worst
now i feel like i'm abstractly complimenting you and i was trying to channel primary school bully vibes this game.. ahhh energy ruined
Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2021 6:32 pm
by unwnd
I think if you flip red you're giving a stink eye to Gamma as a partner or if you're town Gamma looks terrible on your wagon.
So either way your last wishes will be heard.
Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2021 6:33 pm
by MegAzumarill
Gamma why do you think I'm scum?
Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2021 6:35 pm
by unwnd
Right now I'm starting to think you're not scum, just because I think the things you're saying make sense. If this is your own scumplay diverting me then we can end up 50/50. Why do you get into a shitpit with LLD who is able to amass a large crowd and very often get what she wants. You're brave but not stupid.
How hot and bothered do you get as scum? How personal is this affront I mentioned?
Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2021 6:38 pm
by unwnd
Man you don't roll scum very often worst. I'd still like a reference point if you have it.
Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2021 6:44 pm
by the worst
i have some stuff to think about - i need to work before super long but i will be back within 12 hours for some fun.
pedit:
unwnd wrote:Right now I'm starting to think you're not scum, just because I think the things you're saying make sense. If this is your own scumplay diverting me then we can end up 50/50. Why do you get into a shitpit with LLD who is able to amass a large crowd and very often get what she wants. You're brave but not stupid.
How hot and bothered do you get as scum? How personal is this affront I mentioned?
unwnd wrote:Man you don't roll scum very often worst. I'd still like a reference point if you have it.
it's a curse ;(
I have quite a lot of pride, and I really enjoy making dayplay decisions which are seemingly outlandish if it means that I'm less likely to be suspected. ask pooky for the parable of Micro 960 (preferably skipping over the toxic bits).
i adore challenging myself as scum, i adore the stress of mafia, but no. i have limited interest in making pushes which i don't think i have any recourse for which aren't going to go my way. pocketing dwlee isn't valuable enough to go at LLD as soon as she replaces into a game. defending scum partner Dwlee isn't valuable enough to go at LLD as soon as she enters a game (especially given her push against them wasn't very convincing anyway). i get as sweaty as i
need
to as scum, and if i see a hardmode route which i think is objectively likely to improve my position in the daygame, i'll take it. sometimes i make sub-optimal decisions as scum because i damn well feel like it.
so like, as i type this out i'm kind of forced to concede i'm a prideful bastard and me going toe-to-toe with LLD is absolutely consistent with my scumgame. i also benefit from the knowledge that it's not something i would really WANT to do as scum here. so i'm not really going to be able to set your mind, i'm sorry.
Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2021 6:46 pm
by unwnd
Just as a wrap up
Your elim goes through and you wanna Gamma precision nuked at earliest convenience, yes?
Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2021 6:47 pm
by the worst
i'll respond to that within 12 hours, but not right now.
Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2021 7:08 pm
by the worst
yeesh this is hard. i've grabbed a bunch of recent games but after i stopped playing a bunch of mafia in like, 2018-19 i don't really.. roll scum super often anymore :<
it seems i get more scum roles when i replace in, so *waves hands ominously*
Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2021 7:12 pm
by the worst
not super useful: i just remembered i rolled scum on the reboot of that one team mafia game but i didn't really realise how burned out i was after the toxicity of the first rand and i just left for a while.
Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2021 8:02 pm
by Gamma Emerald
In post 1806, unwnd wrote:@Worst
Nothing. I just wanted to see if you operate the same way I do. If someone in this game went after Gork I'd probably suspect them or think they're delusional.
Nobody suspects Gork. Probably just a townie who scum don't know what to do with. I think what's funny is that Gork isn't really talked about either and that isn't to imply his content is worthwhile. His position was earned just by thread events and it became consensus. I sometimes feel like when I'm town consensus reaches me and then I'm stuck in this state where Gork is. Nobody is checking Gork's content or the validity of it because he's probably town. Yet he's also not leading so they're getting buried regardless.
I don't want the same to happen to me. That makes the game less interesting and while I think Pooks is delusional in his own read of me, at least I have something to fight against. I think most townies wanna prove they're town in some way and with you pretty much in the spotlight I'm just engaging you to see what comes of it.
Gamma Emerald wrote:Pifimdm is my receipt proving so.
I won that game. I also adjust my scumgame based on feedback and results. You underestimate how much I enjoy playing scum.
I also nailed the fuck out of you and had I not gotten misvigged I would’ve had your hide.
Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2021 8:03 pm
by Gamma Emerald
Your reads don’t seem natural, neither does how you’ve pushed them
Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2021 8:05 pm
by Gamma Emerald
In post 1813, unwnd wrote:I think if you flip red you're giving a stink eye to Gamma as a partner or if you're town Gamma looks terrible on your wagon.
So either way your last wishes will be heard.
Fuck off.