Perfect Masquerade [Game Over]

[Lady 2]

I have the simultaneous benefits of not being in this slot at the time, and also knowing this slot's alignment

Anyone who reads that final G3/L2 exchange as anything but t/t or who didn't get goosebumps from L5's pop-in needsa check emselves

[Lady 2]

Sorry if my pushing her to leave kind of threw you off your groove man. I really sincerely think L9 is scum, and the solve L5 was coming to and the way she responded to the L6/G3 death and the way she responded to my replace-in had me pretty sure she was scum. I'll be the first to admit I didn't expect her to just like. Leave on the spot. I am real sorry if that's not how you expected stuff to go down.

[Lady 2]

Countdown to deadline: 0 days, 10 hours, 43 minutes

I'll be entertaining til deadline, so around-ish.

I really think L9 is the last scum. :/
if this runs to deadline I will leave. I'd rather roll the dice on G1 scum than just.. lose by default

This thread is like super dead unless I'm around tho L9 and G1 are both v complacent but L9 feels *more* complacent - I feel like town!her surely realises she's fighting a losing battle and needs to work any angle she can to close this...it feels like she's just sitting around praying for G2 to make the wrong decision.

This is proud scum. It's not town.

[Lady 2]

Implying that I thought L5 was scum for pushing me is pretty disingenuous, I still can't speak to my predecessor's mindset.

Your complacency goes back to pre-L5/G8 flip as well..like your created this G8/L2 solve based on PoE but when I've asked you to expand on your reasons for clearing slots you've basically just alluded that you've PoE'd alignments via sorting a possible scumteam...?

Calling a G8/L2 scumteam yday while hard pushing towards lynching the pair without really clocking any interest in sorting between them is pretty clearly positioning.

I'd even be more comfortable with a stance of "well I know for a fact I'm not scum ergo lynching L2/G1 wins me the game" but you're like... abandoning reasoning which achieves a town wincon in case of really noisy flashy cases which have the depth of a puddle.. I think you're virtue signalling pretty heavily.


Sorry if this is a bit understated. I'm quite hung over but I'm going to try my best to lay out what I'm seeing.

[Lady 2]

I feel like town!her surely realises she's fighting a losing battle and needs to work any angle she can to close this

Lady 2 said, literally the complete opposite of this before, I'm pretty sure

literally incorrect - can you please engage with me in good faith, Lady 9?

[Lady 2]

Your case on me literally boils down to:

- my pred was unable to answer: 1) a case you made in EXTREMELY bad faith against my slot, and 2) a suggestion that she should be clearing you for the same reason she's clearing G1 only a few hours before she had to be v/la until the end of the game. The former would be a waste of time to engage with. The latter was impossible for her to engage with in the time constraints. I've asked you to substantiate and elaborate on this so I can check my pred's position. You've refused to do so.

- I've replaced in and pushed an agenda. No shit. There's less than 48 hours between my replace in and EoD - this is my predecessor's story. I am her mouth piece and her reality check. That is all I can possibly do. The fact you call this an agenda without feeling any necessity to check why I would be playing this way as either alignment is anti-sorting.

- based on preflip associatives with G8 when you felt no urgency about sorting L5/G8 yesterday, just... decided I was scum with one of them via PoE. Going by my predecessor you also virtually ignored our slot until you were in a position where you functionally had nearly no choice but to scumread us.


I have been trying to reality check my predecessor's reads. Very obviously, since my replace in. You ignored my replace in until I called you out for it, and have ignored every attempt I have made to reach out and check my G1 read with you. You have focused only on posts I have made which you can present in a bad light. This has been one of the worst-faith engagements I've experienced in a mafia game; and not in a repulsive way. You're not scum irl. You're just scum in this game.


Your stance is flashy and noisy, and I respect that you're making a play for your win condition. But the more I work through this, the more I am comfortable that you are just not town. I will not be trying to engage with you further, as you have not given me an opportunity to engage with you in good faith. Goodbye, L9. I'll be around if either of the Gentlemen would like to speak.



pedit: you reached a position of PoE like ages ago I have not seen you reevaluate anything since I replaced in

[Lady 2]

This doesn't feel difficult but I do not envy G2 his position in this gamestate.

[Lady 2]

you're not like considering g1 scum tho you just want to shoot down my pred's argument so i'm not really sure how to press forward with that :s

i'd love to check my pred's read on that but you're just yelling "that particular part of your pred's stances was particularly erroneous because i say it is!!!" and like you don't want to use it to solve alignments, you just want me to note that it's poor argument skill from my pred

so... ok?

[Lady 2]

i was kinda interested in engaging with you at first, yes.

[Lady 2]

i spent a bizarrely long time trying to reach out to you my friend

[Lady 2]

Countdown to deadline: 0 days, 8 hours, 36 minutes

just keeping myself wary of deadline

[Lady 2]

insinuating i didn't continuously try to reach out to you is like.. idek it's the opposite of what happened here

[Lady 2]

unfortunately i'm not the og l2 but she felt pretty strongly about you/g7/g8 not being scum
she said she worked back from g7's movements in dance 1 - that's about all i got.

i haven't had time to dive dance one and won't be able to over the next few hrs.

[Lady 2]

i can check her notes if you want
to paraphrase it's around: g7's earlier interactions with g1/g8 makes her think they aren't scum together

[Lady 2]

like one of you has to be scum
l2 felt pretty strongly about it being you, and didn't think it was g1

so i'm sorry if you feel that particular aspect of her case is weak but that doesn't really mean much here

[Lady 2]

using pairing logic there's no reason you/g2 shouldn't have died during the intermission :c

[Lady 2]

....... which means there's very likely scum in l5/g8 yeah

i have no idea what you're trying to propose is s/s there dude how pretzel-shaped are you bending yourself for this read

[Lady 2]

him picking us in that situation would be like... incredibly wolfy...

[Lady 2]

you're casing scum motivation in g8, who is flipped scum
this isn't an explicitly s/s move

i don't think he could have gotten away with that regardless of my alignment...?

[Lady 2]

you're casing scum motivation in g8, who is flipped scum

u:

[Lady 2]

i still don't understand your clear on g1 and your agenda against me is completely unbelievable

there's like, a universe where this argument is t/t but i think town!l9 actually evaluates that at some point..? doubling down on doubling down like this is a mislynch agenda

i appreciate that if she's town, she needs to lynch this pair - but i *had* anxieties about g1. i don't dislike his iso and the main read i have there is sheeping the former l2's rundown of the game. just l9's conduct since my replacein is so clearly positioning i'm here like ://

[Lady 2]

i don't think he could have gotten away with that regardless of my alignment...?

He got away with it for l5

wasn't my slot being more widely regarded as town than l5 the whole point of what you were saying? :s

[Lady 2]

L9 this phase has:
- insisted that i, and g8, are scum, at the exclusion of every other slot. she has not evaluated her reads on any other slots, just doubled down on us being the scumteam.
- insisted there was a scum in {l2,g1} and a scum in {l5, g8}.
- entered f4 doubling down on her l2 scumread again, without evaluating g1 or making any effort to engage with me in a reasonable fashion.

despite my slot and l9 heavily scumreading each other, she absolutely insisted that l5/g8 flipped first - given i was erroneously pushing a solve of l5/l9 and she was pushing a solve of g8/l2 i sincerely believe this choice of lynch order came from somebody who knew that g8's flip would look optically worse for my slot.

my sincerity around the l5 misread and requesting her to leave should probably be fairly transparent and the way g8 handled both his flipped partner, and l9's pairing, in his readlist are optically different but functionally identical.

l9 has been lining this up. it's not a bad trap but it's feeling more and more transparent the more she bends evidence to suit her narrative.

[Lady 2]

Countdown to deadline: 0 days, 7 hours, 12 minutes

quick update for this page.

[Lady 2]

i'd say this is the towniest slot i have ever replaced into on any site o.0

[Lady 2]

- insisted that i, and g8, are scum, at the exclusion of every other slot. she has not evaluated her reads on any other slots, just doubled down on us being the scumteam.

Reminder that the living pairs at this time, from my point of view, are:

G1/L2
L5/L8

L9/G2

What do you want me to reevaluate?

slots you could have reevaluated marked here in wonderful purple

again, if you are town we are at a massive mathematical advantage: it's strictly +ev for you to spew as much genuine thought process as possible. instead you held your cards close, cried poe when asked to elaborate on reads, and hoped that you'd coast through. :/

[Lady 2]

despite my slot and l9 heavily scumreading each other, she absolutely insisted that l5/g8 flipped first

This is just untrue and I even asked gent 2 to move/look at you in the pt

.... while not reevaluating yourself
or talking about it in the main thread

at this point in the game hood interactions are basically misguided, or pocketing. i've asked g1 to keep talking in the mainthread rather than the hood because they push on antitown in mylo

we all need to be dropping as much readable info as we can

[Lady 2]

i guess a cooler version of me would be like "woaahhh nice virtue signalling l9 thumbs up!"

[Lady 2]

Calcs are probs off but at rand your partnership is 75% t/t and ours is 50% t/t - that's mathematically sound if you're town


It's just not true :/

I'm sick of this shading. I don't care enough to get petty with you, and I have a party to set up for. If you're town you've given up on trying to work with me which makes me think we're in one of those situations where you're just very comfortable showing your hand.

I hope G2 makes the correct call here.

[Lady 2]

Half the posts in my pt are me asking gent 2 to just sit down and read the game, even highlighting parts that I think are important, and asking what he's thinking because he isn't giving any info

That's just very consistent with the pocketing mindset you skipped when I replaced in..

[Lady 2]

@G2 if you're absolutely sold and you won't leave, just ask. I'll leave for the chance. But I think you're making a mistake.

[Lady 2]

yeah.

[Lady 2]

I'm absolutely convinced it's L9. if you think she's town and it's in {G1, me} please say so before deadline. without you we can't get the L9 lynch anyway. so if you're not interested in leaving, I will

[Lady 2]

Countdown to deadline: 0 days, 3 hours, 49 minutes

just out of habit - we have a little bit of time but not much

[Lady 2]

on G2's instruction i'll leave. i'm around til deadline. i think it's l9 but if he absolutely disagrees, i'd rather take the chance on flipping g1 than lose.

[Lady 2]

Just so the seriousness is known..my pred implored me to convince G2 to leave at any costs like she was all but 100% sure L9 was scum. Wasn't as sure on the partner but was pinged by L5 (I definitely had a worse impression from L5 than she did; v much my misread). I do think L9 looks s/s with G8. I don't think G1 is driving an agenda but he's really fucking complacent here, I didn't like the way he jumped into out pt, and I'm not completely convinced it's not just him

That being said
I want L9 quite a lot more


But that's impossible without G2's support. And I will not deadline this without taking a chance on G1 being the last scum.

[Lady 2]

Hi here

[Lady 2]

You ready/ish to make a call?

[Lady 2]

He hasn't really said; I considered reaction testing him but I remembered the only way I could actually valuably do that would result in us both leaving... : / it's hard to test survivalism.

Our pt hasn't been super spicy tbh

[Lady 2]

I'm sorry I'm not as into this as my previous form was - but - anything you want to talk through g2?

[Lady 2]

Alright. I'm going to keep checking in man. If you're anxious, just talk through stuff.

pedit: oh yeah for posterity I basically strongarmed G1 into ignoring the pt; he wanted to talk more in there but I think pts are kinda dangerous in a vanilla XyLo where everything we think *should* be public sans like literally gambits

[Lady 2]

Great game guys. Well played G2 - I was seriously scared at the end there.

Well played L9. You were in a bad spot and you played this really well.

Sorry I was still a little paranoid on you, G1. And sorry for the intensity, L5.



Thanks for modding, FG! :> hopefully I redeemed myself!

[Lady 2]

Bitch no one is lady 2 but LADY 2

[Lady 2]

Hi Replacement Lady 2,

Sorry for the short notice and having you replace into this game a day prior to full deadline. It is unfortunate but I have absolutely unavoidable V/LA. I had hoped that the game could be ended today but that doesn't look plausible at this point.

We're Town, obviously. There are two remaining scum out of the rest of the living players minus the IC - I'll use G# for Gentleman and L# for Lady - G2 is the IC and the remaining scum are in: G1, G8, L5, L9

The players are paired as follows:

G1-L2 (us)
G2-L9
G8-L5

If you want to read anything read starting from Second Dance

I'm all but certain L9 is scum and therefore that G2 should leave dance, forcing her out. I am not 1000% sure on her buddy but since I said last night that G2 should leave because I believe strongly that L9 is scum, L5 has been pushing back against that in a way that suggests they're buddies to me.

I have been uncertain about L1 for much of the game and at one point thought I would leave to take him out and get a flip, but L7 left before me and her dance partner G7 flipped scum. Since then I've become more firmly convinced of L9 scum to the point of asking the IC to leave to take her out. I haven't said as much to G1 but I do think that his approach to the game right now, which is focusing on reading me (?!) and trying to glean information from parts of the game he claims make him too mad to read them actually seem very erratic from scum. When I asked people about which two players they thought were likeliest to be the last two scum together L9 left me out completely because I've been widely Townread most of Second Dance, but as soon as I came down on her she did the only thing she could do as scum here and tried to make a case that I'm scum and she's the last T-T pair. L5 looks too willing to believe L9 is Town for my taste based on the pairings she posted prior to my call for L9's head as well.

If L9 were Town I firmly believe scum would have killed the IC pair with her during Intermission and failing that that she'd have been tried as a mislynch at some point. I had the chance to discuss things very briefly with G3, who was forced out of the dance when his partner L6 (also Town) ragequit after being voted once G7 flipped scum. G3 was quite rational and sympathetic about a frustrating game, and at that point when he was confirmed Town but the Mod hadn't posted the flip he told me that he thought L9 must be scum and that one of L5/G8 probably was because both had pushed him for what he saw as spurious reasons and he ended up being in a Town-Town pair. I had some paranoia and questioned him about betting that I was the likeliest T-T pair with G1 and he said it was his best guess. I spent a LOT of time reading and thinking and questioning but on the whole I've come to the same conclusions.

I also believe that some of G7's material First Dance strongly implies that G8 and G1 are not scum together. So there's that.

Instructions: Please insist that G2 leave. G2 has been erratic and uncooperative for confirmed Town but it's what we have and he is Town. Then if that happens please vote out the L5/G8 pair, unless I'm so wrong that L9 is Town and game is over. You will have to work with G1 and he's a bit frustrating but right now I do think he's more likely Town than the other pair and I think he's legitimately trying.

Sorry for leaving the game in this situation, like I said it's unavoidable for RL reasons.