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Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 6:46 am
by JDodge
Ether asked me to take care of this while she was away. Hi.
The Distant Votecounts wrote:2 No Lynch (Pie_is_good, Oman)

2 Oman (Setael, Korlash)

1 Unvote (Shanba)

5 alive; 3 to lynch.

Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 6:56 am
by Patrick
That's strange, she asked me as well.

Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 9:36 am
by Korlash
She didn't ask me.... ;_;.... I woulda done it...

Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 10:07 am
by Setael
wow Ether's definitely covering her bases when it comes to the modding. Now if only Shanba would come back and end the day...

Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 10:13 am
by Pie_is_good
I am unsure between Korlash and Oman, and even though I have my guess between the two (Oman), I am not willing to stake the game on me being right when it isn't necessary.

Korlash, you are asking me to stake the game on you not being scum. I am saying no.

Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 10:42 am
by Korlash
Well next time don't give a kill to someone you think is scum.

Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 11:54 am
by Pie_is_good
I don't think you're scum. Please read before posting.

Based on your posting alone, I would consider you more protown than Setael. The thing is, you're the main opposition to a plan that pretty much makes the town instantly win. Given that (if you were to be scum) you would have to oppose the plan to have a chance at winning, I think there's a more-than-marginal chance that's what's going on here: You are fighting the plan not because you think it won't work but because you have no other choice.

...But probably not.

Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 11:55 am
by Pie_is_good
I should also point out that I plan to give a kill to Oman tonight, who I definitely do believe to be scum.

Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 12:31 pm
by Korlash
well your pretty much saying the plan is only there because there is a chance im scum yes? so knowing Im town, why would i not be opposed to it? I see it as stupid and useless. Just throwing that out there!

Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 3:49 pm
by Pie_is_good
Keep digging.

I have already explained that the plan will do more than just kill you two - it will kill either one or two of {myself, Setael, Shanba}. So if you think there's even an outside chance I'm scum (or Set or Shanba) you should be in favor.

Honestly, at this point I feel like I'm hitting Korlash over the head with a comically large logic mallet. I should probably stop for awhile and let some other posters get in on the back and forth (namely Shanba ... donde estas?).

Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 4:14 pm
by Setael
it would be funny if by some miracle both korlash and oman are scum and Pie handed them the victory by giving them both extra kills while assuming his plan will work.

Pie, I don't trust you or your role and that's why I won't go along with it. It actually reminds me a lot of my role in Dantes in Fresno where I was neutral and my win condition was to get a certain amount of people to accept a vig kill from me (that's the brief version). Sure, there's a possibility you're just a protown vig who gives out his kill but there's also a good chance it's something we haven't thought of and it could very easily not be protown.

Therefore, the safest and smartest bet is to just lynch Oman.

Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 3:22 am
by Korlash
*nods*

Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 10:33 am
by Pie_is_good
Setael wrote:it would be funny if by some miracle both korlash and oman are scum and Pie handed them the victory by giving them both extra kills while assuming his plan will work.
Would indeed be funny, although if this were to be the case the town would lose anyways by lynching Oman.
Set wrote:Pie, I don't trust you or your role and that's why I won't go along with it. It actually reminds me a lot of my role in Dantes in Fresno where I was neutral and my win condition was to get a certain amount of people to accept a vig kill from me (that's the brief version). Sure, there's a possibility you're just a protown vig who gives out his kill but there's also a good chance it's something we haven't thought of and it could very easily not be protown.

Therefore, the safest and smartest bet is to just lynch Oman.
I'm confused. Which part of the plan do you think is contingent on my role? If my win condition were to be exactly what you say up there, wouldn't the town still win?

I think we all agree that my
ability
is confirmed.

Pretend I am antitown, and we NoLynch. I will by default survive the next night, and we will have either four or five alive. I will also be forced to give a kill away to Oman, or I will be LAL'd. If it's four, we most likely lynch me and have Oman and Korlash NK each other, leaving Set as the only one alive (pretty good odds of town win, in my opinion). If it's five, I will most likely push for NoLynch again. I will arm Setael the next night. Then we lynch me (or Shanba), Set NK's Shanba (or me), Korlash and Oman vig each other, and Set is the only one alive.

At what point would it even be possible for me, as antitown, to weasel out of the above plan?

If we follow the plan, Set must be protown for the town to win. If we don't, Korlash, Set, and Shanba (
probably
) must be protown for the town to win. This is why I am willing to bank the game on Set's protownitude - the alternatives are all strictly worse.

Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 9:31 am
by Shanba
So...

I desperately want to finish this game as soon as possible, and I have a sneaking feeling this isn't the best way to go about it. That said, it's definitely the best way, assuming that there isn't any actual stupidity in the setup like scum with two lives or something.

Vote: No lynch


I know who I'm tracking tonight.

Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 10:23 am
by Patrick
That's a no lynch. It is now night 5, with a deadline of 72 hours. Send me your nightchoices.

Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 4:05 pm
by IH
If you don't feel like trusting patrick with night choices, I am now back to full modding capacity.

I'll even lock the thread.

Sorry guys. Much <3 goes out to my Backup mod Ether, and HER backup mod Patrick AND JDodge.

^5 fo sho.

Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 4:10 pm
by IH
Ether is still most definitely helping me out, by the way.

Also if Patrick doesn't want to send me the night actions, I'll just unlock the thread and let them do the day scene.

Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 2:47 pm
by IH
You all wake up, expecting the usual grim result of the night. You're not dissapointed. You find Shanba lying dead, and his, or well her, green hair fanned out around her. Looks like he... she.... it was tracking in the night.


Shanba, Lyn- Town Tracker
has been nightkilled night 5

With four alive, it will take three to lynch. Day 6 is go.

Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 3:33 pm
by Pie_is_good
Dandy. I did indeed enable Oman last night (confirm?).

We now have a few options:

1) We NoLynch, Oman and Korlash kill each other, I enable Set with a kill, just in case something goes wrong.

2) We Lynch Set, Oman and Korlash kill each other, and I would be the last alive. You guys would be gambling on my alignment.

3) We Lynch Me, Oman and Korlash kill each other, and Set would be the last alive. Me guys would be gambling on Set's alignment.

4) We NoLynch, Oman and Korlash hold off on their kill, I enable Set. If I die overnight, you guys NoLynch and have Oman and Korlash cross-vig, with Set's kill used as insurance. If Oman dies, we lynch Korlash (and set vigges me); if Korlash dies we lynch Oman (and set vigges me). We would again be gambling on Set's alignment. We would have a bit more insurance (Set would be sitting on a nightkill at the end of the game), but there's more room for error.

I obviously support #2 based on personal knowledge, but objectively speaking, I think the best plan would be for Oman and Korlash to collectively decide between #2 (gambling on me) or #4 (gambling on Set) (I'm not terribly opposed to #3 in lieu, if there's strong public support).

Thoughts?

Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 5:53 pm
by Oman
Pie wrote: You guys would be gambling on my alignment.
Well. I've seen Un-Nkable Mafia tough guys. But I got your kill, and I don't trust you to be SK for now. I'm still considering it, but...gambles are strong.

I vote Number 2

Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 6:18 am
by Korlash
Funny I was thinking the same thing. providing of course that I still have my kill. I'm still surprised Pie didn't assume I tried to vig oman.

I was actually hoping Oman would have hid... then it would have been obvious Set had killed Shan... damn... I shoulda used it...

Out of those I would vote number 2 also.

Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 3:10 pm
by Khelvaster
Wow...this game is still going on...I'm impressed

Go mod!

Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 4:24 pm
by Oman
korlash wrote:I'm still surprised Pie didn't assume I tried to vig oman.
I was thinking of Hiding but I thought the gamble was impressivly larger reward.

Vote Set

Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 6:30 am
by Shanba
Bah.

Go town.

Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 9:51 am
by Setael
I'm annoyed. I think it's incredibly stupid to kill off all the most confirmed protown players. That's what you did by voting no lynch since all we got from it was Shanba dead. That's what you'll get by either lynching me today or voting no lynch - in both cases the only result is killing off our most confirmed townies.

imo there's no way Oman would vote me today unless he's scum, regardless of how easy Pie is making it for him. I will not vote no lynch today, and I obviously will not vote myself. I don't trust Pie and I don't trust Oman, which doesn't leave me with a very nice scenario if Pie convinces the town to lynch me today. I trust Korlash to be town since I'm pretty sure scum tried to kill me and failed the night Shanba followed Korlash and confirmed it wasn't him.

It's just stupid. Oman should've been yesterday's lynch and he's the only one I'll vote for today. if pie happens to be town then maybe his little scheme will work, but I'm certainly not going to count on it. I'd much prefer to kill oman today and have Korlash vig Pie tonight. I'm more confident that would lead to a town win.

vote: Oman