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I don't see the slip

In post 1896, Gamma Emerald wrote: Wagon logic fishing is trying to draw out reasons to read if you want to be on a push or not
I think it’s doable by both alignments but scum maybe do it in a certain way that is distinct from how town do it

I do remember you saying kaz wagon was town but your logic kinda didn’t go any farther to my knowledge, and the kaz wagon is < half the plist so your poe is still pretty large that homing in on one player should not be solely due to it

I honestly dgaf about “activity telling”, my issue is your concept of Kid’s play was demonstrably dead wrong and you’ve failed to show any recognition of that
Why should I not think you’re scum when your sorting is absolutely half-assed and shallow?

It was activity and that I thought active slots are town which implies inactive slots are scum

How was my concept of his play wrong?? He did literally nothing

because from unwnd's POV hes literally already said that gamma would be a probable partner that we would look at if the worst flips red
so why would he now be like "guh idk who could it be who is bussing the worst i just cant figure it out" that logic is completely broken

In post 1901, Dwlee99 wrote:

In post 1896, Gamma Emerald wrote: Wagon logic fishing is trying to draw out reasons to read if you want to be on a push or not
I think it’s doable by both alignments but scum maybe do it in a certain way that is distinct from how town do it

I do remember you saying kaz wagon was town but your logic kinda didn’t go any farther to my knowledge, and the kaz wagon is < half the plist so your poe is still pretty large that homing in on one player should not be solely due to it

I honestly dgaf about “activity telling”, my issue is your concept of Kid’s play was demonstrably dead wrong and you’ve failed to show any recognition of that
Why should I not think you’re scum when your sorting is absolutely half-assed and shallow?

It was activity and that I thought active slots are town which implies inactive slots are scum

How was my concept of his play wrong?? He did literally nothing

Your idea that he was basically sitting in the scum PT eating popcorn has been disproven by the fact he flaked out of the game
And yet you show no cognizance of that?

I didn't say he was eating popcorn in the scum PT. I said he was sitting on the sidelines which is true flake or not

That's one person when the team should be decidedly 3. I'm not a miracle worker and I can be wrong, so if you think my own thoughts about worst are not strong enough to save him then by all means do it. I'm going to run through my thoughts in a rambly order. I wont dread taking hard stances like this because I'm very confident in my ability to townread people D1. If Worst breaks that streak then he's one that happened to slip into my upper bracket and I accept that.

1) Deepdive shows Worst as scum is more hedgy around his stances. While not completely unwilling to give reads, the behavior I saw the most in his scumgame would be trying to socially adapt. I think Worst here has been rude, hurried, and maybe even a bit brash. His reads come sporadically and he breaks a sweat typically making them. I scumread the notion prior because I thought he lacked direction, but damn. I think worst just has a lot on his mind and doesn't know what to do with himself. So much that he endangers himself. That fight with LLD in particular stuck out to me and made me reconsider. Worst even made a point to say 'heh no you shouldn't townread me for this because I DO have enough ego to get into it' which if I'm scum backed into a corner (see: Worst is very likely the elimination here) and a decently prominent town player gives me a pass I'm just gonna say 'YES YOU ARE SO RIGHT ABOUT ME!' but instead Worst cared more about his own scum ego. This is a very small point just tacked on.

2) I stand by what I said. Who's bussing worst? You threw it back to me that the answer should be Gamma. OK. That still applies if I'm misreading the situation. It applies because that was the only person on his wagon that I felt had scum equity. There's a reason I analyzed the wagons for you because vote placement is a deciding factor in how I read people. Who's on worst's wagon right now. Pooky, You, Dann, House and Gamma. It can't be you (Gork) cause that's a double hit to my own ego and also you'd be somehow chainsawing your own partner in this crazy hypothetical. It's probably not dann? It could be House? Nobody is talking about that and he's not playing at a bussing situation. His vote is all reluctant. Gamma is the only person who sticks out to me and I've moved him extremely down due to behavioral purposes. I haven't fleshed out MCat/Gamma they just happened to tank due to gut feelings which is how I lead with my scumreads on D1. I want you to look at this wagon and what I'm saying and consider my perspective for a second.

3) It turns out I don't have a point 3.

why would there need to be two scum bussing him that just makes your question patently ridiculous

In post 1890, unwnd wrote:I fail to see partners acting around him?

like if you had said
"gamma is plausible as a partner but i dont see another possibility" then this would maybe track
but the way you said this is like really clearly you saying that you saw no possibility of a partner being on the wagon which feels like a perspective slip serving an interest of protecting your partner

Who's bussing worst is just a question used for effect Gork.

Don't you think if Worst is scum then his partners would respond to the situation? This is juicy towncred so either worst's partners are willfully ignorant or they're silently approving because their own status is not worth risking trying to save him.

VOTE: Unwnd

good point I don't want to keep reading War and Peace

unwnd wrote:I fail to see partners acting around him?

thats not a satisfactory answer to this aspect of your post.

Get Navi

I don't think that's a slip

In post 1904, Dwlee99 wrote:I didn't say he was eating popcorn in the scum PT. I said he was sitting on the sidelines which is true flake or not

Wrong. That means he was present but choosing not to post in the main thread. Your initial suggestion implied deliberate avoidance by Kid when that was not the case at all.

dwlee wrote:I don't think that's a slip

awol until someone like dannflor is here to give me a second opinion im not engaging on another conversation like this where someone tells me im wrong with no reasoning.

..I can't fucking believe you think that I would willingly try to save worst on D1 as a partner.

D1, gork. You could maybe have this thought if it's D4 and we just needed a few more mislims to win. I'm absolutely bussing Worst in this hypothetical and you can go check my scumgames. I'm very unwilling to give quarter to my mates if they're playing like shit. And to me? If you're a prime wagon suspected by more than half of the game as my partner then nuts to you.

Gamma you put way more thought into how I word things than I do

That's what I meant, idc if you want to tell me I meant something different from what I meant cause you're just wrong

why wouldnt you save duckie as a partner

if I kill him I get you tomm easy

In post 1913, Gorkington wrote:

dwlee wrote:I don't think that's a slip

awol until someone like dannflor is here to give me a second opinion im not engaging on another conversation like this where someone tells me im wrong with no reasoning.

Okay but you have to convince me it is one, not the other way around

In post 1833, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:

In post 1806, unwnd wrote:I don't want the same to happen to me. That makes the game less interesting and while I think Pooks is delusional in his own read of me, at least I have something to fight against. I think most townies wanna prove they're town in some way and with you pretty much in the spotlight I'm just engaging you to see what comes of it.

im not crazy bear yelling at clouds


you r scum cuz you've managed to write war and peace but have 0 villains in it and i think its a load of crap.

Will you please stop fucking tunnelilng me if you go through with this? Can I please get a promise. I don't care about being the martyr and maybe if I'm wrong on Worst it's better off you get your wish.

he alrdy explained it p well in 1902 imo

In post 1918, unwnd wrote:Will you please stop fucking tunnelilng me if you go through with this? Can I please get a promise. I don't care about being the martyr and maybe if I'm wrong on Worst it's better off you get your wish.

i only tunnel you when you're not being townie

if you towned it up i'd obviously stop

It was intended effect. It was to get you thinking.

In post 1915, Dwlee99 wrote:Gamma you put way more thought into how I word things than I do

That's what I meant, idc if you want to tell me I meant something different from what I meant cause you're just wrong

K cool

This whole debauchery makes me feel very stupid from people who are claiming that I'm very smart.