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Post Post #1975 (ISO) » Wed Dec 17, 2014 1:36 pm

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That the entire town is pushing Wreck as being scum and I'm his buddy, that the entire town (save me) is pushing Wreck as being scum and his scumbuddy is bussing in spite of being a member down already
This doesn't even make sense. The entire town is definitely not saying you're Wreck's buddy. You're pretty universally townread for your incredibly vague PR claim earlier. And if you're defending Wreck... how exactly are you bussing them? Or how are they bussing you? They seem to be mainly after Bulba and Domo. You're not making any sense at all.
That's not what I said at all. I asked what made the most sense:
The entirety of the town is pushing Wreck correctly as scum (regardless of who they think to be his scumbuddy), and I, his sole defender, just so
happen
to be defending him because I'm said scumbuddy...
...The entire town minus myself is pushing Wreck correctly as scum, and Wreck's scumbuddy is
also
pushing Wreck as scum in spite of scum already being down a member...
...Or that most of the town and both scum are pushing a town-Wreck incorrectly.
mastin2 wrote:Also, Pasch is basically supporting the wagon while not being on it as far as I can tell, sooooooooooooooo, probscum.
I'm scummy now for having multiple scumreads and commenting on one more than the other? There's a lot more to say about TW. Nobody but you and I seem to think that Kitty is scum. Huh, you're not arguing in favor of that wagon much either. Are you probscum too?
No, you're scummy for having Wreck as a scumread, pushing Wreck harder than you're pushing Kitty, and yet staying off of the already-existing larger Wreck wagon in spite of supposedly having stronger reasoning to vote Wreck. In short, your actions not matching your words.
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Post Post #1976 (ISO) » Wed Dec 17, 2014 1:40 pm

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The tl;dr version of the Pasch point:
Pasch's reasons for voting Kitty: *existent but basically one-off post*
*weak reasonings that were so weak that I can't remember them*

Pasch's reasons for suspecting Wreck: *consistent posting*
*trying to dismantle my townread*
*presenting many reasons*
*continues posting these, using new points each time, yet being memorable*

Pasch's vote: Kitty, with almost no support.
Versus the potential to be on Wreck, where there's a ton of support.


Thus, actions not matching words.
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Post Post #1977 (ISO) » Wed Dec 17, 2014 1:49 pm

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Oh right, wasn't paying attention to the role, just saw he flipped red.
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Post Post #1978 (ISO) » Wed Dec 17, 2014 2:00 pm

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mastin2 wrote:Coincidentally, DOMO's also my second-strongest townread...


mastin2 wrote:This push on him is EXTREMELY scumdriven.


You realise you're contradicting yourself here? You say I'm town, but the wreck wagon is scum driven? I'm driving the wreck wagon.

I think you're wreck's buddy. I'm so glad you claimed to have been roleblocked already because I can be certain you're not protecting wreck due to night info. It's ok to think that my argument doesn't hold as much weight as I think it does, disagreeing with me is ok. But this strongly? It's not like my case on him is horseshit. You're not reading the exchanges after #655. Or, if you are, you're dismissing someone who is incredibly scummy as town. I don't understand why you'd do this if you're town. I don't see where such a strong town read on wreck comes from.

Why did he post itt what he should post in the QT? Maybe because he's trying to play in a spontaneuous style, knowing that appears town motivated. Only problem with that is it's easier to make mistakes. Some people think that "too scummy to be scum" is a thing, and some people will play ultra scummy as scum because wifom. Who knows what he was thinking.
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Post Post #1979 (ISO) » Wed Dec 17, 2014 2:08 pm

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If he didn't post two minutes later in an attempt to clarify where that comment came from, it wouldn't look nearly as suspicious.
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Post Post #1980 (ISO) » Wed Dec 17, 2014 2:10 pm

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Should be noted: lotsa people started today going Bulba-Pasch. Me, DOMO, N_M, Kitty, and Perpetual Nonsense. All at daystart, ~71-72. They've since mostly shifted.
Bulbazak wrote:
Vote Total Wreck
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Bulbazak

Paschendale
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Okay, so admittedly there are three who're below him, but leaning scum is still leaning scum.

Speaking of this post, though...N_M, what say you of the cross-suspicions going on in your list?

It seems to shift a LOT, very very suddenly, though, after this.
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Total Wreck wrote:I'm dying to vote Pine, myself. I hope he townies his ass up, and soon.
Total Wreck wrote:@Pine: I saw what you were capable of as a scum hunter, so now I'm spoiled and expect it all the time.
This feels really strange. Why would town say he hopes pine towns his ass up? Why would town want someone who looks scummy to stop being scummy? I think wreck had this very same thought process as he read back what he had posted... hence the explanation two minutes later.
This is really odd.
I found this while looking at wreck with pasch and shiny past post 506. I'm starting to agree with shiny that wreck's flip onto pasch is a huge red flag, and certainly wreck's inability to explain himself, along with these awkward posts I quote above, has me thinking that wreck would indeed be optimal lynch for today.
I'm sold.
Oh yeah. This. mastin why is wreck town?
Doubleslap wrote:VOTE: wreck
vote isn't moving. wreck is scum and mastin just saying "wreck is def town" without any explanation adds to the reasons why wreck is scum
And the first obv-sheep...
Paschendale wrote:I can definitely buy Kitty and TW as the remaining scum. Both from my assessments of them on day 1 and from the arguments offered by Mastin and Domo.
TW, I think, ranks as a lower suspect than Kitty, based on their votes for Pine. TW's hammer, as I said earlier, could have been a move to silence the discussion so that Pine couldn't leak anything or to stop us from discussing the situation more and reaching a conclusion they didn't want us to reach. Kitty's vote was on the wagon longer and looked really like she was trying to lay the vote strategically, rather than for genuine reasons. This is especially evident from her hopping right off of her initial vote on Pine, as if she didn't want to vote a teammate, and then just as quickly coming back. That looks like tactics rather than genuine suspicion.
VOTE: Kitty
...While staying off the wagon, no less. (Again, note the number of reasons presented against Kitty Pasch uses after this point versus the number of reasons presented against Wreck Pasch uses after this point.)

KittyCupCake wrote:@Domo: I like your TW analysis. There are some good points in there. I've moved him into my maybe pile for now and am otherwise reevaluating him. I disagree with mastin that he's obviously town at this time.
Oh, look, another sheep.
KittyCupCake wrote:I feel like TW/pasch is a more likely possibility now (576/584).
...While staying off the wagon, mind you. This is particularly bad given that Kitty later acknowledges I made a good point about TW...
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mastin2 wrote:Because scum with fucking daychat NEVER, NEVER, EVER IN THEIR ENTIRE LIVES, EVER, would say this in-thread.
This is a very good point.
...And fails to reevaluate to get a new scumread.

Pretty much the only person to not make a scumread there is farside. (Well, GiF hasn't said anything, either, but farside's posted content. She's not weighed in explicitly either way, though.) Because PN joins the fray.
Perpetual Nonsense wrote:TW lynch is fine, even if just for the hammer alone. He even said so himself that he understands the reason behind lynching him for the hammer alone. Problem is, that doesn't match his current "Why me??" swagger
We can see him being scum with the classic scum mindset of bringing up past games to make himself look null if anything, instead of suspicious. Plus, his arguments for suspecting Domo have no meaning behind his words. It's like he's having a difficult time finding reasons to suspect Domo, so it's becoming BS.
I mean, it's doing so in the towniest non-DOMO way possible, butstill...

This lynch is not towndriven. It's got DOMO as town driving it, and PN loosely supporting it as town, but otherwise? Not so much.

People have completely shifted from Bulb/Pasch to TW and ?, with the few saying TW/Pasch having dropped Bulbazak.

You should all be ashamed of yourselves.
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Post Post #1981 (ISO) » Wed Dec 17, 2014 2:16 pm

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mastin2 wrote:You should all be ashamed of yourselves.


No. Your desperation to slam the brakes on this wagon does the opposite of encourage me to change my mind.
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Post Post #1982 (ISO) » Wed Dec 17, 2014 2:17 pm

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DOMO wrote:But this strongly?
Welcome to Mastin play 101. You've just got your first glimpse into the hardcore defense mode she typically actives once a game, perhaps every-other game. (Meta me. Find two consecutive town games where I do
not
do this. I'll wait.) On a rare occasion, generally every 2-3 games, she may have a reverse where it's a scum player she feels strongly about, however, this happening does not necessarily preclude the original default hardcore defense of a town player from happening.

It should be noted she has an incredibly-high accuracy; she's done this dozens upon dozens of games, and there is only one recorded instance of her townread being wrong.
It's not like my case on him is horseshit.
Ummm...yeah...about that...... :shifty:

Or, if you are, you're dismissing someone who is incredibly scummy as town.
Scummy as town is still a fucking town player! I'm not letting him get mislynched.
Maybe because he's trying to play in a spontaneuous style, knowing that appears town motivated.
Well if he has then I've seriously underestimated his scumgame. Butno. I know better.
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Post Post #1983 (ISO) » Wed Dec 17, 2014 2:24 pm

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He's not getting mislynched.

Maybe you're not scum mastin, I believe that you can hardcore WK people you think are town. I'm not nearly so sure about you as I am wreck. But I'm utterly convinced you're wrong. But please, by all means carry on doing what you're doing, because to be fair, if it's me that's wrong, then your analysis here tearing apart his wagon is gold. I'd give your opinions a lot more respect in the event of a wreck townflip. But that wreck townflip isn't happening. Post #655 to #700 or whatever, he's gotta be lynched for that. If you think I'm town, well shiny was town too and was screaming that wreck is town. Why are you dismissing the dead townie's opinion? Why the hell would shiny get NK'ed when he's pissing everyone off? He's a dream for scum to leave around, because he was causing apathy from other townies. But he got killed. Why? Because he was fucking right.
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Post Post #1984 (ISO) » Wed Dec 17, 2014 2:25 pm

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DOMO wrote:If you think I'm town, well shiny was town too and was screaming that wreck is town.


Yeah it's obvious how that should read.
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Post Post #1985 (ISO) » Wed Dec 17, 2014 2:33 pm

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My brain is swimming today. But I had one thing to say
Domo: I don't get your hyperactive omgus hypocrisy of mastin or why you attacked her just now for what she said. I don't recall you being this spastic....like ever and wonder where it is coming from.

Tw: still waiting for your scum reads. Right now all I've seen is sarcasm and bitchness when anyone attacks you and the can't wait to prove you wrong attitude this day phase.
Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.
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Post Post #1986 (ISO) » Wed Dec 17, 2014 2:35 pm

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mastin2 wrote:
KittyCupCake wrote:I feel like TW/pasch is a more likely possibility now (576/584).
...While staying off the wagon, mind you.
This could have been clearer. -I wasn't saying this was my best guess at a scum team; I was simply saying that I thought the pairing was more likely than I had thought
Yesterday
, when I considered it as a very unlikely outside chance. I felt it was a more plausible possibility actually worth looking into.

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KittyCupCake wrote:This is a very good point.
...And fails to reevaluate to get a new scumread.
Patience. I'm working on it. -There are a lot of posts in this game.

@Pasch:

KittyCupCake wrote:
Paschendale wrote:I agree with part of your arguments but not all of them!

Which part?
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Post Post #1987 (ISO) » Wed Dec 17, 2014 2:38 pm

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DOMO wrote:
DOMO wrote:If you think I'm town, well shiny was town too and was screaming that wreck is town.


Yeah it's obvious how that should read.


Freudian slip, my man.
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Post Post #1988 (ISO) » Wed Dec 17, 2014 2:47 pm

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farside22 wrote:Domo: I don't get your hyperactive omgus hypocrisy of mastin or why you attacked her just now for what she said. I don't recall you being this spastic....like ever and wonder where it is coming from.


I see someone who has claimed to be roleblocked n1 saying that the person who seems like the most obvious scum in the world is obvtown. I wonder where that is coming from.

Total Wreck wrote:Freudian slip, my man.


Yeah I have a feeling you're gonna be the only one baging this drum.
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Post Post #1989 (ISO) » Wed Dec 17, 2014 2:53 pm

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I don't bag drums, they are too bulky.
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Post Post #1990 (ISO) » Wed Dec 17, 2014 2:58 pm

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Get a big enough bag, durrr.
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Post Post #1991 (ISO) » Wed Dec 17, 2014 3:00 pm

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farside22 wrote:
Tw: still waiting for your scum reads. Right now all I've seen is sarcasm and bitchness when anyone attacks you and the can't wait to prove you wrong attitude this day phase.


Bulb & Pasch, same as it's been for a coon's age.

Sarcasm & bitching is what town deserves if they mislynch me when I'm easy as hell to read by glancing at my meta.

I'm scummy town & towny scum. People too shallow to figure that out don't deserve better than what I've given today.
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Post Post #1992 (ISO) » Wed Dec 17, 2014 3:09 pm

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Yo Pasch, why so chicken to vote me?

VOTE: Pasch

Does that help motivate you?
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Post Post #1993 (ISO) » Wed Dec 17, 2014 3:13 pm

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mastin2 wrote:That's not what I said at all. I asked what made the most sense:
The entirety of the town is pushing Wreck correctly as scum (regardless of who they think to be his scumbuddy), and I, his sole defender, just so
happen
to be defending him because I'm said scumbuddy...


The entirety of the town isn't pushing Wreck. And we're hardly accusing you of being their scumbuddy.

...The entire town minus myself is pushing Wreck correctly as scum, and Wreck's scumbuddy is
also
pushing Wreck as scum in spite of scum already being down a member...


The entire town is not pushing Wreck. Most likely their scumbuddy is among those who aren't.

...Or that most of the town and both scum are pushing a town-Wreck incorrectly.


If that many people were pushing Wreck, he'd be lynched already. Your premise is false.

No, you're scummy for having Wreck as a scumread, pushing Wreck harder than you're pushing Kitty, and yet staying off of the already-existing larger Wreck wagon in spite of supposedly having stronger reasoning to vote Wreck. In short, your actions not matching your words.


I don't have stronger reasoning to vote Wreck. If I did, I would move my vote. But everyone, including you, is talking about Wreck. Kitty is mostly clamming up and hasn't added any more evidence to my case against her (except maybe for the clamming). When there's more to say on the subject, I'll say it (other than the above where I just did). In the mean time, we're talking about your defense of Wreck and why it's paranoid delusion.

I'm willing to be convinced, but you aren't making convincing arguments. By your argument, any popular wagon ought to be on town. That's absurd. But you're not offering any good reason why THIS wagon is on town. It looks to me like it has a good chance of being on scum.

Again, I ask, why aren't you pushing a wagon on Kitty, since you sounded pretty sure she was scum? It seems like you're trying to hand it off to me and refuse responsibility for your read on her.

Total Wreck wrote:Sarcasm & bitching is what town deserves if they mislynch me when I'm easy as hell to read by glancing at my meta.

I'm scummy town & towny scum. People too shallow to figure that out don't deserve better than what I've given today.


My meta is pretty much the same. It never seems to make a difference. Why don't you try to distinguish yourself in this game rather than expecting us to read a bunch of other games. And since you're so sure of your meta, why exactly should we rule out the possibility of you intentionally manipulating it in order to throw us off?

Total Wreck wrote:Yo Pasch, why so chicken to vote me?

VOTE: Pasch

Does that help motivate you?


No, it doesn't. Whether or not I vote for you will mostly depend on what Kitty does. As long as she is my top scumread, I will continue to vote for her. And if she ever does poke her head back in here and make any waves, I'll address that when it happens.
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Post Post #1994 (ISO) » Wed Dec 17, 2014 3:20 pm

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Paschendale wrote:
My meta is pretty much the same. It never seems to make a difference. Why don't you try to distinguish yourself in this game rather than expecting us to read a bunch of other games.


Been there, tried that. I get lynched for "not coming across as genuine" when I try to consciously alert my behavior. Can't win for losing.
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Post Post #1995 (ISO) » Wed Dec 17, 2014 3:20 pm

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Post Post #1996 (ISO) » Wed Dec 17, 2014 3:40 pm

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@PASCH

KittyCupCake wrote:
@Pasch:

KittyCupCake wrote:
Paschendale wrote:I agree with part of your arguments but not all of them!

Which part?
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Post Post #1997 (ISO) » Wed Dec 17, 2014 3:42 pm

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Aw wreck, you missed a chance to have me reconsider. Imagine if you removed your pasch vote with a "that's better from pasch" and you might cause doubt to creep in, like maybe, just maybe, you're also looking for reasons why your scumreads might be town.
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Post Post #1998 (ISO) » Wed Dec 17, 2014 3:45 pm

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DOMO wrote:Aw wreck, you missed a chance to have me reconsider. Imagine if you removed your pasch vote with a "that's better from pasch" and you might cause doubt to creep in, like maybe, just maybe, you're also looking for reasons why your scumreads might be town.


And second guess my innate genius?

Yeah, right!
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Post Post #1999 (ISO) » Wed Dec 17, 2014 3:48 pm

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DOMO wrote:Aw wreck, you missed a chance to have me reconsider. Imagine if you removed your pasch vote with a "that's better from pasch" and you might cause doubt to creep in, like maybe, just maybe, you're also looking for reasons why your scumreads might be town.


I voted your scum read yesterday even though I didn't particularly want him lynched on D1, care to return the favor?
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