mystery box of silver 10. (done)

[Menalque]

Fucking kill Menalque ASAP
I was scum, but Menalque is still not fucking town

lmao

[Menalque]

Now to ride that towncred to another sweet scum victory, thanks gamma!

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(I am genuinely sorry if this was an unpleasant experience for you)

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Melanque

Titus.....

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Oh, also

VOTE: gamma

Sorry @BM I was enjoying our spot of horse trading but looks like even with that gamma has more votes

I’ll back you on Sam!slot tomorrow if this does green tho

i'll give you some points for following through on the bus then. I guess I lose some points for pushing a counterwagon to Gamma.

Although in fairness, I was just sheeping April

April is scum too tho

This is like classic FL scum — coast out, try to assert himself to divert from gamma while making out that it’s just that he’s getting engaged with the game

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@Gamma, Talk to us to get Menalque lynched. You have a limited amount of time. I gotta go but it would be real helpful if you cased him, even with insider info if you have it.

I 100% agree with him and if im alive tomorrow i’ll explain exactly why

Spice-say-say

I’m intrigued to see how you’re planning to get my flip now that gamma is outed as scum but yeah, sure

[Menalque]

When have you actively seen me coast out as scum in the past 2 years?

Coasting until your buddy came under pressure*

[Menalque]

I’m not flipping tomorrow BM

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Mena would be the best/most interesting flip tomorrow but im gonna have to work hard to get it done

It won’t be happening but I guess you can dream my dude

[Menalque]

Tomorrow we flip April or Taylor the day after the other one

Then probably plus?

Then we figure it out from there

[Menalque]

I’ll just Vig Mena

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It’s good to know you’re not a vig this game April, that’s a relief

[Menalque]

I guess it’s because you don’t die, actually, so i can understand the relief actually

Correct

I can entirely buy you vigging me as town

I don’t think you’ll NK me tho seeing as I think you’re aware enough of the gamestate to believe you can maybe support a push on me tomorrow from BM/superbowl

[Menalque]

You know it’s not as simple to just flip me, right

I know, tomorrow will be laborious and maybe I’ll get tired and do Taylor instead and we can do you D3 like you suggested?

[Menalque]

You know I love you papa leaf but you gots to be dyin in the next couple of days

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This is just another incorrect read for me on Gamma.

I seem to remember you claiming a high accuracy rate on gamma previously

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Why can’t some just investigate me?

So the scumteam has some form of invest protection? Good to know!

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Do you think I’m town, FL?

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You’ll know I’m town tomorrow

The burden is on you to sell me on this not being your scumgame bc it really looks like your scumgame to me

[Menalque]

Why am I scum superbowl

[Menalque]

Why am I scum superbowl

Pretty sure I made a post abt this

Thought you said you were gonna explain tomorrow but I could have missed it

[Menalque]

Yeah I just looked: you did not, in fact, make a post about it

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So your argument is basically that I’m scum for sheeping whatever the highest wagon at the time was?

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Because I mean, yes, that is entirely what I was doing early game but no, it doesn’t follow in the slightest that I’m scum because of that

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How do you believe a large theme works, superbowl?

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This isn’t me debating it with you, this is just me establishing the grounds for that

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How do you believe a large theme works, superbowl?

Whoever can get the most posts wins right?

Well no but actually yes

What I was actually getting at is that it’s impossible to have any sort of meaningful read until wagons have become serious in a large and people are at risk of being guillotined

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Fuckin A mastina I’d really forgotten how much fun playing with you can be

[Menalque]

Okay, I think BM is actually just claiming scum

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otoh. Mena and to a lwesser extent suberbowl, trying to rush a Gamma lynch looks p bad to me.

I'm of the opposite mindset.

Without Menalque hard-pushing for Gamma's death, we might not have ousted Gamma D1.

And the way Menalque pushed Gamma is, 100%, not the way a scumbuddy would push their scumbuddy.

Suggesting otherwise is literally the most backwards-ass moonlogicky shit ever.

Menalque is HARD-cleared by Gamma's flip.

...that's not even close to what happened. Menalque was not a leading proponent of the Gamma wagon, and at one point was part of the counterwagon. He abandoned the counterwagon when it stalled to re-join the already big Gamma leadwagon.

Your revisionist history here to defend Menalque under false pretenses is scummy.

Assuming Menalque flips red too, Mastina next obviously please.

This is a scumpost

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I know BM a little and this is bad faith posting which is ime very reliable as a scumtell

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I was briefly, I think A50 was on too?

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Menalque was not a leading proponent of the Gamma wagon,

This incidentally, is just a lie, but it’s the way the rest of the post is so steeped in agenda that it’s obvious scumposting

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I know BM a little and this is bad faith posting which is ime very reliable as a scumtell

Nah, you just don’t like what he’s posting. Doesn’t make him scum.

No, actually, on this occasion it does make him scum

Same thing gamma did earlier with his scumresd on me. Burden of competence — BM is too good a player to legitimately have that take

[Menalque]

So, okay

I think probably no more than one in (April, MM)

Tsylor is still a high equity scumslot for the soft defence of gamma and then getting salty when called on it

Plus and ddl are both straddling the line of bait and scum

Super Bowl is annoying but town

Nero is town, mastina is town, Titus is town

Chemist is maybe town? Actually yeah, chemist town

A50 town, norwee town

Shelly probably town for the CW

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i mean, there's no hidden agenda - it's pretty clear. I think you and Mastina are SCUM. and no lie from me - you'll note I'm not the only person who said this, but you're singling me out.

on me - if i was scum and you were town here, there's no chance i'm wasting my time chasing you as a mis-elim lol

much MUCH easier fish to fry. Same with Mastina. I literally repped out of a game where I was scum going up against mastina because i got so frustrated (not entirely down to her admittedly).

I didn’t say the agenda was hidden?

No, you don’t think that, you’re pretending to think that because it’s convenient and because gamma going down speed too many people town and you’re trying to do damage control by (1) doctoring history and (2) trying to sew doubt

Self meta blah blah, we both know you think too much of yourself as scum for that to be true

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I know BM a little and this is bad faith posting which is ime very reliable as a scumtell

Nah, you just don’t like what he’s posting. Doesn’t make him scum.

No, actually, on this occasion it does make him scum

Same thing gamma did earlier with his scumresd on me. Burden of competence — BM is too good a player to legitimately have that take

Disagree.

In what world does he shade you, me, and Mastina in this gamestate as scum?

The one where he thinks that looks like something scum wouldn’t do and doesn’t think he’s next on the chopping block?

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I think you have Flavor Fever, Menalque.

I really messed you up because of Pokemon Fusion, didn’t I?

Eh just take it as a compliment of how much I think of your scumgame

[Menalque]

Vecna needs to post more

Of the slots I’m not as sure on:

Ban hydra prob town

TGP eh

Diamond sentinel leaning town

Bell eh

Echo!slot still town

Jjh I’ll sheep mastina on even tho he’s ringing some scumbells for me

Pickaxe Pete eh

[Menalque]

what in the fuck is this?

It’s a copypasta

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Okay, the PoE for tomorrow is (MM, plus, ddl, taylor, bell, pickaxe pete)

I’m gonna give TGP some more time + also sorta sheep mastina

In the (frighteningly slim) number of worlds where MM isn’t scum, april goes into the pool

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Gamma Emerald

(10):

Ban Hydras

,

Pickaxe Pete

,

Titus

,

superbowl9

,

NorwegianboyEE

,

mastina

,

Nero Cain

,

Menalque

, PlusJOYED,

Chemist1422

,

TGP

,

diamond sentinel

Ban Hydras

(3):

shellyc

,

Gamma Emerald

shellyc

(3):

April Ludgate

,

Morning Mage

,

Almost50

NorwegianboyEE

(3):

DrDolittle

,

Tayl0r Swift

Menalque

(1):

jjh927

Almost50

(1):

Vecna

April Ludgate

(1):

EchoVision

not voting (1):

Bell

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Ffs so close, imagine plus’ name to be a nice shade of red

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Actually, looking at that, I think if plus!scum probably only 1 in (ddl, tsylor)

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That’s pretty weak Wagonomics, Menalque.

It’s not meant to be a proof, it’s to see if my reads make sense when I look at the EoD visually

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menal do you want to explain your towncase on norwee here bc i am really not seeing it

Nah not really, I’m happy to townbin him because there are a bunch of other slots who are worse

I’ll revisit if I need to if the current PoE doesn’t end the game

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We’re doing MM tomorrow, this is not a conversation

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That’s pretty weak Wagonomics, Menalque.

It’s not meant to be a proof, it’s to see if my reads make sense when I look at the EoD visually

There's a few problems I see with that EoD shading. Would you mind?

By all means!

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MM is very obviously scum and we’re never not elimming there tomorrow

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MM is very obviously scum and we’re never not elimming there tomorrow

I think mastina has a soft spot for MM. Not sure and I am too lazy to check.

Nah, I don’t think so, p sure she had them in the scumpool area of her readslist

[Menalque]

MM, it literally doesn’t matter what you claim, you’re getting eliminated tomorrow

That’s just the way it is this game

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why is MM scum

Attempting to rewrite the game narrative in a very scum motivated way, actively lying about it, and trying to seed doubt about the towniest slots

Probably didn’t realise it was going to go this badly wrong, but hey, that happens sometimes

[Menalque]

Spam posting isn’t going to save you

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I have, at a minimum, Titus and mastina

Chemist probably comes on board too

Jjh probably joins mastina

Nero will be an ass about it but I’ll wager he probably ultimately comes on

Pretty sure suoerbowl will un-tunnel from me tomorrow which means I’ll have him on too

That’s 7

Norwee will join if I ask him to, I think

That’s 8

Ban hydra probably joins, 9

TGP will join if town, 10

You’re right, I’m short by one, but I’m fairly sure I can get one of the neutral-to-town slots on whcih means actually, no, I do have the numbers

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So is this your scum meta, Mena? Interesting

~Morning

Ahh, morning, I’m sorry

If you wanted to have a shot at saving your slot this really, really wasn’t the way to go

[Menalque]

Titus it’s probably not worth it interacting with openwolfing scum

I mean, I’m aware of the hypocrisy

It’s just seeing you do it too is making me realise it’s not worth it

[Menalque]

From what I recall, you are the slot in need of saving. Am I wrong?

I’ll break what I just said to speak very briefly to you, morning — no, I’m not. I never have been. Your other half has spewed you scum earlier but I’ll let him catch you up on that

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Titus it’s probably not worth it interacting with openwolfing scum

I mean, I’m aware of the hypocrisy

It’s just seeing you do it too is making me realise it’s not worth it

Fair enough. I am not 100% on MM scum, but I am sure enough where I'd vote if others did. I was hoping I could see a glimpse of town BM but :/

I am. This is close to as certain as I’ve been. Do you remember that newbie a while back with ducky!scum where he decided to 1v1 me and I was legit asking him if he wanted to be caught because he was so incredibly blatantly acting in bad faith and lying about what had happened in the game/about cheeky’s meta? It’s the same exact thing. The incredibly obvious lying and bad faith. I don’t think MM cares about getting caught provided they can get my flip first/i think they’re trying to provide cover for a buddy(ies?) which was more or less the reason why ducky decided to go for the 1v1 in that other game even tho he knew that winning would spew him scum

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I would worry about engaging you on this FL, if I needed you for numbers to get MM flipped tomorrow

But I don’t, so I’m not gonna bother

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Oh yeh, mastina, if you see this before twilight ends — you’re at a high level of confidence that the mason millers are a real thing, yes?

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I would worry about engaging you on this FL, if I needed you for numbers to get MM flipped tomorrow

But I don’t, so I’m not gonna bother

Overconfidence on Day 1 twilight.

Rookie mistake.

Guess we’ll find out tomorrow

That would also maybe sting a little if it wasn’t for the shiny banner I have next to my name <3

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FL is more likely town considering BM scum, but it’s not a locked in thing, he could be trying to WIFOM by defending two buddies in a row and then arguing that he’s too competent as scum to do something with such terrible optics

We flip MM tomorrow so it doesn’t matter, after a scumflip there we can work through some more PoE, if the game is struggling by lylo then FL is prob scum and would be a good elim at lylo-1

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im like 50 pages behind at this point. ill try to catch up tomorrow, been real busy irl and have not had time to sit down and read this very long thread. im caught up to page 69. feel free to drop questions for me, ill answer asap.

Are you willing to speedguillo MM out of the gate tomorrow, why/why not?

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I would worry about engaging you on this FL, if I needed you for numbers to get MM flipped tomorrow

But I don’t, so I’m not gonna bother

Overconfidence on Day 1 twilight.

Rookie mistake.

Guess we’ll find out tomorrow

That would also maybe sting a little if it wasn’t for the shiny banner I have next to my name <3

blah blah scumposting blah

~Morning

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Titus it’s probably not worth it interacting with openwolfing scum

I mean, I’m aware of the hypocrisy

It’s just seeing you do it too is making me realise it’s not worth it

Fair enough. I am not 100% on MM scum, but I am sure enough where I'd vote if others did. I was hoping I could see a glimpse of town BM but :/

I am. This is close to as certain as I’ve been. Do you remember that newbie a while back with ducky!scum where he decided to 1v1 me and I was legit asking him if he wanted to be caught because he was so incredibly blatantly acting in bad faith and lying about what had happened in the game/about cheeky’s meta? It’s the same exact thing. The incredibly obvious lying and bad faith. I don’t think MM cares about getting caught provided they can get my flip first/i think they’re trying to provide cover for a buddy(ies?) which was more or less the reason why ducky decided to go for the 1v1 in that other game even tho he knew that winning would spew him scum

I am scum

Please ignore my posts

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otoh. Mena and to a lwesser extent suberbowl, trying to rush a Gamma lynch looks p bad to me.

I'm of the opposite mindset.

Without Menalque hard-pushing for Gamma's death, we might not have ousted Gamma D1.

And the way Menalque pushed Gamma is, 100%, not the way a scumbuddy would push their scumbuddy.

Suggesting otherwise is literally the most backwards-ass moonlogicky shit ever.

Menalque is HARD-cleared by Gamma's flip.

...that's not even close to what happened. Menalque was not a leading proponent of the Gamma wagon, and at one point was part of the counterwagon. He abandoned the counterwagon when it stalled to re-join the already big Gamma leadwagon.

Your revisionist history here to defend Menalque under false pretenses is scummy.

Assuming Menalque flips red too, Mastina next obviously please.

What do you think about this post taylor?

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I feel like Menalque’s ability to debate has gone down

My ability hasn’t, my willingness to waste my time on openwolves has

Especially when those openwolves aren’t gonna vote themselves

There is literally nothing of any value in anything MM has to say at this point. If it wasn’t considered harassment by the mods I would literally sit here and replace every post they continue to make in thread with “blah blah blah scumposting blah” until they fucked off but that’s not allowed, which objectively is prob a good thing for the health of the game but still

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That makes no sense FL, considering that mastina was probably the higher presence slot in the game until last night/maybe this evening

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Also given that my scumreading you or not was never a locked thing either way and I don’t think mastina could have predicted which way it would go

[Menalque]

He just made himself look so much worse.

Said FL, using this behaviour to try to defend MM

[Menalque]

That makes no sense FL, considering that mastina was probably the higher presence slot in the game until last night/maybe this evening

Why is this relevant?

Bc why would the higher presence slot warlock a lower presence one

[Menalque]

there weren't 6 masons.

Called it

[Menalque]

Thanks for modding schadd_, GGs all

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:O: @Mena's reads in the dead thread. Aside from MM, we did everything you said we should, and that's probably why it took us so long to win.

(Seriously though, this probably means the people you were SRing were playing sub-optimally, and it makes me feel better about nuking ddl)

Thanks A50!

Yeah, I was just so convinced that MM was scum for lying about how D1 and the gamma wagon went down I guess as BM was town he genuinely did think what he was saying? But it just seemed like a totally warped perception of reality to me at the time (and still sorta does)

I was also lowkey trying to front a PR there to fuck with scum

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I thought it was townsided, quelle surprise

I would have removed the masons and given scum 2 more members, and ditched the HPJS public cop thing in favour of a randomised IC on D2