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[Wake1]

Let's say we lynch UP today.

If he flips Town, how does that factor into your plan?

[Wake1]

sorry im in the middle of christmas madness right now

i think we should lynch elements and gg

Why?

[Wake1]

are all these "why"s leading up to some pure analytical power?

How about you give your snarkiness a rest, Elements?

All you're doing is pissing me off, and you're not doing yourself

any

favors doing that.

[Wake1]

I need to reread Day 1 again.

[Wake1]

V/LA until 12/26. Merry Christmas all.

[Wake1]

Looker: scummy, can't quite put my finger on why, prob gut and post #272 as well as the other posts being fluff

Trash, also known as unsubstantiated garbage.

Right now I think Saudade is town. I don't much care for his minimalistic posting style, but he seems to want to progress the game along and get us away from the pointless discussion that has clogged the past few pages.

I don't see this. Can you point me to a post where he was progressing the game as opposed to spamming the thread? I'm trying to determine whether my distrust of him is based on alignment or personality.

Okay, you guys stop it now and move on.
The last 10 pages of content are literally useless (well almost, its only use is for townreading wimpy but thats very narrow)

WHERE ARE THE OTHER PEOPLE

Also you are spending so much energy arguing with wimpy but it doesnt bring us an inch closer to our goal, so, again, vorkuta!!! Focus child

Its not about who is right in this argument its about making sure we lynch scum d1 and then do it again tomorrow

Whether or not he's successful in progressing the game along remains to be seen, but the point is that there an attempt/desire to move the game past the shenanigans of the previous pages. I don't think these wretched scum would make these posts.

I reluctantly concede.
UNVOTE:
I just really wanted him to be scum so that we could lynch him and cut the page count moving forward in half. I'm sorry for my selfishness.

Precept Twenty-Three: Identify the Foes Weak Point. Every foe you encounter has a weak point, such as a crack in their shell

or being asleep

. You must constantly be alert and scrutinising your enemy to detect their weakness!

This made me smile and laugh out loud.

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I haven't read Wake yet, but I will. I do remember enough to understand the irony of this situation, though.

Can't put my finger on it, but this post makes me think it could be Zote as the partner.

[Wake1]

I'd rather lynch wake then me
VOTE: wake

You seem rather defensive.

I was not even voting for you, and I was looking at Zote's slot.

Did you mistype?

[Wake1]

I'd rather lynch wake then me
VOTE: wake

You seem rather defensive.

I was not even voting for you, and I was looking at Zote's slot.

Did you mistype?

do you want to reassess what you're saying to make sure it's logical

What are you talking about?

I'm not voting you. Eve is.

Again, you seem rather defensive. Why are you voting me just to save yourself? Is that your only reason?

[Wake1]

As wrong as I think Elements is, and the fact that I

could

hammer him right now, I think an Eve lynch would be better.

[Wake1]

Elements, if you vote Eve I will vote her as well.

Your choice.

[Wake1]

if you're happy voting eve, why don't you vote them?
Why do you need me to vote for her first?

Because I would like to vote Eve because I trust her slot the least. Does that make sense?

But, if you won't vote her, have it your way.

VOTE: Elements

I'm

so

beyond trying to persuade someone who does nothing but fight. If you're Town I don't need you around during LYLO to get in my way.

If I'm killed tonight, fine. At least this game will come to a close.

And for the other Townies besides me reading this, if you try to mislynch me during End Day we lose. Remember that.

[Wake1]

And if Eve somehow lives to tomorrow, I'm near certain she's Scum.

[Wake1]

And if she is alive next Day, make her claim.

[Wake1]

Very interesting.

[Wake1]

I'm going to need time to read these ISOs.

[Wake1]

Thing is, I am Town.

It's STILL a bitch trying to deduce who the last Scum is. With Looker lynched early on all we have are the bare minimum associations from Day 1. Dunn was right on it being tougher for Town to win if Scum is lynched way earlier, because of lack of connections.

I'm not voting. I also work yet again tonight, and have been stretched thin.

I think Eve is Scum, but my gut tells me it could be Plank because I don't suspect him otherwise. Usually what I think is wrong, but my guy is usually right.

Do either of you think it's implausible for a Night 3 Loyal Jailkeeper to exist in this game? Besides Alimdia what other PRs were there?

Did both of you claim VT?

[Wake1]

And if Eve somehow lives to tomorrow, I'm near certain she's Scum.

why did you say "somehow lives to tomorrow" while at the same time being near certain i'm scum? were you expecting me to be nightkilled?

i'd feel so bad if Wake won as scum with his play this game

answer this wake

also why didn't you try and make me claim straight away?

I was expecting you to be Scum. Since Town can't NK Scum and Scum isn't going to NK itself, why would you think I meant something else?

I counter by asking you why

you

didn't claim straight away.

[Wake1]

also why you would think i could be nightkilled if you are scumreading me so much

You're misreading my quote.

I was convinced you were Scum, which is why I said if you somehow survived then you must be Scum.

Does that make sense?

[Wake1]

If you're Town and vote me we lose.

I'd rather you and Plank cross-vote. That way you'd find out very quick if I'm Town or Scum.

I AM Town.

[Wake1]

If you're Town and vote me we lose.

I'd rather you and Plank cross-vote. That way you'd find out very quick if I'm Town or Scum.

I AM Town.

oh my God...... i am

this

close to voting you

You know, I wouldn't be upset if you did. I really hate 3-player LYLO, and would rather have the game and than deal with a migraine trying to convince you of anything assuming you're also Town.

[Wake1]

I may just gamble by voting Plank, see if you respond with a quickvote or not.

[Wake1]

*would rather have the game end.

[Wake1]

I'm trying to figure out why Elbirn was killed by Scum.

Also all 3 of us voted for Elements. I got piss by how he would just fight, and why I admit I was being impatient it did feel really good, and if we lose because of that I won't feel bad whatsoever.

I'm gonna look over the last few pages.

[Wake1]

I'm *this* close to gambling by voting Plank, but fearful that if I do Eve's gonna hammer. Plank laying real low in the background is bothering me. Eve's at least being active, even though activity does NOT make you Town or Scum.

God damn it.

Hindsight is 20/20.

Bet there's some mad people in the Dead Thread right now.

[Wake1]

everyone wants to claim last i guess

i've got a real powerful claim lined up so i'll go later thanks

Could you explain this to me, please?

Didn't you claim VT today?

[Wake1]

It didn't feel like sarcasm.

[Wake1]

he flips scum so it's all fine

Plank isn't scum try again

God damn it you two.

[Wake1]

*fights the air*

[Wake1]

Plank, you've been online TODAY.

Like 0148 today, 1/2/2020.

Where are you? I KNOW you've been online.

Get your ass in here. NOW.

[Wake1]

sorry im in the middle of christmas madness right now

i think we should lynch elements and gg

How is what I've done a scum play?
Also plank and eve have yet to claim

Hindsight is 20/20.

WHY were you so convinced it was Elements?

I got rid of him because he pissed me off, and I didn't want him getting in my way in LYLO.

But you? What was YOUR reason? What the HELL made you so sure?

[Wake1]

VOTE: Elements

would rather lynch him over plank actually- his tunnelvisioning and some of his arguments like the cyclic argument post that looks reasonable if you gloss over it is pretty convuluted

I want YOU to elaborate on this.

And I want to see his Planks *reasons* mesh up with yours.

[Wake1]

NOBODY vote yet.

I'm gonna comb through this motherfucking thread from the fucking beginning.

The first asshole who votes gets throttled.

[Wake1]

lol

being inactive all game and then active in lylo

okay wake

you went to the game in lylo because he "pissed you off" and not because you thought he was scum? er, righto

VOTE: Wake88

fakest shit ever

i will end day7 the way that day1 should have ended

You need to unvote now.

If Eve is Scum and she votes me right now, we

lose

.

[Wake1]

lol

being inactive all game and then active in lylo

okay wake

you went to the game in lylo because he "pissed you off" and not because you thought he was scum? er, righto

VOTE: Wake88

fakest shit ever

i will end day7 the way that day1 should have ended

You need to unvote now.

If Eve is Scum and she votes me right now, we

lose

.

why are you saying this as if you know my alignment though?

Because if you are Town and Eve is Scum she will end the game by quickhammering me.

[Wake1]

i've been pretty transparently town and it's pretty funny to watch you have like zero opinions all game and then suddenly have an opinion in lylo

bitch about the direction of the game all game, while not doing anything to help it

get to lylo, suddenly pretend like you're actually invested in this game

plz

To be honest, sitting back and looking at this, this is something Scum would say, having allowed me to survive until LYLO because I've been relatively inactive.

However, activity does not equal alignment.

What exactly has made you transparently Town, Plank? I want you to be specific.

[Wake1]

and if you're scum there's no problem

i also cannot see myself voting eve in this lylo

I guess we'll wait for Eve.

If she doesn't quickhammer me, then it's

on

.

[Wake1]

Plank, if you are Town, what do you think about Alimdia re-checking my Night 3 Loyal Jailkeeper claim for format accuracy? "Town Night 3 Loyal Jailkeeper."

Initially I had told Alimdia it was a Night 3 1-shot Jailkeeper. I had then posted I misread it, and corrected it.

Does that sound more like a Scumslip or a Townslip to you?

[Wake1]

it's pretty funny how your suspicion of zote slot is suddenly non-apparent today wake, because getting Eve lynched seems off the table

this is why i was not wanting to influence the direction of this lylo btw, because there's a lot of sketchy shit i wanted to form an opinion of before i laid my vote down

I never said she was off the table.

If I knew who Scum was I wouldn't be uncertain on who Scum currently is.

Assuming you are Town you should at least be sharing your thoughts and contributing. I can understand holding back Day 1. I hate Day 1. But LYLO? That's different.

[Wake1]

you thought zote slot (eve) was the partner

but voted elements to 'get them out of your way'

I'm allowed to be uncertain. And I'm allowed to be wrong at times.

You may not know this, but I can be ruthless, even as Town.

I don't play the stupid "you must be this this this and this to be Town" game. Most of that shit is bullshit and Scum can just emulate it to look the Towniest of Town.

[Wake1]

i mean tbh snippets like that post about zote were the thing that made me think yeah okay maybe you're just low activity town

lol, i actually consider day1 the most informative day to re-read in games and shitty activity and low effort on day1 to be the most infuriating annoying thing

lylo's a bigger crapshoot than any day1 will ever be, everything is basically wifom and the game is won or lost on a coin-toss. i consider basically fuckall said in lylo to hold any-meaning

I guess we just play the game differently.

As Town, I hate Day 1. With no flips and no evidence all it is is conjecture. I get that there are times you can get the players talking and start having patterns develop that can be looked on later. I don't know. I tend to play selfishly as Town, and I do get that that can be a problem. I think this LYLO is particularly hard because half of the Scumteam died Day 1, so we're basically totally deprived of Scum associations most of this game. It's been more or less like trying to hunt an SK instead.

[Wake1]

i don't think scum can emulate it over a game that goes to 3p lylo

if a game gets to 3p lylo it's always just a bunch of contentious slots, like this

I think some certainly can, which is a scary thing.

Basically if you're Town I'm hoping I can find a way to connect with you and hopefully win this game together.

I don't know which of you is Scum. I'm always doubting myself as Town, while I watch more confident players mislynch Town.

[Wake1]

Plank, if you are Town, what do you think about Alimdia re-checking my Night 3 Loyal Jailkeeper claim for format accuracy? "Town Night 3 Loyal Jailkeeper."

Initially I had told Alimdia it was a Night 3 1-shot Jailkeeper. I had then posted I misread it, and corrected it.

Does that sound more like a Scumslip or a Townslip to you?

it sounds like wifom to me

I don't think it is.

Look at the other role PMs.

I get that I'm kinda playing cheaply as Town by pointing at the role PM formatting, but if it can help in netting a Town win I don't see an issue with it.

[Wake1]

anyway i need to nap

im not unvoting, im thoroughly exhausted of this game and win or lose i dont want to prolong it any further.

if im wrong well gg whatever

again no idea why tf these are things that you suddenly want to discuss at the point of lylo when it's fucking meaningless instead of having these conversations on earlier days?

and yes, this whole game has had a lack of associative tells, nice of you to suddenly have thoughts about the game when it's basically too late to help? real cool i guess? dunno what you even want me to say at this point

where was this wake on previous days and how do you expect me to give you a pass for doing none of this during the actual important parts of the game?

insanity

While the timing isn't that great, are we too late?

[Wake1]

Could you please at least unvote to buy us some time just in case Eve is Scum?

[Wake1]

Plank, I noticed you were on the Looker wagon even when he was hammered.

I don't think Scum-Plank would have bussed his partner Day 1, especially if there were only two of you.

[Wake1]

I'm trying to figure this game out and if you're Town I desperately need you to be willing to work with me. I am chaotic, and things just happen as they do. There is no set order to things with me.

In 402 you voted Looker. You did eventually hop off on 539, but went back on 625.

If you were Scum would you really have done that? You wouldn't have had to have bussed.

This makes me think you're Town. I don't see a 2-man Scumteam bussing Day 1 when it could have been easily prevented.

And I don't think Eve was being sarcastic, either, about role-claiming. I was too hasty in hammering Elements.

[Wake1]

but right now i'm not liking you were so close to "gambling" voting for Plank and are now convincing him that i'm scum

Well, I

am

allowed to change my mind as the game progresses, and I'm not particularly concerned with your not liking it if you're Scum.

[Wake1]

I don't see UltimatePlank bussing his only Scum partner Day 1.

There's no real advantage for Scum to do that, unless it's one of those rare Hail Mary moves where you bus your only partner Day 1. How often does that really happen though? And doesn't Scum have Daytalk? If UP were Scum and bussing Looker, they'd both have to be very confident Day 1 that UP would get all the way through this game to the End. Doesn't it sound like a stretch? Not saying it's impossible, but what are the odds? What seems more likely? If anything UP does feel like at-odds-with-me Town than Scum who is in my blind spot.

I'm going to have to take a chance.

VOTE: Eve

[Wake1]

ugh

i voted elements because i thought his tunneling on Plank was fake

Wake is probably just scum and i'm being paranoid - at least i can blame everyone else in this game that was townreading plank and scumreading wake if we lose

I need you to be more specific than that.

What exactly were the things about Elements tunneling on Plank felt fake to you?

[Wake1]

VOTE: Eve

gg

sorry

*sigh*

I'm assuming you were Scum?

[Wake1]

Was it part of the plan to just bus Looker or did you feel you had no choice but to have him lynched Day 1?

[Wake1]

I'm not even mad about it.

You played well.