In post 1905, unwnd wrote:That's one person when the team should be decidedly 3. I'm not a miracle worker and I can be wrong, so if you think my own thoughts about worst are not strong enough to save him then by all means do it. I'm going to run through my thoughts in a rambly order. I wont dread taking hard stances like this because I'm very confident in my ability to townread people D1. If Worst breaks that streak then he's one that happened to slip into my upper bracket and I accept that.
1) Deepdive shows Worst as scum is more hedgy around his stances. While not completely unwilling to give reads, the behavior I saw the most in his scumgame would be trying to socially adapt. I think Worst here has been rude, hurried, and maybe even a bit brash. His reads come sporadically and he breaks a sweat typically making them. I scumread the notion prior because I thought he lacked direction, but damn. I think worst just has a lot on his mind and doesn't know what to do with himself. So much that he endangers himself. That fight with LLD in particular stuck out to me and made me reconsider. Worst even made a point to say 'heh no you shouldn't townread me for this because I DO have enough ego to get into it' which if I'm scum backed into a corner (see: Worst is very likely the elimination here) and a decently prominent town player gives me a pass I'm just gonna say 'YES YOU ARE SO RIGHT ABOUT ME!' but instead Worst cared more about his own scum ego. This is a very small point just tacked on.
2) I stand by what I said. Who's bussing worst? You threw it back to me that the answer should be Gamma. OK. That still applies if I'm misreading the situation. It applies because that was the only person on his wagon that I felt had scum equity. There's a reason I analyzed the wagons for you because vote placement is a deciding factor in how I read people. Who's on worst's wagon right now. Pooky, You, Dann, House and Gamma. It can't be you (Gork) cause that's a double hit to my own ego and also you'd be somehow chainsawing your own partner in this crazy hypothetical. It's probably not dann? It could be House? Nobody is talking about that and he's not playing at a bussing situation. His vote is all reluctant. Gamma is the only person who sticks out to me and I've moved him extremely down due to behavioral purposes. I haven't fleshed out MCat/Gamma they just happened to tank due to gut feelings which is how I lead with my scumreads on D1. I want you to look at this wagon and what I'm saying and consider my perspective for a second.
3) It turns out I don't have a point 3.
Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 6:17 am
by Gorkington
do you really think im in the mindset to charitably engage your posts when im this convinced that youre mafia? lol
i think you should want me to come back down to a rational level before i even try.
Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 6:17 am
by unwnd
I can't count pagetops. Not a great pagetop but it'll do.
Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 6:18 am
by unwnd
In post 1951, Gorkington wrote:do you really think im in the mindset to charitably engage your posts when im this convinced that youre mafia? lol
i think you should want me to come back down to a rational level before i even try.
Why not? You're getting spew out of me if I'm scum. I'm willingly giving you information to figure out my partners.
Or I'm just town and you've somehow tunneled yourself for no reason
Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 6:20 am
by Gorkington
im telling you that im in the mindset right now where my default is to just be straight up mean to points because im so convinced youre mafia and i dont really want to even be tempted to do that when it wont even accomplish anything productive.
if you genuinely want me to try to sort this situation meaningfully you should just let me walk away and come back to this.
Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 6:22 am
by unwnd
Nods sagely
Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 6:28 am
by Dannflor
In my experience, scum tends to be hyper aware of their reads. Like, they want a clear trajectory or if not a trajectory than to make it very clear they are doing a random gut “townie” flip on someone.
Unwnd could be scum but I feel like I need more than that and whatever pooky is selling
Idk I just woke up and will reread it but that’s my initial impression
Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 6:35 am
by PookyTheMagicalBear
VOTE: The Worst
Unwnd guilt tripping me about misreading him when I was a female anime character feels kind of maybe town I guess.
Tho he would do that as scum so it's not nearly as clearing for him
Still think I prefer Navi but that’s just my own stubbornness
Sorry I’m really strapped for time right now and won’t be writing any novels, will try to be back in full tonight
Then vote Navi
Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 10:10 am
by the worst
LLD > gamma > navi IMO but w/e any will do
Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 10:40 am
by Gamma Emerald
sighhhh
Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 11:02 am
by Kazyan
This is basically where I am for the possible eliminations.
Dwlee:
No. Still townleaning. I checked Dwlee's ISO for a particular tell that they've done in both of their scumgames that I was in, and I didn't find it even though there were plenty of chances with LLD. I'm not gonna say what it is because then they won't do it for sure
Navi:
Let's do this one tbh. VOTE: Navi. There's a different tell that I've taken the name from Anya, I think--"promising presents and not delivering presents". You say you're gonna do a game-engagement thing and then don't do the game-engagement thing, which is how scum look like they're participating without actually doing so. Navi mentioned trying to catch up and still has still not caught up, without saying anything of substance beyond the "epic smelly" post.
Gork has some similar things to say about not showing the enthusiasm that comes with loosening the shackles of post restriction and basically I'm drinking all of his tea and asking for seconds
MCat:
Third choice. This is a lurk slot. All else being equal, get rid of those, but I look at MC's questions and don't feel any malicious intent. Kill this slot dead if it's still lurking on Day 2 but I don't think an MCat flip would actually tell us about the gamestate on Day 1; everyone else has spewed associations
I can't in good conscience kill a lurkslot for lurking during a V/LA, either
The Worst:
Let's not. Did you read that discussion with unwnd and The Worst, after Pooky stopped spamming? They were vomiting green all over the pavement trying to get into each other's heads.
This is kind of a logically-complicated slot, statistically. TW isn't flipping red here but if she does, LLD is basically clear. If she doesn't then Pooky gets to drink elimination juice tomorrow, and while that would be objectively funny and cool, I'm not going to vote off a big townread just to make that happen
LLD:
Let's do this one if we can't have Navi. If we're going with the out-of-game argument being just that, non-game-related, then it was a big nothingburger of noise that attacked a townread of mine. If this slot flips red, we get a clean duck
and
barbecued bear
Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 11:38 am
by Dwlee99
In post 1969, Kazyan wrote:Dwlee: No. Still townleaning. I checked Dwlee's ISO for a particular tell that they've done in both of their scumgames that I was in, and I didn't find it even though there were plenty of chances with LLD. I'm not gonna say what it is because then they won't do it for sure
I hate this stuff cause now I'm gonna have to go find what it is at some point
Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 11:44 am
by Kazyan
Remind me to tell you after the game or in the dead thread
Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 11:49 am
by Lady Lambdadelta
We're close to 1 day.
Vote: The Worst
Elimination - 1 vote, for anyone who is reading.
Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 11:49 am
by House
In post 1971, Kazyan wrote:Remind me to tell you after the game or in the dead thread
