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Post Post #200 (ISO) » Sat Mar 06, 2004 11:55 am

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stupid_ wrote:Zoneace: perhaps you could state again why you think there are three killing groups? I could believe one mafia, and one impatient Vig, but three in a game of what, 12 people? Thats a ton.

read my first post of the day, i explain it there.
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Post Post #201 (ISO) » Sat Mar 06, 2004 4:54 pm

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It struck me odd that no one was killed night2; Dirge's scenario makes sense. I want to hear, like the rest of us, what Massive has to say before I cast my vote.

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Post Post #202 (ISO) » Sat Mar 06, 2004 5:47 pm

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Zoneace: thanks, sorry I missed that the first go-around. I would propose an alternate theory though, as 3 killing groups still seems excessive to me: Sid Vicious did not own a gun or limo because he did not do the killing for the mafia that night. This statement was effectively Talitha's way of saying that we didn't finish off any groups yet, not that Sid was an independant.

Still, saying specifically that he neither owned a gun or a limo does remove any lingering suspicions I had about their being two groups. So I'd say there are two killing groups, and the statement regarding Sid's death was just saying we hadn't finished any one of them off.

so now, to wait for massive......
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Post Post #203 (ISO) » Sun Mar 07, 2004 4:09 am

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We might be waiting on massive a while. It looks like he's having trouble getting online.
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Post Post #204 (ISO) » Mon Mar 08, 2004 5:24 am

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I did have trouble getting online ... I was on travel without my laptop cord. :oops: As I am doing in almost all my games, this post is to ask you to at least give me time and find out what's going on.
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Post Post #205 (ISO) » Mon Mar 08, 2004 9:34 am

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So since you all know I was gone, and you know that night didn't last an overly long amount of time, where's the "night was overly long so he must be the impatient serial killer" logic? I feel robbed.

Dirge blocked me. Bully for him. Doesn't really matter, as I have no night choice to send in, and wasn't here to send anything anyways. Of course, discussion went pretty quickly from "we have three killing parties!" to "we have a lucky doc and role-blocker!" and never made it to "we might have a serial killer who only kills on odd nights!"

There are two parts to Dirge's theory:

1) I'm the serial killer. Therefore, I managed to find a way to get internet access and send in my kill so Dirge would block it, and yet nobody got to the "we had a long night, obviously he's scum!" And yet, I'll bring it up since I'm a big fan (this game) of bringing up good points that other people will use as "evidence" against me.

2) I'm mafia. Knowing that Dirge is a roleblocker and that he and I went back and forth continuously on day one, would it make sense to send ME to do a kill on night two? Obviously Dirge is going to block me.

You all are applying bad mafia play to me, which is fine WERE I SCUM (and a bad player). Since I'm neither (the second in my opinion only probably ;)), none of this makes sense. I am pleased with getting four votes and two FOS'es (and one of them was REALLY ANGRY! ;) ), but it's completely blind. Dirge is obviously not scum. It makes sense that he would block me, which isn't something that a Mafia being stuck with a roleblocking claim would necessarily do. But that doesn't mean his theory is anywhere near correct.
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Post Post #206 (ISO) » Mon Mar 08, 2004 1:18 pm

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Yay! Jolle will replace blackhawk, effective as soon as he logs on and receives his role.


Vote count unchanged, but here it is for this page:

Dirge (1) - ZONEACE
massive (4) - nard054, JereIC, Carmine, Dirge

6 is the magic number.

Not voting: big_kahunia, Jolle, massive, stupid_, Tigris
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Post Post #207 (ISO) » Mon Mar 08, 2004 2:04 pm

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Thats it. My FOS has gotten too angry to prevent it from becming a
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I mean, we seek an explanation from you, and what do we get? An explanation of more points against you. :shock: What the? If you are the serial killer, and you couldn't get to your computer, that would have the same effect as Dirge's roleblocking making a difference. So no, your not being home doesn't exclude you from being a serial killer. As for the mafia, its true that you may not have been the strongest choice if the mafia chose who makes the nightkill, but there's also the possibility that they don't choose, and it always goes through the Godfather, or something similar. So there goes that theory.

The fact is, your arguements are possiblities, but much, much less believable than what Dirge is presenting. Yoiur main defense seems to be that "I'm not a bad player, and look! These can be portrayed as obviously poor decisions!" It just doesn't sit right with me.

Plus, you made fun of my FOS :oops: Hey, at least I didn't Monkey of Suspicion you.
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Post Post #208 (ISO) » Mon Mar 08, 2004 3:11 pm

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I think that it is also worth pointing out that often SK’s are required to perform some kind of task to earn a kill. If you look back over massives posts I noticed that he doesn’t use a lot of pronouns. He repeated the names Dirge and Zoneace several times. When you compare the posts in this game to posts in his other games you see that these seem different. And I think that it’s telling that he has been pretty good about making sure that ZONEACE is in all capital letters and spelled out most of the time. He even put the underline after stupid_ and spelled out big_kahunia.
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Post Post #209 (ISO) » Mon Mar 08, 2004 3:18 pm

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Ill go along with this and end the day. However, dirge, im still suspicious of you.


unvote dirge

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Post Post #210 (ISO) » Mon Mar 08, 2004 4:42 pm

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Final Vote Count


massive (6) - ZONEACE, stupid_, nard054, JereIC, Carmine, Dirge

"What are you talking about? I wasn't here… and even if I was, I didn't do anything", massive protests, as angry fingers of suspicion are pointed in his direction. "Why are you losers always blaming me for everything?"

"WHO ARE YOU, ANYWAY?" the angry mob demanded.

"Well - my name is Brian…. Brian Warner. And I'm really .. (gulp) .. well .. I'm hugely into pop music… In a BIG way ... I really like Jessica Simpson (cough)… she has such a great…er.. voice, yeah! "

The mob are unconvinced. They tie massive up and make him lie on the road. Then they proceed to take turns at driving over top of him in their luxury cars until all that his left of him is a huge smear... all over the road.

Sorry Brian… looks like society has blamed you for their troubles for the last time.

And this time, they're right.


Marilyn "massive" Manson has been lynched. He was anti-pop.

It is now night. Deadline for night choices is Friday, (midnight on the scum clock)
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Post Post #211 (ISO) » Thu Mar 11, 2004 4:01 pm

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Night 3
9.49 pm
Stupid is spending another quiet night, drinking coffee and working on her new album.
The doorbell rings and Stupid goes to the door. She is quite startled when she sees who it is…

"I hope I'm not interrupting. I want to have a chat about us putting out a single together", the visitor says with a huge smile.

"That's fine. I can take a break. The songs for my new album are really coming along. I think this one's going to be better than Jagged Little Pill! Come in."

Stupid shows her guest into the lounge, then disappears into the kitchen to fetch a second cup of coffee. When she returns the guest is reclining on the couch and wearing a strange looking smirk.

Stupid decides to get straight to the point. "What's your idea for the song together? I wouldn't have thought that our styles were all that compatible…"

The guest takes a sip of coffee and waits for Stupid to do the same. "Oh - you're right, I suppose. I don't know what I was thinking about. Us doing a song together… it doesn't make any sense, does it? I mean… especially seeing as you'll soon be dead!"

About now, Stupid realises that her coffee tastes odd.
"What did you ghrhg… hmnfh… huagrhrghurgh… URGHLRRGMMMGH!!.. hurgmmgrrlghl…… hm…….. grl…… ha…… a…………."

The guest watches for a few minutes until Stupid stops convulsing, then quietly slips away into the night.


Alanis Morisette (stupid_) has been poisoned. She was pro-pop.

It is now day.
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Post Post #212 (ISO) » Thu Mar 11, 2004 4:19 pm

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Deleted post due to mod error. I don't think it would matter if anyone saw it, but apologies anyway.
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Post Post #213 (ISO) » Thu Mar 11, 2004 4:21 pm

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Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo, ALANIS, you cant be dead. The love of my life is gone. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO :cry:

Ok back to reality. jere and dirge were cavorting lastnight. I would assume that dirge targeted jere. so who knows. anyway, im off to brood over the death of alanis.
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Post Post #214 (ISO) » Thu Mar 11, 2004 7:30 pm

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Well, two scum dead, only one kill last night, either someone got lucky again or one group is gone, hopefully the second. However, the doc can likely vouch for one person via no night kill night 2 and I would wager that ZA is our cop, if not and you have three investigations, now would likely be the best time to come out and almost seal this game up.

I think the maximum we have left are two scum, but if that is the case, we likely have a vigilante as well. The one thing I am slightly disturbed by is the lack of information via the deaths, i.e. pro-pop/anti-pop, so we don't know what roles these people had. I know that I would not guess the role I have with my role (although it makes sense in a circular fashion), so I would be interested in what people think stupid_ and PBuG were.

So,
1: Dirge and myself (2 kills)
2: Dirge and massive (0 kills)
3. Last night: Dirge and jereic (1 kill)
So unless Sid Vicious and Marilyn Manson are in the same group, I think Dirge and jereic are cleared.

Looking over the first day, specifically the final push towards the lynch of viQLes, bk is added to my list of cleared as is za. Five cleared in my mind out of 8 is not bad at all. So that just leaves nard, carmine, and jolle, the crinkle is that Vicious did not do the killing, so it is possible that that group chose not to send jereic out, but that is a minor potential problem imo. I refuse to lynch replacements for meta-game purposes, so jolle could come on and shout he is scum to the heavens and I would not lynch him, well maybe if he did that. For now, my main suspicions lie with carmine and nard.
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Post Post #215 (ISO) » Thu Mar 11, 2004 7:57 pm

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I have come out with all the information i have, except for my role name, which i will give now.


I am Eminem. I can target one person each night and find out who they wree with that night. Thats it.
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Post Post #216 (ISO) » Thu Mar 11, 2004 11:15 pm

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I'm getting rapidly confused by the lack of information on our lynches. I'd agree that both ZONEACE and Dirge are pretty much confirmed along with Tigris (almost definitely), but I'm not so convinced about JereIC. My suspicions from that day 1 slip are still festering, but I haven't seen much more recently to foster them.
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Post Post #217 (ISO) » Thu Mar 11, 2004 11:18 pm

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Additionally, has it occurred to anyone that we hadn't seen a poisoning before now? That ties it up as a hit'n'run, a shooter and a poisoning... currently considering whether the repeated-running-over of massive's lynch indicates that he was the hit'n'run killer or not.
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Post Post #218 (ISO) » Fri Mar 12, 2004 1:16 am

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I agree with Tigris' reasoning, so I think each of Dirge, jereic, and Tigris is innocent. Also, I tend to believe that big_kahunia is Justin Timberlake. I'm quite sure Justin would be pro-pop, so I also consider him innocent.

Next, ZONEACE claimed Eminem.
Tigris wrote:'A slim, dark figure'- does this only remind me of real slim shady?
I think that since Tigris posted this, if ZONEACE were scum, he wouldn't claim Eminem unless he really needed to claim.

That leaves Carmine and nard054. I assume there were 2 Mafia and 1 SK at the beginning of the games, so one of them is the last scum. Nard is the most suspicious imo. I'll explain why later today, but I'm in scholl and have to go to class now.
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Post Post #219 (ISO) » Fri Mar 12, 2004 4:06 am

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I think that we have to consider what the worst possible scenario could be. That would be the game starting with two killing groups: 3 mafia and 1 SK, these are pretty standard numbers for a mini game. The only reason to make it 2 mafia and 1 SK is if the town roles were weak. I don't think that this is the case here since we had one night with no kills.

The SK has not been caught in my opinion. The death scene where the killer recognized that the dress was Versace indicates that it was a woman.

In the worst-case scenario that leaves us with 1 SK and 1 mafia.

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I believe that he was intentionally going to let me hang d1 by the deadline. He said that he couldn't get to a computer, which was on a Monday, I checked the two previous Mondays and he had no trouble getting on mid-day those days.
I blocked him last night and there was only one kill.
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Post Post #220 (ISO) » Fri Mar 12, 2004 4:23 am

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Finally, I can get back online to finish my post. Nard054 has been lurking the whole game. He even admits it, but tries to make it look less scumier, by posting thing like:
nard054 wrote:
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Unknowns: big, carmine, nard (seems dead, I mean patient ~_^, I have a wierd sense of humor, my apologies), stupid_, and viqles

meh, I've had worse :D
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nard054 wrote: 5. I'm always quiet....don't mind me. :D
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Post Post #221 (ISO) » Fri Mar 12, 2004 4:31 am

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Dirge wrote:The SK has not been caught in my opinion.
I think Viqles was the SK. Look at the beginning of day 2:
The mod wrote:That is until someone brings up a sobering point: Sid Vicious didn't own a gun, or a Mercedes. That means that Kylie's killers are still amongst them….
It looks like Viqles wasn't part of the group that killed Kylie. Since in night 1, someone called another person to do the killing, Kylie was killed by the Mafia. If Viqles isn't part of the group that killed Kylie, he must be the SK.
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Post Post #222 (ISO) » Fri Mar 12, 2004 5:13 am

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The mod wrote:
That is until someone brings up a sobering point: Sid Vicious didn't own a gun, or a Mercedes. That means that Kylie's killers are still amongst them….
It looks like Viqles wasn't part of the group that killed Kylie. Since in night 1, someone called another person to do the killing, Kylie was killed by the Mafia. If Viqles isn't part of the group that killed Kylie, he must be the SK.
I'm not sure I really understand that logic. How can he be a SK if he didn't own a gun or mercedes? I think its obvious by the first death scene that Kylie was targeted twice. One was a hit and run, the other a shooting. How could he do this without the use of either of them?

But that still leaves the question of what kind of role he had. Maybe he was the leader of the mafia and just ordered his underlings to get the job done. If you read over the first death scene again, it sounds like orders are being given.
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Post Post #223 (ISO) » Fri Mar 12, 2004 5:48 am

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It is my belief that viqles and massive were two members of a three person mafia team.

Look over the death scenes again. Just because Sid Vicious didn't have a gun or a Mercedes does't eliminate him from being in a group that has a member with a gun/Mercedes.
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Post Post #224 (ISO) » Fri Mar 12, 2004 6:33 am

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so you beleive jereIC is the 3rd member dirge?
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