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Posted: Tue May 07, 2013 4:25 am
by fferyllt
GiF what's your case on Mac? is it purely PoE?

Posted: Tue May 07, 2013 4:36 am
by goodmorning
This game is moving into bizarre territory.

Vote: Ine


May as well put my money where my mouth is.

Fe was scummy, Ine is scummy, and I still have no idea where ff's townread on him comes from.

Posted: Tue May 07, 2013 5:09 am
by GuyInFreezer
In post 1950, fferyllt wrote:GiF what's your case on Mac? is it purely PoE?
Yes.

Posted: Tue May 07, 2013 5:33 am
by fferyllt
In post 1952, GuyInFreezer wrote:
In post 1950, fferyllt wrote:GiF what's your case on Mac? is it purely PoE?
Yes.
PoE puts you and Mac in my frame, with GM on hold for today.

Posted: Tue May 07, 2013 5:35 am
by GuyInFreezer
same for me except switching me with ineffective fmpov.

Posted: Tue May 07, 2013 5:50 am
by fferyllt
In post 1943, Mac wrote:
In post 1908, VisceraEyes wrote:Feryl have you found something particularly townie about Mac's responses? You seem oddly resistant all of a sudden, did you make it clear why somewhere I'm not seeing? You say that "nothing counterweights" what he said on Sunday which was "give me time". He's had time and all he's commented on has been the claim - he hasn't really elaborated on who he thinks is scum, or why. Just that in his opinion we shouldn't lynch GM on the basis of her unCC'd claim.

##Unvote

##Vote: Mac


His vote is blatant OMGUS of Ineffective. There's nothing townie in his response in my opinion whatsoever. He isn't interested in lynching scum, he's only interested in lynching people who want to lynch him. Now I want to lynch him. Let's see if I'm now more scummy to him than Ineffective.
seriously I made a fucking case on Ine. none of which was "he voted me." I am pretty fucking interested in lynching scum and I'm pretty sure Ine is scum. Are you even reading?

also I still have to read before I was to get lynched, and have stuff to say about GiF
but Ine has just strolled in and became my strongest scumread for the way he's acting.
please do this.
Are you saying we should lynch GM today? where's the logic in that? WHAT IF SHE IS THE JAILKEEPER?
That's not what he's saying.

Posted: Tue May 07, 2013 7:10 am
by Mac
GiF's forced content


Spoiler: wall
In post 1428, GuyInFreezer wrote:@GM: I see your points. It makes me want to have a conversation with eye now

Mac's post about "hey I could've framed you" post seems odd to me.

"I could've done it but I didn't!" Line of stuff feels like he's deliberately saying it to distance people from thinking that he might do it.
In post 1436, GuyInFreezer wrote:
In post 1414, Mac wrote:I don't think Deras wanted me dead, did he?

Regardless, speculating NK's is stupid in my opinion.
I could just as easily accuse you of killing Deras and setting up me/GM/Eye for it, or anyone else in the thread for that matter.
Pointless.
I was talking about this post right here. Especially the bolded part.
Explain to me how I misrep'd you on this bolded part.
In post 1440, GuyInFreezer wrote:Hmm.

Reading back, I don't know what I was doing in there either.
I've been posting some terrible stuffs lately and I blame it on my fever that stayed for few days.
Pretty quick retreat when he realised that no one was going to jump onto this
In post 1471, GuyInFreezer wrote:Also I would really like to know how the hell I'm his strong townread when I'm not doing much.
self admits he is not doing much at all
In post 1711, GuyInFreezer wrote:
In post 1709, Mac wrote:Again, would prefer time to post my thoughts because tomorrow will be lylo so hang fire until tuesday at least.
Hmm. How did I miss this part?
continues to try and protray me as saying bad things without EVER following up on it.
In post 1724, GuyInFreezer wrote:
In post 1723, goodmorning wrote:
In post 1720, Mac wrote:You are not lynched yet...?
No, but I'm going to keep doing final thoughts as the fancy strikes me.
Hopefully I won't be the lynch today
, but I'll probably be the kill tonight.
Explain yourself on this one because it awfully looks like a scumslip.
In post 1728, GuyInFreezer wrote:'cause I see no reason why claimed PR should be worried about getting lynched if he/she's real PR.
never follows up on this either after I call him out for it.


I'd rather lynch Ine but GiF is good too.

Posted: Tue May 07, 2013 7:41 am
by Ineffective
Gif is screaming of beetlejuice... also i didnt see a line of logic for the POE... Ffer kinda fed an answer to the questions she asked and GIF took the bait

Posted: Tue May 07, 2013 8:01 am
by Ineffective
On the other hand macs incessant "why do you want to lynch a pr" is grating at me

Posted: Tue May 07, 2013 8:04 am
by fferyllt
beetlejuice?

Posted: Tue May 07, 2013 8:07 am
by Ineffective
The good news is that... If GM is scum, and we nail the other one into a corner as well... It will be hard for his partner to claim a pr. higher chance of a cc, and with no cc the missing pr that actually exists can claim... The one who claims to be doc can be on the one who claims cop and the cop can be on JK and the jk can wifom between being on doc and on a random.... Which would give mafia a hard time of killing a legit pr

Posted: Tue May 07, 2013 8:07 am
by Ineffective
Beetlejuice = silent until your name is pinged

Posted: Tue May 07, 2013 8:11 am
by Ineffective
In post 1960, Ineffective wrote:The good news is that... If GM is scum, and we nail the other one into a corner as well... It will be hard for his partner to claim a pr. higher chance of a cc, and with no cc the missing pr that actually exists can claim... The one who claims to be doc can be on the one who claims cop and the cop can be on JK and the jk can wifom between being on doc and on a random.... Which would give mafia a hard time of killing a legit pr
That plan could be modified depending on who clqimed what under that circumstance... Merely a hypothetical to show that with mafia confirmed as ccing a pr things can be arranged all awesome-like

Posted: Tue May 07, 2013 8:43 am
by goodmorning
It's funny because it almost looks like you're trying to get your scumbuddy to claim a PR.

Posted: Tue May 07, 2013 8:49 am
by VisceraEyes
I have to admit the whole tangent left me uneasy.

Posted: Tue May 07, 2013 8:58 am
by VisceraEyes
You know Z still isn't in here trying to convince anyone to lynch me if he really thinks I'm scum. At what point does this become noteworthy?

Posted: Tue May 07, 2013 9:00 am
by fferyllt
day 2, maybe.

Posted: Tue May 07, 2013 9:07 am
by Ineffective
In post 1963, goodmorning wrote:It's funny because it almost looks like you're trying to get your scumbuddy to claim a PR.
I dont see how you could read that into my post as i was stating that the next scum to be voted will have a HARDTIMECLAIMINGPR--- if i was scum communicating to my partner that would be me telling them not to claim pr


It was mostly a celibration of the fact that i just realised the next scum we vote wont claim PRmost likely

Posted: Tue May 07, 2013 9:11 am
by Ineffective
Perhaps i should gaurd my words and hold my cards close and care what people might percieve of my rants because the more i type the more you have something to pick at---- however--- i view that as scummy and think everyone else should too.... So i just blurt out everything that comes to mind

Posted: Tue May 07, 2013 10:29 am
by VisceraEyes
@Ineffective
Just do whatever feels natural - it helps me gauge your mindset.

So is there anything particularly off-putting about GiF's posting besides his apparent opportune returns that makes you suddenly doubt the validity of a Mac lynch Inef? That is, are his posts more lynchable to you than Mac's posts?

@Mac
Your whole case is built around his suspicion of you and the way he presents it. You'll forgive me for mistaking that for "No U". If you want me to look somewhere else, tell me why his suspicion of you has to be scum motivated...or point me toward someone you CAN explain your read of.

Posted: Tue May 07, 2013 10:35 am
by Ineffective
In post 1156, GuyInFreezer wrote:I probably won't be able to finish reading until tomorrow. Till then, you guys can look at my wiki for my finished games and stuff. It contains both town and scum game, so all the meta-lovin' ppl can dig in!
screams town---- or scum confident in replicating its own town-meta
In post 1263, GuyInFreezer wrote:So far, I have fferyllt and VE as strong town. EU looked ok at first, but later posts quickly devolves. AA9 is playing like textbook scum. The only thing that bothers me is that she did that on every games that I played with her. Z7 is leaning town. I don't know how ppl scumread him. Deras/Mac/GM is null (or rather, didn't focus on them quite yet. I like focusing one person at a time, but time doesn't let me do so.)
here is the POE logic i was looking for... Makes sense... Has anything changed since then?
In post 1274, GuyInFreezer wrote:Is there a specific case against AA9 except for overreaction?
looks like a towny question
In post 1276, GuyInFreezer wrote:If it was other person acting like it, I wouldn't even hesitate voting. But it's AA9 we're dealing with, and she does that pretty much every game she plays.   @VE: ok.
using meta seemingly to avert a towny lynch
In post 1295, GuyInFreezer wrote:We have less than a day left. Correct? Ugh hate being short on time. VOTE: AA9 L-1. Normally, I won't ask for claim till someone intent to hammer, but we're running out of time. So claim. If you're a power role, be quick about it. What we don't want is you claiming power role 30 minutes before the deadline.
ummmm WTF GIF---
In post 1471, GuyInFreezer wrote:Also I would really like to know how the hell I'm his strong townread when I'm not
seems like a towny sentiment in RE a seemingly baseless townread
In post 1620, GuyInFreezer wrote:Hi Brakes.   R u town this game?
calling me brakes DIE SCUM... Lel
In post 1954, GuyInFreezer wrote:same for me except switching me with ineffective fmpov.
in context this makes sense but----- why did you put archangel at l-1 with that meta-info available.... This is what has me doubting you --- along with asking for a claim before intent to hammer and stating that you normally wouldnt--- using the time limit as an excuse seems ... Idk - personally i alwayys ask for claims puting someone at L-1 ---- on the other hand the fact that you pointed out that his was unusual for you when you didnt have to kinda looks towny too   STill hung up on the AA vote tho---

Posted: Tue May 07, 2013 10:37 am
by Ineffective
In post 1969, VisceraEyes wrote:@Ineffective
Just do whatever feels natural - it helps me gauge your mindset.

So is there anything particularly off-putting about GiF's posting besides his apparent opportune returns that makes you suddenly doubt the validity of a Mac lynch Inef? That is, are his posts more lynchable to you than Mac's posts?

@Mac
Your whole case is built around his suspicion of you and the way he presents it. You'll forgive me for mistaking that for "No U". If you want me to look somewhere else, tell me why his suspicion of you has to be scum motivated...or point me toward someone you CAN explain your read of.
do we have a mindlink or something--- i was reading GIFs iso while you were typing that question

Posted: Tue May 07, 2013 10:41 am
by Ineffective
also.... AA( plays alot like pranay... coincidence?gif?thoughts?

Posted: Tue May 07, 2013 10:42 am
by VisceraEyes
@Mac
I don't like your spoiler about GIF either. Like in the first exchange, the part where he backs off his initial accusation of you, why does that have to be scum motivated? Why could he not be townie just realizing it was a false lead or something? I don't understand why that has to be scum motivated. And the last two points are things where you say he never follows up on them, but I don't see anything there that needs followed up on...first of all, you're the one who asked for time to post your thoughts - him pointing out that you said as much IS him following up. And secondly, what do you expect him to follow up on regarding the whole PR thing? Someone asked him what he meant and he explained - what else is there to say?

None of the points in your spoiler illustrate forced content imo...if you can explain how or why any of it HAS to be scum motivated, then you'd have something...but right now you're just insisting that your gut reactions to people voting for you counts toward you contributing to hunting scum. And that's not enough sir - scum and town react to people voting for them in equal measure in my experience, so you're doing nothing to convince me you're not scum by insisting otherwise.

Posted: Tue May 07, 2013 10:44 am
by fferyllt
His AA vote was where I started have a slightly uneasy feeling about GiF. Though I was unhappy with what I thought were the other likely lynches at the time, so I couldn't really fault him. I thought Eye would be where the votes flowed if they flowed off AA. and I had more of a town read on Eye than I did AA by far.