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Post Post #1975 (ISO) » Sat May 03, 2008 11:14 am

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Votecounts of a Feather wrote:2 Oman (Setael, Korlash)
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4 alive; 3 to lynch.
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Post Post #1976 (ISO) » Sat May 03, 2008 3:27 pm

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Korlash wrote:Ok... Who has meta on death motivators? What would have happened if he had targeted khelv? or one of us vanillas? Does meta on that support a one night immune becoming full immune?

Whats the meta on Pie's role? Overall is it usually pro-town or is it usually third party?

Meta on us vanillas? Do we even exist? i bet thats a fake role I made up eh.

/roll eyes
My point exactly. I can speculate on all of these using only the meta I bring with me from other games. Unfortunatly, its likely to be inaccurate on a few.
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Post Post #1977 (ISO) » Sun May 04, 2008 12:16 am

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Wait... yoru point is that meta is likely to be innacurate? Thus your statement that one thing is more likely then another based on meta is likely inacurate, and thus my point that yu re more likely scum is right!

man... I've seen people admit to being scum before... but this one takes the cake...
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Post Post #1978 (ISO) » Sun May 04, 2008 12:25 am

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Inaccurate ON A FEW. A FEW.

A FEW.
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Post Post #1979 (ISO) » Mon May 05, 2008 1:23 am

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MONTHS!

ha ha ha... inside jokes with players not even here are great...
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Post Post #1980 (ISO) » Mon May 05, 2008 3:15 am

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Haha, sorry, now that I'm a bit clearer I'll restate, cause I don't want Korlash to think I don't love him dearly. You misunderstood. My point was meant to be that whilst I could guess a few (I.e. the town would comprise of predominatly vanilla townies etc). I could not guess a few others (whether NK immune scum is likely, what fits into the balance etc). HOWEVER being this close to the end of the game we can assure ourselves ~1 person is lieing to us, and can determine it from there. That is: for you, one of me set and pie must be lieing and you can use meta to determine which (or, as I'd prefer to, use gameplay).

One thing that still bugs me is the way CTD hit Lawrence, got that wagon going, got him lynched and then dissappeared. It still smells of the ultimate bus.
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Post Post #1981 (ISO) » Mon May 05, 2008 3:45 am

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...You... love me? ;_; happy days are here!

And I agree, meta would be a good tool here too. But it can't be fully trusted. I personally have never seen a role that gives away a kill, so via personal meta I am left with an unknown. Other things come into play, death motivators (A very important part of Set's calim I might add) are kinda low on the meta chart for me too. So I'm left with just research on that one too.

So instead of meta which I can't trust, I fall back on flavor! My pride and joy of themed games. One kidnapped lord seems reasonable, two does not. On the other side, Elias would be the GF over hector thats for sure. But that, combined with the tracker result tracking Khelv to Set, leads me to question how possible Set could be scum is.

Set as an SK makes no sense, unless your going to argue Hector wanted everyone dead. And if Khelv did RB his own goon, then kudos on the awesome tracker fake out!

No offense man, but in my min it's you or pie, and lets face it... If Pie's lyng, I can NK him, if you are i can't... Hope you at least understand.
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Post Post #1982 (ISO) » Mon May 05, 2008 10:39 am

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I asked the mod if a mafia could use my kill and their kill on the same night. She said yes.

I'm thinking things through, but we may have to lynch Oman. The only other alternative I can think of immediately would be to NoLynch, have Korlash vig Oman (forcing Oman to hide), I enable Set, we lynch Oman, and let Set vig Korlash as insurance. This would gamble on me and Set's alignment collectively. The alternative, though, is lynch Oman and have Korlash vig me, gambling on Set and Korlash collectively.

I have a sneaking suspicion Set and Korlash will prefer the second one. I prefer the first one, obviously.

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Post Post #1983 (ISO) » Mon May 05, 2008 10:40 am

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To clarify: this means that we can't go to night passively, because OmanScum NK's me and Korlash => Oman instantly wins, if he were to be scum.
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Post Post #1984 (ISO) » Mon May 05, 2008 12:42 pm

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Why not? We go into night passivly, I vig Oman anyways. And we still win! <3
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Post Post #1985 (ISO) » Mon May 05, 2008 2:25 pm

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The above is accurate. We got to night, i die anyway. I can't hide and kill, so I will kill I guess.

Just to play with Korlash here: I might hide, do you really want to waste the kill?
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Post Post #1986 (ISO) » Mon May 05, 2008 2:53 pm

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Waste the kill? If it forces you to hide I just saved a towny from dying. So either I'm a vig or a doc! I'm happy either way seeing as how I'm actually a vanilla! =D
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Post Post #1987 (ISO) » Mon May 05, 2008 3:02 pm

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HA!

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Post Post #1988 (ISO) » Mon May 05, 2008 5:13 pm

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Sting like a butterfly and jump like a jack! i'm an ace *throws punch* The one champ *throws punch* the only champ *throws punch*

*dances back and forth*

Take your best shot....
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Post Post #1989 (ISO) » Tue May 06, 2008 3:29 am

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oman wrote:One thing that still bugs me is the way CTD hit Lawrence, got that wagon going, got him lynched and then dissappeared. It still smells of the ultimate bus.
Only scum would still be trying to throw suspicion at me. Why don't you reconcile why Khelv targeted me the night Shanba tracked him while you're at it.
khelv wrote:I asked the mod if a mafia could use my kill and their kill on the same night. She said yes.
I kind of want to lynch you just because IF you're protown it was so antitown to give kills to the people you knew were most likely to be the scum BEFORE you asked this of the mod. Clearly we have to kill oman today. If Korlash was scum, he would've used his kill last night. Oman is scum and now has the option of using 2 kills tonight. Korlash seems to think that his vig would go through but Oman's 2 kills wouldn't? If Korlash's goes through, Oman's will also go through, right? I guess it doesn't matter since he can only target Pie and Korlash so either way I'd be left alive which would be a town win.

I still think we need to lynch oman today, especially now that it's likely he has 2 NKs tonight.
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Post Post #1990 (ISO) » Tue May 06, 2008 5:25 am

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I'm not going to reconcile it Set cause A) I don't know what shanba really saw (I assume she wouldn't lie however) and B) I don't know Khelvs powers plus C) I haven't ruled out scum with a misdirect either. However: thats not really relevant cause its useless.
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Post Post #1991 (ISO) » Tue May 06, 2008 5:27 am

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Meh. You just refuse to acknowledge that I'm confirmed town because it's not in scum's best interest.

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Post Post #1992 (ISO) » Tue May 06, 2008 5:41 am

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I think its in no-ones best interestest to write someone off. You're not "Confirmed" the only thing that is confirmed is that SOMEONE can give kills.

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Post Post #1993 (ISO) » Tue May 06, 2008 7:54 am

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It's confirmed that Khelvaster was Mafia Godfather.

It's confirmed that Shanba was a protown tracker.

Shanba saw Khelv target me, and only mafia would refuse to concede that I am therefore confirmed town.
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Post Post #1994 (ISO) » Tue May 06, 2008 10:43 am

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OmanScum is right. You are not confirmed, Set. There's strong evidence the last scum was not on a team with Khelvaster.

Not to say I don't think you're town (I'm pretty convinced you are). The fact that you genuinely believe yourself to be confirmed almost makes you confirmed.
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If we're assuming OmanScum would have to choose between hiding and killing, the have-Korlash-vig-Oman plan works just dandy. It does contain an assumption, though.

Given that we're basing the game on Set being protown no matter what, I'm happy to defer the decision to Set.
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Post Post #1995 (ISO) » Tue May 06, 2008 12:00 pm

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[quoe="Set"]If Korlash's goes through, Oman's will also go through, right? I guess it doesn't matter since he can only target Pie and Korlash so either way I'd be left alive which would be a town win. [/quote]

My point exactly. IF I kill Oman tonight, it doesn't matter how many kills he gets becuase your NK immune and all scum will be dead. Leaving town alive. However, I would much rather lynch oman and NK pie.
Pie wrote:If we're assuming OmanScum would have to choose between hiding and killing, the have-Korlash-vig-Oman plan works just dandy. It does contain an assumption, though.
Not really. Even if Oman can hide, I still believe there is a good chance he can do his vig kill as well. Theres no reason one pwoer role can do both but another cannot. And yes, i believe he lied about asking the mod. So me trying to vig him tonight while he hides still ends up with me or you dying toight.
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Post Post #1996 (ISO) » Tue May 06, 2008 6:50 pm

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When someone is as scummy as Oman is, every part of me fights the idea of letting them survive the day and no lynching. Especially with days like yesterday when it seems so stupid to just give up Shanba like that. So I really want to just lynch Oman today since I really think he's scum. I don't feel like I can trust scum to play into a plan that will result in a town win. If that were the case, they'd just give up now. So though I can't see it, it feels like there's some loophole in letting Oman kill tonight. Yes, I'm putting a lot of trust in korlash being town, but I think he is. I think if he was scum he'd have used his 2nd kill last night. I think scum targeted me the night korlash was tracked by Shanba, which clears him. I concede these assumptions might be incorrect, but if they are I'm willing to take the blame for false assumptions. If we don't lynch Oman and something goes wrong and town loses, I will not be willing to take the blame. So I prefer to lynch Oman today.
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Post Post #1997 (ISO) » Tue May 06, 2008 8:20 pm

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Heres a sad little tid bit. If Pie is scum, he will not lynch Oman today. And oman will nto lynch himself. And so if Pie is scum we are at a stalemate. Just something I thought of.


On a side note, "A lot of trust in Korlash being town"?!?! I mean exactly how big a case do you have on me being scum? I have a bit of evidence that confirms, if even only a little bit, me being town. And aside from the constant paranoya you get near endgame, exactly what is it that is making people even think I'm scum?
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Post Post #1998 (ISO) » Wed May 07, 2008 11:37 am

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Set: Unless I'm missing something, Shanba's death didn't actually hurt the town. But that's more of an argument for postgame.

Korlash: From a personal standpoint, I have reason to believe Set is protown and personal knowledge of my own innocence more than reason to believe you're scum.

Oman: If you have anything fancy to say/try/suggest, now's the time. I'll give you a little time for last-minute suggestions, but I'm probably hammering you soon.
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Post Post #1999 (ISO) » Wed May 07, 2008 11:50 am

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*sigh* hes been givin too many chances already....
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