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Post Post #1909 (isolation #200) » Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:35 am

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In post 1908, Noraa wrote:
In post 1907, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Man my bloodlust for Noraa's AtE is so hungy
good to know but I will squash your opinions right back if u start tunneling again.
You haven't been able to squash jack shit this game and you're still slated for death so it doesn't really matter.

Like, it's kind of adorable that you got given a small reprieve and now you're acting like you're all Bad or something

when not 48 hours ago you were crying and whining and bitching

So don't give me this tough act lmfao
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Post Post #1910 (isolation #201) » Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:35 am

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i'm vla for the rest of the day, can't deal with this nonsense
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Post Post #2523 (isolation #202) » Mon Oct 26, 2020 6:45 am

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In post 2479, Hopkirk wrote:My current POE pool of non deepwolves that probably has 3 scum:
Bell
Unowen
Flea
Lapsa
Toogeloo
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Why are we letting this reads list live
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Post Post #2524 (isolation #203) » Mon Oct 26, 2020 6:46 am

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Also I get sick for one weekend and this game becomes a hellhole of bad plays.

Good lord.
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Post Post #2549 (isolation #204) » Mon Oct 26, 2020 7:32 am

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Can we kill hopkirk please
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Post Post #2555 (isolation #205) » Mon Oct 26, 2020 7:35 am

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Hop"I drop my gimmick posting when I get a slight amount of pressure, proving it was for a purpose and not just a for fun gimmick"Kirk
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Post Post #2687 (isolation #206) » Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:59 pm

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In post 2686, MUSHSHAGANA wrote:Sorry, folks. This thread is a trainwreck.

I agree Toogaloo is town here, but I respect and admire the willingness to be the sacrifice to avoid town losing scroll picks. I also agree with it and think I'd rather put a nullish townie in scroll-possession than let scum pick strong town members -- probably not the leader figures, I think they're all wrong. Most likely an obvtown or a middle-list with a bad solve. (Example. As scum, I'd take Murdercat here even if 3/5 are right, for instance, because you can have your team shape the direction the next shots go and discredit the whole list with green flips. There's levels of WIFOM possible here, but first order misdirection is more effective than anything more intense usually.) Point being that I'm more willing to let Toogaloo go here than I would in many setups, this one's just super conducive to sacrificing townreads you trust for scumreads you don't. The wagon looks stalled by how hard town has fragmented, so let's give it a push. I really want town to control the scroll flow here, folks. VOTE: Toogaloo

I'm even more on the "Hopkirk is scum" side of things now. Zdenek's ISO looks about as town as blobby things spilling out of a meteorite. The intensity of Hopkirk on that point makes me think Zdenek could either be extremely anti-town townie or scum -- WIFOM involved there, after all. Hopkirk seems like the type to do arbitrarily deeply layered WIFOM, so I don't feel like I can guess which. Either way, Zdenek is definitely not playing a good town game. Hopkirk also has a lot of scummy gut feelings surrounding. I don't think it quite qualifies as a gut read here, but there's also the way jokes are used to apparently obfuscate meaning and intent to a similar end as the use of the gimmick posting earlier on. (Which, for the record, makes me think Hopkirk is telling the truth about the why of stopping, and doesn't like that people are scumreading them for that. Gimmick posting to start was the scummy thing, not the stopping of it.)

I wasn't entirely cognizant of the closeness of the deadline when I was preparing for my big push, so I'm going to save it till during the scroll passing phase of things. The point is to create a map of the connections in the gamestate, which will help anyone who has the scroll and knows how to read around the edges of a big push. Doing it beforehand risks derailing the necessary wagon. I can say I've decided on my target and my approach, and I'm /very glad/ I picked the target I did. The other one I was considering was Titus, so you can see how that would go at this point in time in this game. (Still townread Titus: as I stated before, I will push my townreads if I feel I'll get more info from everyone else that way.)
I think I love you, tbh.

But yes, okay.

Vote: Toog
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Post Post #3263 (isolation #207) » Tue Oct 27, 2020 8:54 am

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I'm still feeling a bit sick after work too, so.
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Post Post #3689 (isolation #208) » Wed Oct 28, 2020 1:58 pm

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Hopkirk is definitely still scum and probably where the scroll should go, but I'm not in a good place to argue or fight for it right now.

I'm extremely low energy so.
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Post Post #3692 (isolation #209) » Wed Oct 28, 2020 2:08 pm

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Noraa you actively have made this game a chore for me by being a miserable person.

I think you're still scum because people taking pity on your woe is me act and you popping around and the way this day has gone do not indicate you are town.

I'd love to see you shot if for no other reason than it helps me want to fucking play.

But unlike you, I actually shoot in order of how I suspect people, and Hopkirk is worse than you.

Now leave me the fuck alone, Noraa.
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Post Post #3698 (isolation #210) » Wed Oct 28, 2020 3:15 pm

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In post 3695, Vaxkiller wrote:Nora is a miserable person?

@LLD, can you give me a TLDR why hopkirk is scum?
Hopkirk entered the game with the poem gimmick and yes, gimmicks are not inherently scum aligned, but consider this game, right?

A lot of townies are NECESSITATED to die. Usually 2 townies for every 1 scum.

So where is the best place for scum to hide early?

Sheep someone who is loud and support their ideas
be pleasant and generally townie
but don't contribute too much and earn death.

Be "neutral".

Hopkirk inhabited this spot, so I put pressure on him.

Instantly, Hopkirk switched from that play to something more aggressive. Remember at this time I had full control of the town, so it was reasonable to assume that my push could very easily result in death.

His return was to provide an awful reads list and try and play aggro to escape the death.

I then fell ill, and he led deaths on Toog and you, two townies who were kind of very town.

So honestly?

Hopkirk was positionally and by play scum, and by reaction to my pressure scum. And is scum by virtue of wanting to kill townies.
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Post Post #3701 (isolation #211) » Wed Oct 28, 2020 3:33 pm

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In post 3700, Vaxkiller wrote:The thing that pisses me off about toog is like everyone acknowledged they were killing town.
I was sick and I came back and we had no time and a guy saying "kill me or nothing happens".

Like I didn't really have much choice, but yuuup
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Post Post #3938 (isolation #212) » Fri Oct 30, 2020 5:29 am

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In post 3936, Hopkirk wrote:Bell - hopkirk scum for pushing panda and Vax
Bell - no comments whatsoever on murder at pushing panda and vax
Vax, please shoot Hopkirk.

This "why me" deflection post is just more evidence for you.
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Post Post #4079 (isolation #213) » Fri Oct 30, 2020 12:37 pm

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In post 3973, Vaxkiller wrote:
In post 3960, Vaxkiller wrote:Hopkirk. I feel like I want to keep you around
...with me in the dead thread.

VOTE: Hopkirk

If hopkirk flips like I think he will, please look at shellyC.

If he does flip town, I'm sorry. Maybe still look at shellyC


I cant seem to sort taylor with all thier posts

pookie still not sure about

Unowen is town if Hopkirk flips scum

Unfortunately there is probably also a scum in one of the slots that is lurking... I hate offing lurkers, but, it may have to be done.



I think I was wrong about Bell being scum.
Nah nah nah nah

nah nah nah nah

hey hey hey

gooooooodbyeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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Post Post #4080 (isolation #214) » Fri Oct 30, 2020 12:39 pm

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In post 4074, Tayl0r Swift wrote:
In post 4071, Titus wrote:
In post 4067, Tayl0r Swift wrote:LLD was rude earlier so ill be passive-aggressive now. i can be a bit passive-aggressive and chirp her a bit but still cooperate and play as a team.
LLD is rude and has no complusion about manipulating biggest weakness as scum. Based on what little she's posted since I arrived, I don't see that.
shes been fine since you got here. it was before you got here that her aggression contributed to people replacing out.
I played aggressive and clean, and we have no idea why Isis replaced out, but if I had to guess it would be the game throwing nonsense toxic behaviour Noraa exuded.

I played a normal fucking game. You're the one who was endlessly rude.

But hey, the more frustrating people who die the better.
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Post Post #4081 (isolation #215) » Fri Oct 30, 2020 12:44 pm

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Also, guess who is back?

The bitch is back.

Cause now I got no moral qualms and no one can fuck with me.

I just had multiple players admit and agree to trolling me and insulting me the player instead of my play.

So now anything I do this game, no matter how much I rage, they're admitting to instigating it.

So

:)

I'm gonna have fun.
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Post Post #4082 (isolation #216) » Fri Oct 30, 2020 12:45 pm

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So please, say shit.

Give me a fucking reason to read you for filth.

Just give me a reason, cause I've been loathing and hating this game for a little while now and trying to be nice, but the in thread confirmation is all I need.
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Post Post #4084 (isolation #217) » Fri Oct 30, 2020 12:46 pm

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Cause you don't get to pretend anymore. You guys went fucking mask off.

You don't get to pretend to be anything but intentionally jerks to me. No snide comment "oh I didn't mean it like that".

You will get the full experience. And I will be morally fine. Cause you've admitted to instigating on purpose to upset me.
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Post Post #4087 (isolation #218) » Fri Oct 30, 2020 12:49 pm

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In post 4086, Titus wrote:Hopkirk's still a scumflip right? LLD?
P. sure, despite their claims.
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Post Post #4095 (isolation #219) » Fri Oct 30, 2020 1:06 pm

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In post 4094, Titus wrote:
In post 4093, MURDERCAT wrote:
In post 4090, Titus wrote:Popular opinions need vetting here. Regardless of Hopkirk's alignment, TT seems pretty obvious. We can't allow that again.
I mean, we literally could just go T>T>S the whole game and win no?
*does math*

You're right. I guess it's not as bad as I thought.
TITUS

I DID THE MATH EARLIER WHEN I

oh my goddddddddddddddddddd
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Post Post #4099 (isolation #220) » Fri Oct 30, 2020 1:11 pm

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In post 250, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
In post 246, MURDERCAT wrote:
In post 245, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:its a trolling semi-defense of Noraa
I think it was just a joke
It can be both, right?

Like you shouldn't read into its content more than it being a joke, but its INTENT right, at that time?

mixed with Taylor's defense of Noraa being all meta here, making it kind of unarguable. Plus them being like "just sort them later, just sort them later".

It could definitely be intended as a soft defense to make Noraa's thing look less suspect since more people meme'd about it right?

Here's the problem in a game like this with "sorting someone later" right?

you can't think of this like a 15-5. Because every scum death minus the last one, also equals a town death.

Which means if we kill 4 scum, we're down 4 people, plus a kill is 5 guaranteed deaths.

Which means best case scenario we need to knock 5 townies off our townie list and start from there. Only way this doesn't happen is if it's best case scenario of execute a scum, scum passes to a townie, townie kills a scum.

however since the scum know who each townie are likely to murder, they will generally pass to people who won't murder them.

So usually, we're getting 2 town deaths for a scum death.

So consider it a 10-5 nightless vanilla with extra walking corpses.

if we go down a 3 town death hole and end up 7-5, we're in a _bad_ state cause the ration doesn't like to change.

Like... 12-5, even if we get 4 scum in a row, assumign 2 town to 1 scum looks like...

10-4
8-3
6-2
4-1
3-1 (from the kill shot)

So that's like a... REASONABLE outcome for this game, right? If things play on average. that puts us in an okay position because the next scroll just needs to include the scum on it.

But imagine we get even ONE MORE MISS.

and it's suddenly 9-5
7-4
6-3
4-2
2-1
1-1 from shot

We're done. We would need a townie miracle recovery where we kill 2 scum in one cycle of curses to win.

That's why putting people "off until later" is bad. Because we need to find and kill scum to get evidence as best as possible and we can't afford to triple miss.

Which is why I'm suspicious of anyone who is halting wagon progress that is developing information.
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In post 324, Fidget wrote:I am curious what would qualify as a good wagon to Tayl0r rn. Or if there are no good wagons, then what is stopping Noraa from being the best one out of currently available options?

Also, a question to the people discussing the mech: Did you decide it was worthwhile enough to give the final scroll pass to the scummiest player? Or should we not bother?

I understand that, in a way, we block a night kill if the final bounce is to scum. But that will require us dictating to the second chosen player who to pick, which is unfortunate. We also might learn something from who scum passes the scroll to anyway. That is why I am not sure what our best option is.
There are the following outcomes

Vote to Kill Town-> Pass to Town->Pass to Town=0
Vote to kill Town->Pass to Town->Pass to Scum=1
Vote to kill Town->Pass to Scum->Pass to Town=1
Vote to kill Scum->Pass to Town->Pass to Town=1
Vote to kill Scum->Pass to Town->Pass to Scum=2

Those are all the outcomes. You need to think of it like this. Because scum will always pass to town, if we vote to kill a townie, we basically get 2 vig shots to make it up and avoid the 0 result. A result of 1 is a "fine result" and what we want to aim for. If we score 1 on all our rounds, we will win the game.

So essentially, if we get a townie, we should consider our two shots as independent because remember scum can lie about if they were scum when they get cursed.

So, in essence, the first pass from the person we vote to the next player we should always assume they are a townie. 4/5 times they are, and in the only time they are NOT, we're always in the "Score 1" world which is just fine by us.

So basically, we can work and do plans and stuff with the middle person as if they were a confirmed townie. The voted for person... less so. If they're scum, they'll pass to a townie and there's just no work we can do with them.

If they're a townie, they will just do as they want given we voted them out.

So in my mind, you just want to let the person we voted do what they want, and then let the middle person be treated as a confirmed townie, ask questions and work together to help them make a good informed choice but not control them.

And if we focus on it like that, we up our odds to hit the 2 score world, and lower our odds to hit the 0 score world.
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In post 327, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
In post 324, Fidget wrote:I am curious what would qualify as a good wagon to Tayl0r rn. Or if there are no good wagons, then what is stopping Noraa from being the best one out of currently available options?

Also, a question to the people discussing the mech: Did you decide it was worthwhile enough to give the final scroll pass to the scummiest player? Or should we not bother?

I understand that, in a way, we block a night kill if the final bounce is to scum. But that will require us dictating to the second chosen player who to pick, which is unfortunate. We also might learn something from who scum passes the scroll to anyway. That is why I am not sure what our best option is.
There are the following outcomes

Vote to Kill Town-> Pass to Town->Pass to Town=0
Vote to kill Town->Pass to Town->Pass to Scum=1
Vote to kill Town->Pass to Scum->Pass to Town=1
Vote to kill Scum->Pass to Town->Pass to Town=1
Vote to kill Scum->Pass to Town->Pass to Scum=2

Those are all the outcomes. You need to think of it like this. Because scum will always pass to town, if we vote to kill a townie, we basically get 2 vig shots to make it up and avoid the 0 result. A result of 1 is a "fine result" and what we want to aim for. If we score 1 on all our rounds, we will win the game.

So essentially, if we get a townie, we should consider our two shots as independent because remember scum can lie about if they were scum when they get cursed.

So, in essence, the first pass from the person we vote to the next player we should always assume they are a townie. 4/5 times they are, and in the only time they are NOT, we're always in the "Score 1" world which is just fine by us.

So basically, we can work and do plans and stuff with the middle person as if they were a confirmed townie. The voted for person... less so. If they're scum, they'll pass to a townie and there's just no work we can do with them.

If they're a townie, they will just do as they want given we voted them out.

So in my mind, you just want to let the person we voted do what they want, and then let the middle person be treated as a confirmed townie, ask questions and work together to help them make a good informed choice but not control them.

And if we focus on it like that, we up our odds to hit the 2 score world, and lower our odds to hit the 0 score world.
Everyone needs to read and agree to this. This is a breakthrough. In ALL RELEVANT WORLDS the 2nd cursed player who has their final choice is AN EFFECTIVE CONFIRMED TOWNIE.

Because if they're scum there's just no point. They can troll and fuck around but with no power roles, they're just wasting time.

So literally the 2nd person is always confirmed town and we should treat them as such and work with them to get the best outcomes.
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Post Post #4105 (isolation #221) » Fri Oct 30, 2020 1:23 pm

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In post 4102, Bell wrote:@LLD: it sounds like we get angry in the same way.
I don’t particularly like my anger though, it warps me into someone who is always justified.
I've spent years working on my anger.

Nothing I've done this game is remotely close to being angry.

But people have been really cruel this game.

So I'm going back to my old stance. I need to be spiky so people let me fucking be.
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Post Post #4106 (isolation #222) » Fri Oct 30, 2020 1:24 pm

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In post 4101, Titus wrote:That does make a fair amount of sense. I'm not my brother, so I won't check the exact math. I take it you're suspicious of anyone who derailed the Noraa wagon right?
I'm the one who killed it when I decided we could third scroll her, but Hopkirk's reaction to me pressuring them was scum and then Toog decided to suicide so.....

here we are
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Post Post #4533 (isolation #223) » Tue Nov 03, 2020 8:04 am

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Ughhh some V/LA for the election time sorry meant to ask
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Post Post #5020 (isolation #224) » Fri Nov 06, 2020 7:56 am

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Uhhhh
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Post Post #5057 (isolation #225) » Fri Nov 06, 2020 1:38 pm

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okay lemme try and remotivate for this game I guess
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Post Post #5062 (isolation #226) » Fri Nov 06, 2020 2:00 pm

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In post 5060, MURDERCAT wrote:LLD, Noraa said her reads are better than yours while you were vla
Yeah but Noraa and her bad opinions have reached my "zero care" level. and also driven me to zero care?

So
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Post Post #5130 (isolation #227) » Fri Nov 06, 2020 8:20 pm

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I'm okay to die second phase here.
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Post Post #5136 (isolation #228) » Fri Nov 06, 2020 8:39 pm

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In post 5131, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:hi love, you have 48 hours to solve the rest of the game thanks
I don't think I've been passed a scroll yet so?

I also mostly don't care, lol.
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Post Post #5142 (isolation #229) » Fri Nov 06, 2020 9:06 pm

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Is fred actual official dead? like did he officially pass the scroll to me or
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Post Post #5343 (isolation #230) » Sat Nov 07, 2020 7:01 pm

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I'm currently looking at shooting Theta Alpine.
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Post Post #5345 (isolation #231) » Sat Nov 07, 2020 7:03 pm

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HURT: Theta
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Post Post #5347 (isolation #232) » Sat Nov 07, 2020 7:07 pm

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Bell and Mush probably town for Fred being scum.

Adorable probably town, and Theta's vote park there looks very bad.

Titus town with fred scum makign that wagon larger as a safe park.

Taylor can't safely park there, so Taylor off wagon.

So that gives us fred theta taylor off wagon, probably 1 scum on fred wagon minimum if not two
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Post Post #5348 (isolation #233) » Sat Nov 07, 2020 7:10 pm

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Only 1 scum in Shelly and Fidget.

Kill them both in the same scroll cycle cause there probably is scum in that.

Last scum... UNOWEN Noraa or Flea.

so honestly, I think....

theta
Taylor
fred
shelly
....
UNOWEN.

That's my final thought at a solve, but Noraa Flea and Fidget are all in the "realm of concern".

Everything else is paranoia and if I'm very wrong about someone, it will replace a whole subgroup, obviously
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