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In post 51, CantHateAPuppy wrote:

In post 46, VP Baltar wrote:

In post 33, CantHateAPuppy wrote:You don't understand, usually by now Blair has the class settled down and school is in session. You'll see I guess, or maybe not, don't want to poison the well here, (Sorry Blair!)

So you're saying in your past experience, Blair would be serious out of the gates? Want to make sure I'm interpreting correctly

Blair posts a lot in RVS, that's all, don't mean anything scummy implied

Quick looks like he's doing his own thing but i want him to explain his townread more so

VOTE: Quick

In post 53, CantHateAPuppy wrote:I think youre beIng a little cryptic for some reason, but i guess i like that answer well enough for now

UNVOTE:

In post 82, CantHateAPuppy wrote:

In post 80, votato wrote:also clearly didnt check the vote count prior to voting, or he would have noticed it wasn't L-1. hmm, im torn here. so many places to vote, so few votes to cast...

Cast one with me!

VOTE: Atarashi Hajimari

In post 245, CantHateAPuppy wrote:

In post 243, votato wrote:

In post 241, CantHateAPuppy wrote:But u just said that u were going to ignore the "wall tell" because u read over one of his scum games

Which is it? U have only seen town Atarashi and this doesn't look like it, or u have seen Atarashi as scum in all those games u claim u read?

this is a stupid

argument

and doesnt reflect what i said. if you look over the ISO that i linked, its pretty short. also, sample size = 1. all the meta stuff is a small part of the reason i suspect atarashi. their behavior in this game is why i scum read them. even after reading over that scum game, i dont feel like i have a clear pattern established of what scum!atarashi does. except maybe lurk and fluff, but that could be in that instance rather than a rule.

This is disingenuous. I am not making an argument but poking at your read which looks flimsy under scrutiny

You said that atarashi was scum because you thought he was jumpy compared to what he is like as town, and because you think he wall posts more as town. A "wall tell" and a "jump tell"

You said you read other games of his to determine this.

When I push you on this, you admit that your "wall tellQ falls under scrutiny because of a game where Atarashi was scum, then say that your "jump tell" is still good because you have never seen scum Atarashi

These are two weak tells, and they don't match. I think I've caught you pretending to scum humt

pedit: Now you jump to attacking me? Flail

In post 246, CantHateAPuppy wrote:VOTE: votato

Sheep me and I will shepherd, nobody is on a wagon as good as this one

In post 74, VP Baltar wrote:

In post 59, votato wrote:

In post 58, Blair wrote:VOTE: Puppy

Be advised, I have exited RVS.

in that case: justification? hopping on a wagon without justification post RVS seems bad

*Checks vote count before this*

A wagon you say?

unvote: puppy
Vote: votato

In post 517, VP Baltar wrote:

votato wrote:VP also completely ignored all the questions asked of him. interesting.

Pardon? I've tried to answer all questions directed my way. I'm sure there are things that have been missed along the way though due to the river of content, so feel free to point them out.

going through your ISO, I see this in post 244:

votato wrote:puppy and VP, what are your reads? what do you think of atarashi? you're both asking questions without actually offering up any thoughts of your own.

this was at the time with your name calling match with puppy, which i found quite silly and passed through relatively quickly since I was also working at that time. I've given reads at this point, so that answers that question. I do find your effort to slide in a completely unfounded remark like I'm not "offering up any thoughts of your own" complete cum BS. I'm 100% out in front here pushing your wagon to get people to weigh in, and it's not exactly like it's the most popular position to go after a likely scum who people think is too wreckless to not be town.

As far as I can see, I've directly addressed every other question you've put to me. This again fits with the pattern I identified when I first had a weird twinge about you and voted: You mischaracterize because you are fake scum hunting.

In post 384, CantHateAPuppy wrote:Hi again VP!

it's ur responsibilit to not get NK'd, not mine!

It's your responsibility to be good town. A mild reading between the lines of my words, which you accurately did, revealed where my head was at about possible busing. My point was there wasn't a benefit to the town making that more explicit there than it needed to be.

In post 387, Nauci wrote:
Quick: Blair is saying you were lying because you, on 3 separate occasions, claimed you purposely post enigmatically/mysteriously, and then in the 4th post claimed that you were NOT trying to be cryptic, which totally contradicts the previous 3 posts

Blair: I think that Quick both meant what he said the first 3 times, and what he said with that last bit, because A: the part about him NOT trying to be cryptic was referring to a very specific subset of his posts, and B: he sometimes owns the fact that he's unintentionally cryptic because he doesn't explain his theories well enough, but sometimes he also says that this happens because he's intentionally being mysterious. It's the sort of thing that has gotten him mislynched many a time. I think that if you're going to scum read him, you have to go a bit deeper than surface contradictions.

Major town points on Nauci here for me. I had been eyeing her carefully, but only town would defuse this pointless fight that well. Not looking great for you iDany.

In post 388, Nauci wrote:

In post 376, VP Baltar wrote:Atarashi are more likely town than scum

What led you to determine this before he has come back today and responded to the scum reads on him?

Atarashi won me over with his initial flurry. Obviously I could be wrong and I want to hear more from him. But I got solid town vibes from what i have seen.

In post 393, mavsfan41 wrote:

In post 336, VP Baltar wrote:

In post 331, Quick wrote:Okay, Effort for donkey just means he is Town. That is all I am saying.

I'll bite. Give me the case on Blair.

In 376, VP Baltar says he’s pretty sure Quick and Blair are town. I don’t think town!VP Baltar asks his TR Quick about their case on TR Blair. Town!VP Baltar would only asks this if he’s scum reading at least one of Quick/Blair.

His town read post came after a Blair vs Quick so it’s possible he read that as TvT since, but that means he was scum reading Blair since he was town reading Quick in 317.

He never makes a push on Blair prior to this or expresses any sort of scum read on Blair. I think the above is disingenuous and he looking for town to eat itself here.

Vote: VP Baltar

Two things here. First, the fighting between them later definitely enforced my sense of TvT. Second, the point of me asking that question was to try to get Quick to articulate his case, which at that point felt very flimsy and undefined (at one point his reasoning to Puppy was that Blair seemed "off" because Puppy said she was good). I had hoped that by asking Quick to explain, he would be forced to acknowledge the case was weak and he might move on to a more productive path. I'll admit i did not have thorough follow through, in part because Quick's playstyle is a little exhausting for me to read.

In post 398, votato wrote:

In post 393, mavsfan41 wrote:

In post 336, VP Baltar wrote:

In post 331, Quick wrote:Okay, Effort for donkey just means he is Town. That is all I am saying.

I'll bite. Give me the case on Blair.

So at the time of this question, Blair’s VC was 2, NPOM and Quick. NPOM voted Blair way back in 189. Quick voted Blair closer to this post in 270 while baiting “feel free to ask me for my reasoning” which makes me believe that VP Baltar is directing the above at Quick.

In 376, VP Baltar says he’s pretty sure Quick and Blair are town. I don’t think town!VP Baltar asks his TR Quick about their case on TR Blair. Town!VP Baltar would only asks this if he’s scum reading at least one of Quick/Blair.

His town read post came after a Blair vs Quick so it’s possible he read that as TvT since, but that means he was scum reading Blair since he was town reading Quick in 317.

He never makes a push on Blair prior to this or expresses any sort of scum read on Blair. I think the above is disingenuous and he looking for town to eat itself here.

Vote: VP Baltar

this is what i was talking about when i said i was waiting for juicy/tasty posts. atarashi is not off the hook, but VOTE: VP

I am jack's complete lack of surprise at this vote.

r2r wrote:-Among active people, I think my biggest suspicion is on VP, as he seems to be trying to jump on minor more obvious things people say

Oh really? elaborate on this please..because literally just above in this post, you literally sheep my reasoning for voting votato...which is that he mischaracterizes posts.

for reference:

r2r wrote: Also not a fan of 301 when he misinterprets what puppy is saying

And then there is this hilarious turn:

r2r wrote:OK so I can't read today and there's only 1 vote on VP, so let's make it 2

VOTE: VP Baltar

Which is "DINGALINGALING, here comes the scum counter wagon to votato because he can't quite shake the pressure."

mavs and votato had just voted me. In fact, here is WHAT YOU LITERALLY JUST SAID IN THE PREVIOUS POST:

r2r wrote:pedit: OK was about to vote and wanted to look for the last vote count first and

2 new votes on VP happened, brb gonna go count

Bold emphasis mine. So you knew there were two votes, and then you immediately cast a vote and tried to avoid any attention for hopping on that scummy as hell wagon by saying "oh I haven't read" and then intentionally misstated the vote count on me so people would believe you hadn't read.

Unvote, Vote: ready2rock