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Post Post #1950 (ISO) » Wed Apr 30, 2008 11:44 am

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You are free to be annoyed.

What you (Set) are proposing is that we gamble on you and Korlash collectively. This is obviously worse than just gambling on you. It is up to Korlash and Oman whether just gambling on you is better or worse than just gambling on me. So I'm not terribly sure where you're coming from.

I, personally, am ready to end the day - it's straightforward from my perspective - but I'm holding off my vote in case Korlash (or Oman) has anything more to add, or Set wants to propose something crazy.
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Post Post #1951 (ISO) » Wed Apr 30, 2008 12:31 pm

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Alright I was just going over every possibility befre I voted and I just realised something! Pie.. One of us is a complete moron! And I hope it's not me... <.<

Shan kinda proved two nights ago he could track and kill right? Am I mistaken about that one? tracked Khelv and killed stree yes?

If thats true... then Pie you jsut gave a kill to someone you already admitted you think is scum, who has an ability to hide... and now tonight can hide and kill...

Cool... You just lost us the freaking game... Nice plan.

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Post Post #1952 (ISO) » Wed Apr 30, 2008 3:46 pm

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Korlash just did one HELL of a turn around there.

Where are you coming from? What did Set do that changed your mind? Set up a lynch on me?
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Post Post #1953 (ISO) » Wed Apr 30, 2008 6:45 pm

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How is it a turn around? He saw the logic in lynching you yesterday as well.

Korlash, one thing you're overlooking is that if Oman is mafia, he is unlikely to be able to use his mafia NK AND a vig kill. He's also lying about being able to hide. I still think it's smart to just lynch him, because I don't trust Pie and am not willing to base the game on him being protown when I have a lot more reason to base the game on me and korlash being protown.
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Post Post #1954 (ISO) » Wed Apr 30, 2008 9:09 pm

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Korlash wrote:Funny I was thinking the same thing. providing of course that I still have my kill. I'm still surprised Pie didn't assume I tried to vig oman.
In agreement with me in choosing pie's number two.
Korlash wrote:If thats true... then Pie you jsut gave a kill to someone you already admitted you think is scum, who has an ability to hide... and now tonight can hide and kill...

Cool... You just lost us the freaking game... Nice plan.

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Also: I asked and I was told I can't hide and kill (because hiding takes me AWAY from the situation and killing brings me INTO it)
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Post Post #1955 (ISO) » Wed Apr 30, 2008 11:45 pm

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Set wrote:Korlash, one thing you're overlooking is that if Oman is mafia, he is unlikely to be able to use his mafia NK AND a vig kill. He's also lying about being able to hide. I still think it's smart to just lynch him, because I don't trust Pie and am not willing to base the game on him being protown when I have a lot more reason to base the game on me and korlash being protown.
If Shan was able to track and kill then mafia should be able to kill and vig. Otherwise it is unfair and unbalanced. As for lying about hiding, says who? He could easily be a hiding scum. Odd power yes... very odd... but still possible.
Oman wrote:Where are you coming from? What did Set do that changed your mind? Set up a lynch on me?
Why don't you read my post. Set did nothing, I just remembered why your scum and need to die.

First off, I have been saying pies plans are full of shit from the start. So me 'agreeing" to follow them will never happen. I said that the number two situation was best out of them. But they are all stupid and worthless. Did I ever vote? no... Did I ever agree to lynch set? no... did I ever say you were off the hook? no... Face it scum. your going to die.
Oman wrote:Also: I asked and I was told I can't hide and kill (because hiding takes me AWAY from the situation and killing brings me INTO it)
Nice cover. Not falling for it. Still has serious balance issues that need to be worked out if one powerrole gets a different kill then another power role does.

My vote sticks. I told you shan would be NKed if we no lynched and he was dumb enough to do it himself. I told you we would be in this exact situation... and I told you pie's plans wouldn't work. So all in all... yeah... guess what... i told you...

Now come to you senses pie damnit! I'm taking heat in other games because I'm putting so much effort into this one. It shold have ended yesterday.

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Post Post #1956 (ISO) » Thu May 01, 2008 2:50 am

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I don't know about mafia kills and vigs or whatever, because that doesn't interest me, but I was told that I could not hide and kill the smae night.

Who cares about balance issues as a (supposed) unknowing townie, thats none of your business to be speculating on balance.

You didn't tell anyone anything. What you have told me is that you were all set to kill me tonight untill you realised that there was another option. That maybe you couldn't kill me, or maybe you just expected I'd hide and not get the kill. Either way you seem incredibly piseed that something didn't work out the way YOU wanted it to.
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Post Post #1957 (ISO) » Thu May 01, 2008 9:10 am

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Question for both oman and pie: If Korlash was scum, don't you think he'd have used that vig kill last night? Oman is scum. Pie is not so bright for enabling scum with vig kills, but I'd be surprised if he's full scum. I will not change my vote from oman today, so Pie just needs to come to his senses.
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Post Post #1958 (ISO) » Thu May 01, 2008 9:12 am

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Taking Votecount wrote:2 Oman (Setael, Korlash)
1 Setael (Oman)

1 Unvote (Pie_is_good)

4 alive; 3 to lynch.
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Post Post #1959 (ISO) » Thu May 01, 2008 9:49 am

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yeah I'm pissed you wern't lynched. I'm also a little peturbed that this day is now stalled. I'm with set, I wont change my vote. Theres no way Oman will vote himself. So unless pie has a change of heart seems like this game is going to last for a long time.
Set wrote:If Korlash was scum, don't you think he'd have used that vig kill last night?


Looking at it from their perspective, I could very well have killed Shan. Or that is how I would excpect the scum to try and turn it.

I'll try it again.

Flavorwise I doubt two lords would get kidnapped. So I think Set has a better chance of being town then anyone else here. Two nights ago there was no kill and Oman said he hid, last night Oman says he didnt hide and there was a kill. He could be lying about his ability, but even if he isn't it still fits with him being hider scum. Or we could argue he tried to kill Set two nights ago but they both end up at the same result so scum or scum,, lets lynch him.

I honestly can't think of anything that confirms me. Other then that one tracker result and the fact I didn't use my killlast night. Both are kinda moot and prove nothing. So if it really is between me and Oman, pie you gotta take a guess I suppose. As far as I see it we only lose if Set is scum (if we lynch oman) and seeing as how she is the most likely town I like our odds.

Thats pretty much how I see it. It might take a bit to change my mind but you can try I guess. Anyways I need to get more active in other games so I might be off and on in this one. Who knows.
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Post Post #1960 (ISO) » Thu May 01, 2008 12:22 pm

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Korlash: Good catch on the hiding/killing thing. It refutes #2 and #3 indeed, but not #4. So I'm going to go ahead and force that one through (the end result will be just like lynching Oman, only with Korlash dead).

Vote: No Lynch


Tonight, I will enable Set with a kill. Oman, I would strongly advise you to hide. Korlash will have no reason to use his kill.

One of 3 things will then happen: I get nightkilled, Korlash gets nightkilled, or nobody gets nightkilled.

If I die, you three lynch Oman, and Set can vig Korlash as insurance if necessary.

If Korlash dies, we three lynch Oman, and Set can vig me as insurance if necessary.

If nobody dies, we four lynch Oman, Set vigges Korlash, and Korlash vigges me.

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Post Post #1961 (ISO) » Thu May 01, 2008 12:27 pm

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Yeah... You keep saying we three and we four lynch oman. Are you excpecting Oman to lynch himself?
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Post Post #1962 (ISO) » Thu May 01, 2008 12:49 pm

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I should hide, of course, because I wont be doing anything else tonight unless we go through with plan 1.2/3 (whichever it was). Korlash would need to use his kill later, so I wouldn't want him to vig me.

Unfortunatly, I still think Set is the scum (and come on, his claim that CTD's play was townie is horrible) and we can't NK him, so I suggest we lynch him immediatly as well.

Damn, I'm crossroaded here. Give me some time.
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Post Post #1963 (ISO) » Thu May 01, 2008 2:13 pm

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We can't NK him? What? How do you know this?

I mean Set obviously doesn't believe your claim of hider so what proof do you have of her being NK immune?
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Post Post #1964 (ISO) » Thu May 01, 2008 3:44 pm

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I don't. But I think that a mafia tough guy is more common and therefor more likely than a scum hider.
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Post Post #1965 (ISO) » Thu May 01, 2008 5:22 pm

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Korlash: Oman doesn't need to lynch himself. Unless you or Setael plan to have a sudden change of heart, us three (or us two) will be good enough to lynch Oman.
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Post Post #1966 (ISO) » Thu May 01, 2008 7:53 pm

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I'm fine with Pie's plan, except I think it's pretty obvious Oman is scum (hence the reason he's still pushing for me to be lynched today since he can't NK me tonight) and so I think we should just lynch Oman today.
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Post Post #1967 (ISO) » Thu May 01, 2008 11:53 pm

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Well pie you kept saying "us four" or "us three" which implied you were taking Oman into consideration also. It's probably a grammatical or clerical error or something but I've seen a lot of stuff fall apart over those...
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Post Post #1968 (ISO) » Thu May 01, 2008 11:57 pm

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Oh also...

Which is more likely:

1) a scum who is immune to NKs. (means he is immune to anykill given out by pie)

-WEAK

or

2) A scum who is immune to all night actions. (Means he is immune to anykill given out by pie AND any investigation by Shan)

-Strong

So the scum has one nobody weakling, one godfather with superpowers, and one immunity guy. Town has 5 power roles. Is it more likely scum gets a RB and a half immune guy, or a RB and a full immune guy?

Keep in mind that the hider ability is also a hinderance to the scum as it keeps that person from getting a kill from Pie. So all in all it seems balanced.

If all you have to counter this is, metawise I see tough guys more then scum hiders, then I sigh at you. /sigh
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Post Post #1969 (ISO) » Thu May 01, 2008 11:59 pm

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Meta is all we have to speculate on balance unfortunatly.
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Post Post #1970 (ISO) » Fri May 02, 2008 12:03 am

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Balance = setup there.
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Post Post #1971 (ISO) » Fri May 02, 2008 3:22 am

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Ok... Who has meta on death motivators? What would have happened if he had targeted khelv? or one of us vanillas? Does meta on that support a one night immune becoming full immune?

Whats the meta on Pie's role? Overall is it usually pro-town or is it usually third party?

Meta on us vanillas? Do we even exist? i bet thats a fake role I made up eh.

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Post Post #1972 (ISO) » Fri May 02, 2008 5:17 pm

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Unvote: No Lynch


Will most likely revote, but I'm asking the mod something and I don't want the day to end before it's answered.
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Post Post #1973 (ISO) » Sat May 03, 2008 4:17 am

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korlash wrote:I'm still surprised Pie didn't assume I tried to vig oman.
oman wrote:I was thinking of Hiding but I thought the gamble was impressivly larger reward.

Vote Set
If anyone was unsure that Oman was obvmafia before, this post should solidify it for you. If anything, someone protown would want to lynch in this situation. He wants to get rid of practically confirmed townies. That's not protown. I am still waiting patiently for an Oman lynch.
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Post Post #1974 (ISO) » Sat May 03, 2008 10:02 am

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Eh it's end game Set. Noone's confirmed enough that the phrase "third party scum" won't send someone paraoid enough off the deep end.

In fact.... If you were to list the people in levels of confirmned-ness I'm fairly certain Oman is the last one of that list. So... yeah... freaking come on pie....
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