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Post Post #200 (ISO) » Wed Aug 12, 2009 11:15 pm

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I get you. But I would like to have some more proof.
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Post Post #201 (ISO) » Thu Aug 13, 2009 12:40 am

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Santos why can't you see what is painfully obvious? Maybe if you see it in color it will help.

Sho Minamimoto - unconfirmed.

Flava Flave - confirmed weak watcher.
Santos* - confirmed by Raivann
Juls - townie

Francis - unconfirmed.

Raivann - confirmed weak doctor.


I didn't do a reread because if you look at that list, there are exactly two players unconfirmed in my eyes and two scum left. I would be just as happy to lynch Francis. I can't go wrong no matter who I vote (Sho or Francis). Would you prefer I vote Francis?
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Post Post #202 (ISO) » Thu Aug 13, 2009 8:21 am

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I'm leaning Juls/Sho scumteam.
I'm not ready to drop the hammer on Juls yet though.
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Post Post #203 (ISO) » Thu Aug 13, 2009 8:58 am

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Why did Juls put herself in green?
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Post Post #204 (ISO) » Thu Aug 13, 2009 12:11 pm

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Francis wrote:I think Juls is scum with Sho. :p

My strongest case against Sho and Juls is what I posted as soon as the massclaim ended. The game should have been crystal clear to them since neither seemed to have much doubt about Raivann's claim at all (he confirmed Santos and Flava, leaving only two players as possible scum in the eyes of an unconfirmed town player), but they still posted like they were assessing the viability of a Francis-Sho/Juls team. I would personally see that as a dead give away.
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Okay, people I think are town:
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People I am leaning town on:
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I had concluded Juls and you were scum already, and now you're trying to paint the town red with slander that I thought just the opposite. While yes, Juls did make the folly that you accuse, I cannot be grouped in such a category. Additionally, I voted Juls immediately off my theory while you have toyed with ideas of a no lynch that would place us further from victory than before.

Why would anyone think you're town? Plus, as I said, we cannot (until recently) have said Raiv was 100% town, and even though I think so, admitting it by the time the above thoughts were posted (page 6) would have told scum too much what I thought and town too little. Putting Raiv in the air was the best move, and the fact that your trying to suggest is complete and utter bullshit.

Logical arguments shouldn't be built on lies, but I'll deal with you tomorrow after I finish off your scum partner.

@Juls voting me: Oh wow, Omgus and Process of Elimination. Very impressive. Why myself over Francis? Too scared people might follow with your scum buddy?

Get real, loser. At L-1, you're not going to derail the wagon against you.
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Post Post #205 (ISO) » Thu Aug 13, 2009 2:03 pm

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Santos wrote:Why did Juls put herself in green?
Seriously Santos? I am green to me. I was trying to show you MY process of elimination.
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Post Post #206 (ISO) » Thu Aug 13, 2009 2:04 pm

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Sho wrote:@Juls voting me: Oh wow, Omgus and Process of Elimination. Very impressive. Why myself over Francis? Too scared people might follow with your scum buddy?
Yeah...I rigged the dice roll. Pro tip sho, this is what a fixed dice roll looks like.

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Post Post #207 (ISO) » Thu Aug 13, 2009 4:27 pm

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Juls wrote:
Sho wrote:@Juls voting me: Oh wow, Omgus and Process of Elimination. Very impressive. Why myself over Francis? Too scared people might follow with your scum buddy?
Yeah...I rigged the dice roll. Pro tip sho, this is what a fixed dice roll looks like.

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XDDD
What's funny is I actually read that, and I knew that it was random, but I started rereading Francis and forgot. I really do apologize as that point no longer stands.

On other points:
PoE and Flava's claim:
Seems pretty conclusive.
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Post Post #208 (ISO) » Thu Aug 13, 2009 9:38 pm

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Sho wrote:Why would anyone think you're town?
Because I'm awesome?

Post 169 is a strange thing for a townie who's basically convinced that Raivann is town to post. So is the question you ask Flava in 167. And the Hand of Suspicion you point at me in 173. It's inconsistent.

You say "Flava is confirmed by Raivann."
You believe Flava's claim - that someone targeted Juls last night.
You openly state that it "fits perfectly" with your theory.
You say there's a "85% chance that whoever the long goon targeted last night is the other lone goon."

But

To believe that Flava has been confirmed by Raivann you have to believe that Raivann is town.
If you believe that Raivann is town, there can be NO DOUBT that it was goon that targeted Juls since NO ONE but Flava claimed to target her.
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Post Post #209 (ISO) » Fri Aug 14, 2009 9:50 am

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Day 3, Votecount 3


Juls (3): Sho Minamimoto, Flava Flave, Francis

Francis (1): Santos
Sho Minamimoto (1): Juls


Not voting (1): Raivann


With 6 present, it takes 4 to force somebody to sign the warrant.

Deadline is Saturday, August 26th, 5:00pm EST.
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Post Post #210 (ISO) » Fri Aug 14, 2009 3:06 pm

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@mod
when is deadline? Saturday is the 22nd, the 26th is on Wednesday.

Regardless we are about a week (give or take) from deadline. Raivann, who are you going to vote for?

I want you all to note that both Sho and Francis are on my wagon. So whoever hammers is going to be town hammering town. Does no one see that those two are scum trying their hardest to get me lynched? It's game over if I am lynched FYI.
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Post Post #211 (ISO) » Fri Aug 14, 2009 4:20 pm

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Sho wrote:@Juls voting me: Oh wow, Omgus and Process of Elimination. Very impressive. Why myself over Francis? Too scared people might follow with your scum buddy?
This is WIFOM right?

Flave, are you completely satisfied with your vote? You're the only person who has committed a vote that is not under question today. Why Juls over Francis or Sho?

Also, where the hell is the rest of everybody? We've literally got just the people in question talking today for the majority of this possible lynch or lose. What the fuck?
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Post Post #212 (ISO) » Fri Aug 14, 2009 7:15 pm

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Francis wrote:
Sho wrote:Why would anyone think you're town?
Because I'm awesome?

Post 169 is a strange thing for a townie who's basically convinced that Raivann is town to post. So is the question you ask Flava in 167. And the Hand of Suspicion you point at me in 173. It's inconsistent.

You say "Flava is confirmed by Raivann."
You believe Flava's claim - that someone targeted Juls last night.
You openly state that it "fits perfectly" with your theory.
You say there's a "85% chance that whoever the long goon targeted last night is the other lone goon."

But

To believe that Flava has been confirmed by Raivann you have to believe that Raivann is town.
If you believe that Raivann is town, there can be NO DOUBT that it was goon that targeted Juls since NO ONE but Flava claimed to target her.
Not really. There is Juls, the lone goon, who could have targeted me instead of you, last night. As a result, there is still an 85% chance that a long goon, Juls, targeted you. However, when I posed those, I didn't include logical progression because I didn't think about their relevance. You are correct, however. Logically, the goons *did* meet last night. However, I doubt it's not too far a stretch to assume you would think to confirm they met because you are part of "they" with Juls. Logically, however, we do know that Juls is a lone goon.

Someone want to hammer scum already?

@Santos: Not wifom, completely invalid as a statement. I was flat out wrong, see my last post.
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Post Post #213 (ISO) » Sat Aug 15, 2009 3:21 am

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I can't think of anything else to say or do today.

Raivann, Santos and Flava should decide what they're doing already.
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Post Post #214 (ISO) » Sat Aug 15, 2009 7:18 am

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I realize that we're the unconfirmed, and therefore, we should be the biggest voices of arguing points today (mostly our defenses and proof) but this is the time where we've concluded Juls must be scum. So,

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Post Post #215 (ISO) » Sat Aug 15, 2009 11:13 pm

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I'm here. I want to know if Flave and Raivann agree Juls is the best option.
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Post Post #216 (ISO) » Sat Aug 15, 2009 11:33 pm

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If you and Raivann don't think that:
1. Sho and I are scum together, or
2. Flava is scum with Sho or I,
then Juls should be confirmed as scum now. Both you and Raivann have posted without hammering, which means that the above are the only alternatives to a Juls and Sho/Francis scumteam. I.e., the only scenarios where Juls is not scum.
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Post Post #217 (ISO) » Sun Aug 16, 2009 5:41 am

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I'm not as sure about Juls as I am Sho. But if you wanted to hammer Juls go ahead, I'm a little hammer shy after lynching arelian.
Arelian was pretty suspicious of Sho.
I've read all three in iso and looked for voting patterns and I'm still not sure.

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Post Post #218 (ISO) » Sun Aug 16, 2009 9:28 am

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Santos wrote: Flave, are you completely satisfied with your vote? You're the only person who has committed a vote that is not under question today. Why Juls over Francis or Sho?
Juls was targeted by scum trying to find each other. It's good enough for me considering the odds show that scum have more than likely found each other by now.
Santos wrote:I'm here. I want to know if Flave and Raivann agree Juls is the best option.
Isn't my vote enough indication for this?
Raivann wrote:I'm not as sure about Juls as I am Sho. But if you wanted to hammer Juls go ahead, I'm a little hammer shy after lynching arelian.
Arelian was pretty suspicious of Sho.
I've read all three in iso and looked for voting patterns and I'm still not sure.

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Post Post #219 (ISO) » Sun Aug 16, 2009 11:20 am

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Raivann wrote:I'm not as sure about Juls as I am Sho. But if you wanted to hammer Juls go ahead, I'm a little hammer shy after lynching arelian.
Arelian was pretty suspicious of Sho.
I've read all three in iso and looked for voting patterns and I'm still not sure.

Vote: Sho Minamimoto
Obviously logic avoids you like the plague. I can miss logic, but when presented, how can you be uncertain? Plus, you're essentially admitting that you are not certain makes you scum (lying) according to Fracnis' theory.

Francis, what do you think?
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Post Post #220 (ISO) » Sun Aug 16, 2009 1:15 pm

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Flave, I don't get your logic. In your theory scum-Francis or scum-Sho found me last night. So why am I the one assumed to be scum if I was targeted?
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Post Post #221 (ISO) » Sun Aug 16, 2009 6:59 pm

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I'm going to lay the hammer if anyone but Sho, Francis or Juls says nothing else on the matter. I've weighed my options as carefully as I could based on my position in this game; so I was hoping for a little more reciprocation than a simple 'isn't my vote enough?'

No matter, if nothing else is said, then I will end the day.
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Post Post #222 (ISO) » Sun Aug 16, 2009 8:34 pm

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Sho Minamimoto wrote:Francis, what do you think?
I think someone should hammer Juls.
I don't see much else being gained today.
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Post Post #223 (ISO) » Mon Aug 17, 2009 1:00 am

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Francis wrote:
Sho Minamimoto wrote:Francis, what do you think?
I think someone should hammer Juls.
I don't see much else being gained today.
Of course you do. :roll:
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Post Post #224 (ISO) » Mon Aug 17, 2009 6:43 am

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Sorry, guys. I was traveling during the weekend.


Day 3, Votecount 4


Juls (3): Sho Minamimoto, Flava Flave, Francis

Sho Minamimoto (2): Juls, Raivann
Francis (1): Santos

Not voting (0):


With 6 present, it takes 4 to force somebody to sign the warrant.

Deadline is Saturday,
August 22th,
5:00pm EST.

Juls wrote: @mod when is deadline? Saturday is the 22nd, the 26th is on Wednesday.
The 22nd. I don't know what I was thinking. It's (6*2)+6=18 days since the day began.

Sho wrote: Mod Prod on Santos, Raiv, and Flava where applicable.
Weekends count as 12 hours/day (mostly because I'm often V/LA during weekends myself), so I don't issue prods until Monday. No prods are needed at this time.
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