Mini Normal 2041 [Game Over]

[Gamma Emerald]

Mafia GS would mean we’d prolly have vig and one other town role with a gun

[Gamma Emerald]

i was just looking at another game where there was a mafia gunsmith so thats why i threw it out there

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=77190

or maybe rolecop?

im operating completely under the assumption that a vig who shot BEF would have outed themselves already

Why? And in that case why do you think scum killed widely-scumread BEF?

[Gamma Emerald]

Because if vig shot BEF and didn't out himself, then vig is kinda just letting ourselves dig pits of useless analysis and wifom to make the lynch.

I have no idea why scum would kill BEF, I can only assume pr hunting or wifom.

Well could you make a guess as to who would make that kind of play?

[Gamma Emerald]

Me neither tbh
My honest opinion? That kinda implicates A50, as he’s the one I mostl likely see suggest an out-there kill among this playerlist.

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah I think I agree with that sentiment
VOTE: Mewtaph

[Gamma Emerald]

I was roleblocked?

Wait what UNVOTE:
Could we pause for a second?

[Gamma Emerald]

I want to discuss DVa dropping pants out of nowhere

[Gamma Emerald]

Depending on what DVa’s role is we might be able to figure out a fair amount about the setup
So I think we should put it on the table for open discussion
Not much beyond that really

[Gamma Emerald]

She posted she was roleblocked right? Is that really what you’re concerned about, her being unwilling to share?

[Gamma Emerald]

I forgot hypo was a thing

[Gamma Emerald]

Why didn't A50 investigate me to test my Ascetic claim?

So, THAT is why I wasn't shot!

Scum DO have a RB, and Mew is probably a SCUM DOCTOR, so they kept me alive expecting me to re-target him and get a clear on him.

Well, I didn't target you because I wanted to verify if I was RB'd or not. If I targeted you and didn't get a result again I couldn't have told if I was RB'd or you were Ascetic. By targeting someone else I either get a result = You are Ascetic, or I don't get a result = I am being blocked for the 2nd night and you are on the clear.

HOWEVER, what DrD did -trying to save you- backfired. You ONLY voted him when you fell for my trap (when I said that you could not be scum together).

@EVERYBODY: please go back to when Mew decided to vote DrD and scroll up a couple of posts.

Why would getting a result confirm Mew as Ascetic?

[Gamma Emerald]

Let me remind you of what this lynch is about again.

This Ascetic/Non-Ascetic bullshit. That's it. You all can have fun with deep scum after taking 2 day phases lynching me then Seph, that's not my game to play if you want to take solace in follow-the-investigative that probably isn't even a real thing.

Yeah.. it's not real.. we just deliberated in the scum PT and decided it would be fun to fake I was RB'd and then have DrD claim he JK'd me and then get him lynched to give the Town a chance to compete with us.

Wut

[Gamma Emerald]

You'd rather follow the investigative than play the game. If you want to play the game of night actions, go right ahead.

You do have a point actually. Those bad game designers .. they decided to put an investigative role in the setup! Why in hell would they ever do such evil?? And why would the Town try to make use of the investigative role provided to them by the setup designers?? That's outright cheating. Got it!

Yeah there’s a difference between a game with a cop and a follow-the-Cop game. Maybe it’s greater than what we’re seeing wrt this argument but there’s still a difference between this post and what Mew is saying

[Gamma Emerald]

Ok no problem. Self vote tomorrow and prodge until you get lynched.

If he’s town, do you really want him doing this and not continuing to try and push the town party’s interests?

[Gamma Emerald]

‘-’

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I’ve never really gotten the Seph wagon tbh

[Gamma Emerald]

Is Seph town, Gamma?

I kinda doubt he’s scum, so yeah?

[Gamma Emerald]

A50, do you think scum!Seph gets drained out from motivation to play when he sees a scumflip and a wagon on other partner?

Not necessarily, but maybe it was because of the manner DrD behaved and claimed, plus Mew voting DrD to pave the way for the hammer that got to Seph.

I mean, you've got to agree that was some poor play to claim JK there. It would have worked ONLY if DrD/Mew didn't get lynched, but would expose them both if either got lynched, which is the way things have happened. DrD's claim was bad and Mew's vote was also bad. Now put yourself in Seph's shoes and tell me how you would feel (considering he probably advised against the whole thing in the scum PT).

Okay this is officially bad logic. You’re not sorting Mew by play at all here I see, purely by “oh this claim could have been to protect his buddy!” You need to take the moon logic down a notch.

[Gamma Emerald]

Idk
Kinda thinking Oka+PP makes some sense

[Gamma Emerald]

Do you want PP to be today's lynch?

I think it’s a good idea
VOTE: penguinpower

[Gamma Emerald]

So

Gunsmith
Vig
JK
VT
VT
VT
???
???
???
???

Vs.

Goon
???
???

The setup seems balanced...?

[Gamma Emerald]

Mew needs to claim a target in case we hit scum today, 1) so we can get a clear if 2 people die at night, 2) so vig doesn’t hit the target

[Gamma Emerald]

Claim a target for that scenario beforehand
If we hit scum he follows whatever he laid out, if we hit town he does whatever, though posting a range of targets is also a decent option for either scenario

[Gamma Emerald]

BTW DVa needs to claim now because as I see it her roleblocked claim is a red flag

[Gamma Emerald]

can we also just vote for who to have sephiroth to shoot

As for this I guess but it’s not as important as it doesn’t have the same PoE powers

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah let’s massclaim
Who’s still unclaimed? I’ll write up an order quickly once I get that.

[Gamma Emerald]

I guess that works

[Gamma Emerald]

BTW DVa needs to claim now because as I see it her roleblocked claim is a red flag

Why is that a red flag?

I would slightly prefer Nako claim before me altho I don't think it should change things if I'm right

Because the setup is around balanced rn so another PR would be pushing it

[Gamma Emerald]

@A50 do you really think both the other claimed PRs are mafia? What do you think the setup is?

[Gamma Emerald]

Did we want to hear more from PP before hammer?

See, my non-ascetic claim makes the claim less believable. If one of DDL/DVa flips scum then the other has a very strong chance to. Do not ignore this.

Pretty sure this is not the first post town makes after scum CCs their role and actions.

Only question is why A50 is still alive but I guess it's possible that there's an unclaimed town jk?

pedit: @Gamma, does town ever make 2218 after being CC'd by scum?

I don’t see the issue?

[Gamma Emerald]

Or even bring up the ascetic at all instead of critiquing the plausibility of DrD's claim, the lack of crumbs, etc.

Pedit: Gamma, from his point of view DrD claimed scum and he was more concerned with the ascetic accusations still.

I guess that’s shady
But why play like he has? It’s atrociously eye catching.

[Gamma Emerald]

Actually I did make a similar play trying to CC the actual PR in an open theme
So that needs consideration

[Gamma Emerald]

Can you walk me through what you did exactly and your thought process in being roundabout?

Don’t recall being roundabout there
The PR had come out the previous day phase with a guilty on my buddy, and he had a pretty solid hold on the rest of the scumteam, and was going after me that day. I decided to CC and tried to use my existing reads to bolster my CC, because he’d given an item to my only steady “townread” which I thought I could spin.
So I think the key is to look at what the scenario here is, which requires a full massclaim.

[Gamma Emerald]

@A50 do you really think both the other claimed PRs are mafia? What do you think the setup is?

If Seph is not scum then you are.

?

[Gamma Emerald]

Who is gunsmith fake positive?

?

[Gamma Emerald]

dva > pp > kokichi > gamma > nako > me
: >

@A50 does this look like the massclaim order of someone who suspects me?
It’s fine if you want suggest me being vigged. What isn’t fine is you covering your hide with lies.

[Gamma Emerald]

If I'm an ungated PR in the setup? For sure I'm not going to waste my claim on the tail end of the day just to be a free NK the next night.

My actions were transparent and obvious for me to make as a town JK whether you like it or not.

Yeah I’m still not getting how any of how Mew has been playing this comes from a scum directive.

[Gamma Emerald]

*youtube comments intensify*

What???

[Gamma Emerald]

Just a VT here mate. ♪

[Gamma Emerald]

Hmm
Voyeur is probably like a half strength watcher
So I’d expect mafia to have some sort of small PR if this is all real
But tbh the voyeur feels out of place

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah I think nl is probably bad

[Gamma Emerald]

Not really, I feel like there’s better targets and I’ve been pretty towny, and the scumreads on me look driven purely by paranoia
I’d suggest Kokichi because he’s still a question mark in some areas so resolving that seems smart

[Gamma Emerald]

PP scum flip, Seph shoots self, everyone else action dumps me?

Is that even possible

[Gamma Emerald]

This day is dragging on atm

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Mew
w/e

[Gamma Emerald]

This day is dragging on atm

we're talking about lynching prs and you possibly getting vigged and you're bored?

Yeah I am. Nothing new has really been suggested in what I just read.

[Gamma Emerald]

Why did you ignore Oka on your Voyeur target?

...scumslip...?
I think Seph probably needs death too

[Gamma Emerald]

Why did you ignore Oka on your Voyeur target?

...scumslip...?
I think Seph probably needs death too

Why is that a scumslip?

Looks like you are either admitting Oka is your buddy or making it look that way
And I’m waiting for DVa to give a result

[Gamma Emerald]

And I’m waiting for DVa to give a result

why?

why were you bored yesterday with mechanics but now are waiting for them?

which is it Gamma?

Yesterday nothing new seemed to be happening, it was the same debates about Mew and Seph and PP.

[Gamma Emerald]

intent to hammer

If anyone else feels something hasn’t been discussed enough I’ll hold off, if everyone posts twice without expressing this or doesn’t post twice within 36 hours I’m hammering.

[Gamma Emerald]

Sorry for lack of posting, other games are catching my focus rn
@DVa do you actually have questions for me or are you poking me for no reason and have already made up your mind?

[Gamma Emerald]

Well Gamma, do you have a compelling reason to think it is Penguin + Nako?

Why do you not think it can be Kokichi? I recall you mentioning the possibility of Mafia Doctor, do you really consider that to not be possible?
As for the two things you mentioned in the next post: I don’t remember what exactly I said about the action plan but the Mew vote was because nothing new seemed to be coming up, so I wanted something to flip, and flipping Mew was extra-good in the “shaking up the conversation” department because Mew vs. A50 was drowning out a lot of other things imo.

[Gamma Emerald]

I don’t really know rn
You are asking me to case someone right now but that takes time

[Gamma Emerald]

That is definitely possible. I have been getting bad feeling from her just ignoring the fact she’s on the table as well.
VOTE: DVa

[Gamma Emerald]

gamma emerald has been prodded

Hi, still here
Kinda checked out rn because boredom and I feel kinda useless

[Gamma Emerald]

Sorry for that. I’ll try to give you what you asked for but I’m not sure how good it’ll be.

[Gamma Emerald]

@Almost50 who here have you played with?

All but Nako and Dolittle.

Hem. Who has seen you as town and in what games?

This also feels like a weird question at the moment. Why are you asking only "town" games and not scum ones? TMI slip?

Okay I know the logic to this is somewhere in my brain, and it has something to do with the softing A50 did super early

[Gamma Emerald]

Almost50, what do you think about BEF at the moment?

Would like to chime in that I find the attacks against A50 rather unsettling and maybe telling of who might be on the scumteam

Ok this is ACTUALLY why I asked who had played with town!A50
I figured anyone who had would know his playstyle and how dangerous it can be and want him gone

[Gamma Emerald]

@Almost50 who here have you played with?

All but Nako and Dolittle.

Hem. Who has seen you as town and in what games?

Come on, Gamma. You don't really want me to go through all my games to see who was in which!

Well, you were there when I was Town and PP got lynched as Town on D1 in Diffusion of Powers. Oka was with me in 2 games, but I only remember the one with the Cannibals flavour. Tchill in several games, including one as JJD. Hmm.. As A50 I think he was in the game where everyone was a Dayvig. Radja also in a couple of games.. I think he was in the Team Mafia one with me?? Seph has been with me in the last game I played as AP (and yes he knows it's me now). BEF also (same game as Seph). Joey has been with me in numerous games, including Civilization (which you were also in). Kokichi in 3-4 games, but I can recall the one with Wisdon & N_M where Alisae was scum with Jeanne, and one that immediately followed that where we were Neighbours, and Mastina, Chara, LLD and Toranaga were all in the game. Finally, DVa is an alt and doesn't wish to out.

Well shit. Was thinking someone on the scumteam had knowledge of your Town game and was concerned about it, but that says nothing I guess

Hm with the numbers whittled down I think this should be revisited
DVa what’s you experience with A50 on all your accounts? Some games would be nice

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: PenguinPower
Okay this is approaching lolcat territory

Honestly feel like this could still hold water.
FYI I am working on towncasing myself rn
Btw @Nako who do you want to vote rn?

[Gamma Emerald]

Fuck I lost my progress in the towncase
I’ll get it back and post what I had, probably best to avoid putting too much in one post anyway

[Gamma Emerald]

Let’s note I was fake-skeptical as hell of the Wheme wagon for a long time
I set up my busses. And honestly I had to bus because my team there was dead weight (aside from GRob).

[Gamma Emerald]

DVa what’s you experience with A50 on all your accounts?

My main experience with A50 is in Mini 2040, and if you think I would push for a night 1 kill on him if I was scum here, after that game, you would be mistaken. Conversely, YOUR scumteam opted for an early kill on A50 in NY213 due to him being townread.

Actually it was because I was concerned about his read on me that game

[Gamma Emerald]

I find DVa’s last post laughable. I’ll post why if I need to but a close read should reveal the problem.

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay can we note how previously Nako was pretty much confbiasing towards DVa but is not confbiasing towards me? Also, in general Nako wanting to lynch one of us before FHerPOV confscum Penguin is sketchy. I had noticed that around the time I asked Nako who she wanted to lynch. I was hoping to get a response before dropping that but it seems it won’t happen for a long time.
UNVOTE:
I need to think here. It’d be really weird if DVa wasn’t scum, but I don’t recall Kokichi being very active today so it’s possible it’s Nako + Kokichi.

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma, can you show me the games where you used meta arguments as town?

I can probably find some. Any parameters?

[Gamma Emerald]

I have decided to lynch Gamma if he does not convince me that he is town in 3 days.

Ok. If you don't vote in gamma and dva I'm voting you.

I'm giving you 4 days to do so

Maybe Nako is just responding to these and that’s why they’re focusing on me vs DVa. Still sketchy if so as it looks too concerned about that potential for Kokichi to go after her.

[Gamma Emerald]

If those are all true yes. If no one hammers however then it’s between you and Kokichi.

[Gamma Emerald]

I invited because I wanted to take a step back and evaluate.
Anyway, guess I’ll work on that towncase even if it’s not for you anymore

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Kokichi is the lockest town because of his meta (It was his town meta so much that Joey claimed masons with him and Joey told he can read Kokichi good)
Also Kokichi can't be scum with PP and if he was scum with another persob, he would want me to vote PP (since I was convinced to do that, he could win by saying nothing)

The fact that you unvoted DVa (conf scum to you) to put your vote on a WIFOM target confirmed you as scum and I will leave in few minutes.
I might vote you before leaving.

I'm not even mentioning the possibility of scum doctor is very low because of balance of the game. Kokichi had a GS green.

Why is odds of scum doctor low? Vig and JK are powerful town roles, GS is well used in the hands of an experienced player, and Voyeur is honestly low power but has the ability to verify or deny night action claims.
So why do you think scum has no counter to all of that? If you think they do have a counter, what do you think it is?

[Gamma Emerald]

It’s possible both scum were uncoordinated. I just have a very bad feeling about Nako currently.

[Gamma Emerald]

Kokichi is the lockest town because of his meta (It was his town meta so much that Joey claimed masons with him and Joey told he can read Kokichi good)
Also Kokichi can't be scum with PP and if he was scum with another persob, he would want me to vote PP (since I was convinced to do that, he could win by saying nothing)

The fact that you unvoted DVa (conf scum to you) to put your vote on a WIFOM target confirmed you as scum and I will leave in few minutes.
I might vote you before leaving.

I'm not even mentioning the possibility of scum doctor is very low because of balance of the game. Kokichi had a GS green.

Why is odds of scum doctor low? Vig and JK are powerful town roles, GS is well used in the hands of an experienced player, and Voyeur is honestly low power but has the ability to verify or deny night action claims.
So why do you think scum has no counter to all of that? If you think they do have a counter, what do you think it is?

YOU SKIPPED THIS!!!!

[Gamma Emerald]

The silence confirms your guilt.
VOTE: Nako
I think it’s Nako + DVa, perfectly down to vote either.

[Gamma Emerald]

Because I have the harder read on Nako

[Gamma Emerald]

Btw if you are considering hammering me right now then you not having done so yet is a very nice courtesy following your suggestion to keep watching Danfganronpa V3

[Gamma Emerald]

DVa do you agree or disagree that Nako’s currnt behavior is scummy

[Gamma Emerald]

Why the fuck even
And that’s why you don’t play mafia and watch YouTube, you ask stupid questions

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay, I’m out for the night, stay woke (in game, don’t lose sleep pls)

[Gamma Emerald]

Wut

[Gamma Emerald]

Fuuuuuck.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE COUNT 6.1, FINAL

PenguinPower (2) -

Nako, PenguinPower

Not Voting (1)

- DVa

With 3 alive, it takes 2 to lynch

Deadline:

(expired on 2018-12-24 13:00:00)

Mod Notes:

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PenguinPower has been hammered! He was a

Spoiler:

mafia goon

DVa

(

town voyeur

)

and Nako

(

vanilla townie

)

survive and win

The game is now over, and I'll post the links to the various threads and update the op etc shortly

fuuuuucking hel
rip any chances of a good scumgame going forward

[Gamma Emerald]

Sorry for real life, Gamma. Disappointed in your dead thread talk.

Take the loss as a team.

Yeah I’m just super upset I sunk so much effort to lose it in the end

[Gamma Emerald]

Thanks for the condolences. I just think I’ve hit the Despair Event Horizon for my scumgame.

[Gamma Emerald]

Ok I read the mod PT and the talk of Almost50’s “”””crumb”””” was funny
I think I’m gonna adopt breadloafing into my personal dictionary