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[Gamma Emerald]

Momrangal, and chkflip

Please show me where I pushed these slots. I’ll wait.

You had them in your alt partial team guess
Either you believe they can be scum or you threw people you think are town in there for no reason. Is your PoE really so narrow you had to do that?

No I didn’t. I was saying that it is entirely possible my view of the game is completely off, I suck, and those players that I TR in that list are actually Scum. I was heavily implying that I currently have TRs there.

What is your PoE rn?

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh and Norwegian’s suggestion that the wagon could have been pure but not really, and that the NK points to Titus? Could be really what Norwegian thinks is reasonable. I think it’s Scummy.

I’ll need to see more opinions on the matter but you may be right about the NKA thought

[Gamma Emerald]

Not only did you not raise these suspicions D1, but you hopped on the Nero wagon yourself:

I keep reading N_M posts as BC posts before realizing it's not.

That avatar is hypnotic.

I'm switching horses here, because this flip will confirm a lead I want to pursue later.

VOTE: Nero

Why didn't you back Nero and push my elim, along with Andres?

Oh yeah what was that so-called “lead” btw, Norfolk?

[Gamma Emerald]

And you didn’t claim Tracker as a “reaction test”, you claimed it the day before in a soft, and then weaponized it against Norfolk. No chance in hell you’re not dying today.

Yes cos I was planning to use the tracker soft if my check ever failed

Then what was the deal with the first claim?

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Norweegaboo

Let's do Norway today then and give me a chance to find another scum

fuck no
norway is town.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: BBMolla
Idk what the current reasons are here but to throw on more firewood, there was the boring tell during D1 that I still remember quite well, and Cheeky’s slot flipped scum.

[Gamma Emerald]

Tbh I kind of just want this day to end so I can do my night action

VOTE: Hayker

VOTE: Nero Cain

I think Nero is town but I want day to end so whatever

E-1

Eh, yeah, fuckin maybe?

I don't mean to fence sit but fuck if I have anything than a hip "That's NAI" sorry.

It's cool that he hints at a PR and we didn't wake up to his head rolling.

Yeah and he claimed and then retracted Miller early game
If we wanna continue to yeet shoddy claim jobs there’s round two.

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m open to that as well
I need to get my thoughts in order before I vote there though.

[Gamma Emerald]

Because I wanted to bring up something I wanted to make sure wasn’t forgotten

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay
How does NM compare to IKS in Guitarists?

S'pose it's similar, sure, the difference here being that I was vehemently wrong as the replacement who didn't like that wagon instead of being the guy that didn't have interest in the wagon's reason or purpose until an unbearablyyyyyfun player took up the slot.

Ask a more direct question next time, please, because that's a weighted and pointed question. Don't think I don't see you.

Is Gamma defending N_M?

Actually I was suspecting NM, I just was poking chkflip because NM’s play felt similar to IKS in that other game, and chk defended IKS

[Gamma Emerald]

What on earth is this absolute garbage tier shit posting.

vote:not_mafia

Absolute rubbish. This is considered allowed play?

VOTE: Not_Mafia

E-1

.

these two are also going to be scrutinized if NM flips scum

I am going to want Gamma to explain this in detail.

They looked like rushed bus votes

[Gamma Emerald]

I think DGB is full of shit to be totally honest.

what makes you say this? Does that mean DGb is scum iyo?

[Gamma Emerald]

His posts are towny for me. Aside from that, that probably fits my read and actions. I'll post my gathered info if you want, but this might be beneficial to scum.

You seemed to be claiming a mechanical result. That’s why I wanted clarification. If it’s entirely reads based, then no I’m not particularly interested in following though helping explain where you’re coming from could be helpful to others.

That's why I am asking some possible alignment from a role. I'll post my logs if you want. It might be too early, but it helps both teams I guess.

what does role spec have to do with your reads?

[Gamma Emerald]

I might be too focused on how Nero Cain developed, not too focused on giving credit about Cheeky.

@Norwegian, Luca however shades Cheeky but doesn’t vote there, and is happy with going through with Nero.

yeah I think I saw the same/similar things from luca

[Gamma Emerald]

Nero Cain (11): NorwegianboyEE, chkflip, quiet, Bypasser Catcher, Luca Blight, Momrangal, Norfolk Boy1, Binatog13, Nero Cain, BBMolla, Not_Mafia [E-0]
Hayker (5): Rannygazoo, Titus, Andresvmb, Gamma Emerald
Not_Mafia (2): MiniMegabyte, DrippingGoofball
Titus (1): PlusJOYED
MiniMegabyte (1): Vaxkiller
Not Voting (1): Hayker

I'm still waiting for the "pay dirt" from a Hayker flip, Titus?

And what did you mean earlier when you were talking about the night kills fucking with that?

Do you think -maybe- this alleged role cop might have something to do with that?

My VCA opinion (good shout quiet, I did kinda not do this didn't I): Gamma Emerald flipping red here would heavily implicate a bus. I heavily doubt DGB busses D1 and doesn't help hem up Nero instead. I also don't see but can understand the perception that molla alley-ooped N_M for the hammer.

GAMMA BABY TALK TO ME

Do you think I'm scum? If so, I would like to understand why because I feel like you're a little off-track if you're looking at my vote at EoD1 as a reason I'm scum. Otherwise, not sure what exactly you wanna talk about, I do think it kinda looks like BB set up that hammer, but it could also be coincidental. The thing is, that's not exactly why I'm homing in on BB, I personally feel like his claims, early posting, and the fact he called the cheeky wagon "boring" of all things are the greatest points against him.
On that last point, tbh I think I'm being pretty linear in how I'm applying the boring tell, because it's obviously not that it's 100% a scum thing. But it is a convenient way to avoid having to bus, because it's a simple reason people can't really challenge directly and avoids actually having to fake reasons to TR your buddy. Just because it's a "bad tell" doesn't mean it can't still catch scum.

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm not in the best mindspace for mafia but like, its basically associatives between norwee and NM/cheeky

except imo they don't come off like you're presenting them, and also norway is probtown for other reasons I feel

[Gamma Emerald]

Tickle my asshole while you're at it buddy damn.

UNVOTE: Gamma Emerald

Okay, well you've been more right then me (technically). What do you think of Titus claiming Hayker is the way to go instead?

I would be fine if Hayker is the lim today, since they're not doing much to help atp, but I'm concerned about whether Hayker is the best shot for a scum lim.

[Gamma Emerald]

Just because it's a "bad tell" doesn't mean it can't still catch scum.

that is exactly what that means

except it literally got scum limmed in a very recent game
don't talk shit about what you don't know

[Gamma Emerald]

Not_Mafia (6): Gamma Emerald, NorwegianboyEE, quiet, Nero Cain, Norfolk Boy1,

Rannygazoo [E-5]

PlusJOYED (5): Luca Blight, DrippingGoofball, Titus, Andresvmb,

Bypasser Catcher

Not_Mafia (5): Nero Cain, Norfolk Boy1, MiniMegabyte, Binatog13, DrippingGoofball [E-6]
Hayker (5):

Rannygazoo,

Andresvmb, BBMolla,

Bypasser Catcher,

Titus [E-6]
Nero Cain (4): NorwegianboyEE, Gamma Emerald, chkflip, quiet

Both NKs after Math have been on Hayker. Why pick off the very people reading the game wrong? They would have to know they are PRs. So either scum knew they were PRs or we had S v S wagons.

Are you saying Hayker is slaying his enemies at night?

I suppose that is an intriguing explanation for deaths so far.

I feel inclined to buy this argument.

[Gamma Emerald]

I have a feeling I know what binatog might be based on flips
this doesn't mean I'm gonna vouch for him just yet but if he does claim what I expect he's prob town.

[Gamma Emerald]

Wait. See I saw "Watcher" and thought, y'know, Watcher.

MathBlade

has been found dead. He was a

Town Role Watcher.

MathBlade - Town Role Watcher

You are a

Town Role Watcher

Each day you may talk in the game thread and vote on who to eliminate.

Each night you may attempt to visit a player to watch them. You will learn the roles (but not alignments) of all other players who visit them. At the end of the night you will be informed "TARGETNAME was visited by

ROLENAME(s)

", "TARGETNAME was visited by

no one

", or "You got

no result

from watching TARGETNAME".

You win when all threats to the town are dead and at least 1 member of the town is alive.

The game thread is here, please confirm your role and alignment via pm.

How is this different from what Bin is claiming to have?

it doesn't seem different at all
but, question for you, why is bina scum off that? I presume that's your argument here.

[Gamma Emerald]

Why is Momrangal Town? Please elaborate.

I can semi-confirm that Momrangal is town (for now). But there is also possibility that they are scum too, but high chance of being town, although I don't like their read on Norwegian as scum.

Spoiler: Nothing

Momrangal was visited by a Rolecop (Night 3). I know that Town Role Watcher died, this might make me suspicious after all. This reveals my role after all. For me, this is the right time to claim my role for potential early game solve.

Spoiler: Town!Norwegian

He is trying to solve the game. For me, his reads are accurate. Norwegian was visited by Lazy Roleblocker (Night 2).

I can also say that Gamma is town due to his current reads rn.

what was your N1 action?

[Gamma Emerald]

There were 2 voyeurs!?

I was thinking along the lines of a Universal Backup.

DGB I think you and I have... universal... thinking here, right?

Ahem.

I've been thinking this too
if that's the case then Binatog kinda has to be town, since UB only works on same-alignment roles

[Gamma Emerald]

I started re-reading the entire game, because I really wanted to focus on a lot of the stuff I felt I missed about how the Cheeky wagon came about.

plus is a bad execution here. And @Titus I think you’re Town, but you tying plus’ flip to mine is giving Scum cover.

I don’t have an exact feel here but I’m inclined to think you’re right off memory
Who do think is scum from rereading that?

[Gamma Emerald]

Well except Luca. That slot is still very much Scum.

Yeah that’s the read I expected you to follow up with after putting PJ as town

[Gamma Emerald]

This is my POE right now: {BBMolla, Vaxkiller, Titus, plusJOYED}.

I’ve only re-read like a third of the game. So maybe this changes. But here’s where I’m at.

Why are 2 people you just called town in your PoE?

[Gamma Emerald]

I was considering inviting to deal with my own concerns but you know what fuck you bb
If I’m wrong I’ll accept that but until then you’re not making me reconsider shit

[Gamma Emerald]

No. The angle of attack on their wagons is similar.

Wdym
Don’t think it passes me that you said that and then BBMolla jacked up the AtE

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma is asking me what were my first night action. The point is I did nothing first night, which is kinda suspicious.

I know what I need to. Thank you.

[Gamma Emerald]

pretty sure I don't bus apropos of nothing that early
assuming that's what you're insinuating

[Gamma Emerald]

I want to be able to contribute my own solve but the game's moving too fast for my attention span rn

[Gamma Emerald]

I think that was the reason yeah

[Gamma Emerald]

chocolate (n.)

c. 1600, from Mexican Spanish

chocolate

, from Nahuatl (Aztecan)

chocola-tl

,"chocolate," and/or

cacahua-tl

"chocolate, chocolate bean." With

a-tl

"water." In the first form, the first element might be related to

xocalia

"to make something bitter or sour" [Karttunen]. Made with cold water by the Aztecs, with hot water by the Conquistadors, and the European forms of the word might have been influenced by Mayan

chocol

"hot." Brought to Spain by 1520, from there it spread to the rest of Europe. Originally a drink made by dissolving chocolate in milk or water, it was very popular 17c.

To a Coffee-house, to drink jocolatte, very good [Pepys, diary, Nov. 24, 1664].

As a paste or cake made of ground, roasted, sweetened cacao seeds, 1640s. As "a piece of chocolate candy," 1880s. As a dark reddish-brown color from 1776. The adjective is from 1723 as "made of or flavored with chocolate;" 1771 as "having the color of chocolate."

Chocolate milk

is by 1845.

Chocolate-chip

is from 1940.

Official Votecount 4.7

PlusJOYED (6): Titus, Momrangal, chkflip, Andresvmb, BBMolla, DrippingGoofball

[E-2]

BBMolla (4): Gamma Emerald, Hayker, Luca Blight, NorwegianboyEE
chkflip (1): quiet

Not Voting (3): Vaxkiller, Binatog13, PlusJOYED

With 14 players alive, it takes 8 votes to achieve an elimination.

Day 4 will end in (expired on 2021-01-30 01:50:00).

adding binatog at the end, I don't feel like there's scum all over it

[Gamma Emerald]

I considered that myself

[Gamma Emerald]

Norwegian

Gamma

DGB, Hayker, Andres
Vax

Chkflip
BBMolla, Titus

That's kind of where I'm at right now in terms of the non conf players.

This checks out for me
Also I agree Titus looks real bad when a good number of NKs have been on scummier slots, that means there’s some reason they’re killing this way

[Gamma Emerald]

Btw I’d prefer to massclaim tomorrow rather than today.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: chkflip

[Gamma Emerald]

Btw quiet in the future I’d suggest counterclaiming Not_Mafia (or whoever else claims a role like yours) in a situation like this

[Gamma Emerald]

Eh the syntax in that’s pretty bad
When I say “like yours” I mean similar to the one you have in the specific game

[Gamma Emerald]

it might be vax, hrm

[Gamma Emerald]

yeah luca isn't someone I entirely trust but looking at where quiet seems to have posted what luca is referring to I can see the argument for you having a tracker guilty on you, less for the crumb suggestion and more because you're listed as scummier than chkflip

[Gamma Emerald]

also I'd only lim bbmolla rn if there wasn't any more direct leads
we've got a couple days before limlo I'm p sure

[Gamma Emerald]

vaxkiller can you describe any key differences between your play here and in pokemon battles? I feel like you're riding an interesting line where you don't seem like you were in little boonie but I can't tell for sure what I got from you in that other game so I'm not anywhere concrete for how your play here reads when compared to recent games
do you have an recent towngames I can look at?

[Gamma Emerald]

Quiet had Vax at null until suddenly wanting his elim at the end of the previous day. He hinted at a possible result, even using the word 'track' in association with him. There's definitely something in this, imo.

Vax, Titus, Luca?

All town Mom. Christ.

Why is Luca town? Ignore VCA for this.

[Gamma Emerald]

This VCA is starting to sound like bull.

I'm in agreement with this rn

[Gamma Emerald]

Titus can literally make up any voting pattern they like that suits their narrative and call it VCA, and suddenly it's an valid argument.
I'm not buying that crap anymore.

ayup
and it's literally the only logic she's using here, which allows her to not do real sorting

[Gamma Emerald]

vaxkiller can you describe any key differences between your play here and in REDACTED? I feel like you're riding an interesting line where you don't seem like you were in little boonie but I can't tell for sure what I got from you in that other game so I'm not anywhere concrete for how your play here reads when compared to recent games
do you have an recent towngames I can look at?

I cant really talk about REDACTED for obvious reasons....

But as far as comparing my play between games, im not great at self analyzing. I wish I were.

Latest town game that is completed, is College Basketball. It's the main reason I do NOT want to be in fade or lose situation in this game.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=85085

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=85375
game's finished m8

[Gamma Emerald]

okay I read 10 post's into vax's iso in that mini normal and it's pretty similar to here

[Gamma Emerald]

@Mom,

To have Andres as town beyond a doubt means you must believe that scum made no effort to save NM day one. That means bussers on NM.

why can't someone else be that scum for you

[Gamma Emerald]

another issue is that NM's wagon died because he claimed, not because someone else worked to move it

[Gamma Emerald]

seems like an important thing to factor in, no?

[Gamma Emerald]

You're the VCA master, you tell us

[Gamma Emerald]

you can't claim your VCA is solid and then pass the buck when asked to re-apply it with a different gamestate in mind

[Gamma Emerald]

would've rather you said nothing mom
norway is obvtown by play

[Gamma Emerald]

idc about any explanation
norway's play is just town and I shouldn't have to explain it, you should just accept it

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm intrigued to see where this goes

[Gamma Emerald]

it's cool

[Gamma Emerald]

You're the VCA master, you tell us

you can't claim your VCA is solid and then pass the buck when asked to re-apply it with a different gamestate in mind

Doing a VCA with alternative facts is not something I do when the court can call me in any second. I'll do a full blown VCA supposing the fiction Andres is town though tonight along with updating the correct one.

bruh wtf is this wording
could you be any more obvious that you're biased?

[Gamma Emerald]

also, what are your reads IGNORING VCA?

[Gamma Emerald]

it's not replicable if you don't give a road map tho
I've tried to use similar methods to you and feel like I ended up way off

I guess you can try your methods on the game I tried on and see what results you get, and if they match mine then I somehow lucked into your method?
is that a thing you're willing to try?

[Gamma Emerald]

If you have good reasons to TR luca I'd legit like to hear them because he's in my scumreads rn and has been since D1

[Gamma Emerald]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=84286 this is the game thread
I did the VCA during N4, the flips up through then were georgebailey, bingle, and fun & games as town, and lavar + flavor leaf as scum, with one scum left alive. For mech clears there was me, creativemod1, and dkkoba (unique setup mechanics indicated that we were town).

[Gamma Emerald]

That's... crazy detailed. Exactly why I use it (and I trust you to regardless of alignment give me a jumping point). But technically that post is IIoA. Heh.

Pedit: you're being very persnickety for someone who was counter offered.

I know whether Titus, Mom, quiet, and you are vanilla or not. In that order. My reads have followed that train if you'd like to go back and check. No crumbs, but before I knew there was whatever the fuck a Doctor Tracker is flip TOWN I'm very much in the camp that the Role Cop is scum.

I did say Mom was vanilla before she claimed it, though.

I said that at some point yesterday.

This POV checks out

[Gamma Emerald]

I thought scum!flip was going to claim my role, since it's already been outed, and I was hoping he'd get caught with the wrong night choices.

I'm the lazy roleblocker.

N1 GE
N2 Norwegian
N3 quiet
N4 Momrangal

Here’s the thing, I highly doubt the lazy RB is town given the setup we have going here. We already have a town role watcher and town tracker (plus other stuff but tracker is what I find most notable) with presumably a universal backup to support those roles, and now chkflip claims vanilla cop. With that density of PRs scum are probably gonna have something to counteract that. Town also already had a sort of blocking role in the rolestopper.

[Gamma Emerald]

GE believing chkflip!scum's vanilla claim (with alleged modifier unclaimed) over my very clear claim and clear choices are a scum claim by GE.

F the VCA.

Mate I’m not sure what’s going on but something doesn’t line up, and I think it’s you. I guess chkflip’s claim is pretty plausible as a fakeclaim for the mafia rolecop though. I just think you stick out worse.
UNVOTE:
I will do this until I fully make up my mind

[Gamma Emerald]

I thought scum!flip was going to claim my role, since it's already been outed, and I was hoping he'd get caught with the wrong night choices.

I'm the lazy roleblocker.

N1 GE
N2 Norwegian
N3 quiet
N4 Momrangal

So you blocked Quiet the night where weve been theorizing that Quiet had a Chkflip guilty?

Yeah that’s my biggest concern
Did DGB accept that as a possibility without much question?

[Gamma Emerald]

Also on the Titus-VCA front I feel like Norway fits more as a townbeard than as scum based on noticed behaviors.

[Gamma Emerald]

Also on the Titus-VCA front I feel like Norway fits more as a townbeard than as scum based on noticed behaviors.

You trusting Titus’ VCA is horrendous.

Until I can check behind her I’m gonna let things be mkay
We’re not limming within you two today anyway

[Gamma Emerald]

Also on the Titus-VCA front I feel like Norway fits more as a townbeard than as scum based on noticed behaviors.

What behaviors? He seems town to me.

Also, I need to talk to you.

Titus has brought up how wrong Norway has been, and by her logic that looks more like townbeard material than scum. I’m challenging her reads to see how she responds.
Also what do you need to “talk” about? I’ve been around so this ominous blustering is getting pretty nonsensical.

[Gamma Emerald]

@gamma You said my posts here reminded you of the pokeman game (yea i just realized it ended... i never got a msg it ended). Then I posted a recent town game game and you said my posts looked similar to here.

Im not great at reading myself, but my pokemon game was very weak. I can name a dozen pokemon or so, but I could not think up a fake claim for the life of me. This carried over into the game, I was always worried about being called out about pokeman lore. Eventually the game pointed to me and my scum team tried to help, but ultimately I was unsure, about what to claim. I failed because I couldn't post with certainty about anything.

How is that similar to hear, and how is that similar to college basketball?

I couldn’t tell if you were similar to the Pokémon game, I just felt like the vibes weren’t exactly in conflict. But looking at the college basketball game I saw the same early posting style, one I didn’t notice in the Pokémon game. So I think based on that you’re probably town here.

[Gamma Emerald]

Ok, I’ve just seen that.

Those are some weird choices to RB.

Why?

[Gamma Emerald]

You know, it is a possibility, and it would be great Scum play, that Gamma and Titus planned that angleshooty push on Cheeky towards the early part of the game. Like it might have always been the plan to execute the bus that way, and infiltrate the Town. But Gamma’s arguments have been

so good

against Cheeky. I just don’t understand how you can say “I think the Vanilla Cop is a good cover for the Role Cop” but then say that DGB looks worse. That makes no sense to me.

I’m honestly having trouble tracking my own logic. My vote was still on chkflip until I removed it by unvoting, so I’m clearly not all here. But I’m certainly trying to figure shit out here.

[Gamma Emerald]

We have a mechanical 1v1
I think that takes priority my dude

[Gamma Emerald]

I feel like your read of me here should be shaken up from pokemon

I felt a little bit of doubt myself but I’m having an idea forming in my mind of what scum have been doing and based on that idea you kinda have to be town.
I’m not ready to share what my idea is just yet, but I should be in a little bit.

[Gamma Emerald]

We have a mechanical 1v1
I think that takes priority my dude

Which is?

Eh I guess it’s not really a 1v1 to everyone, but as I see things there’s practically no way both DGB and chkflip are town.

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah it’s not a hard 1v1 but the town’s starting to look rather stacked even when up against a one shot strongman and rolecop

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah I’ve got gears turning on that front

[Gamma Emerald]

Also on the Titus-VCA front I feel like Norway fits more as a townbeard than as scum based on noticed behaviors.

I kinda had myself slotted as the townbeard, particularly if Hayker is town.

Does Titus-VCA not have the possibility of multiple townbeards?

[Gamma Emerald]

I don’t see how the game is really a follow the investigators situation actually. The rolestopper is odd-night only so there’s no chance for a protection circle. The investigatives also aren’t that powerful imo.

[Gamma Emerald]

The doctor that was also the most definitive investigative we have. Role watcher doesn’t do too much to directly catch scum imo.

[Gamma Emerald]

If chkflip is town, that would create a powerful circle too.

Again what does chkflip do to actually catch scum?
The original term is follow the COP because a COP gets concrete mafia/not-mafia results. Vanilla cop and role watcher are not the same. Tracker is that way only with one mafia left.

[Gamma Emerald]

Wtf do you mean unclaimed modifier

[Gamma Emerald]

Why should vanilla cop be CCed? Did you see quiet CCing NM ever? I think you’re woefully misjudging the power of the roles in this game. If I catch wind it’s willful there will be blood.

[Gamma Emerald]

Norway you have the skepticism of a chocolate eclair

[Gamma Emerald]

What is that supposed to mean?
Do you think Lazy roleblocker is legit a scum role?

That or chkflip’s claim, though why are you being so biased against DGB? Titus isn’t right about you, is she?

[Gamma Emerald]

The thing about DGB is that their role just seems town.
We know for a fact that it's an lazy roleblocker, because Binatog hard confirms it. So why would scum have a modifier that makes their roleblocker suck if town PR's start blasting them and RB is only player left? Why have negative utility for a scum role when town is so stacked with PR's?

It makes a lot more sense that lazy roleblocker exists to cause trouble for the scum team, but when scum only has 1 player left then the town roleblocker is deactivated to give scum an chance.

This is like setup balancing 101 guys, come on.

So why was your first suggestion that I thought DGB was the scum PR?

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: momrangle

Shit vote

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m kinda trying to pull off “American neutrality” here until I get certain questions answered

[Gamma Emerald]

so like, I'm gonna poke at people who hold stances I'm concerned about but I'm also trying to not be overt about what my own stances are.

[Gamma Emerald]

tbh I wouldn't be wholly against voting hayker

[Gamma Emerald]

Am I supposed to be moved here, Goofball?

Because one of us has a chain of night actions that actually makes sense for my role and alignment, whereas you... are a Goofball.

And here I've seen zero defense for Hayker because it's fucking indefensible. So can we stop pointing fingers at one another and eliminate scum?

You AND Luca need to specify why you think DGB’s night actions make no sense. I think you’re perspective slipping.

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay I tried to explain my point and I just realized I am grasping at straws
Fucking hell.

[Gamma Emerald]

This game is so demotivating when scum are clearly running the show here. At least if I get limmed, I can laugh from dead chat.

Salty

Yes. I can't get a lim in my pool, which means we're eliminating town today. So you bet I am salty.

Your pool sucks, frankly. It’s not actual scumreads, it’s an attempt to push miseliminations. The fact that you’ve not once wavered on your reads tells me they’re not legitimate. If you were town you’d have taken on of the many hints to re-evaluate your PoE. Instead you show some sort of thought process but it all leads to the same 3 names. I’ve asked multiple times for you to consider Norway town but you keep ignoring me. That’s because you can’t scrape up an alternative move to save your damn life. Your game’s over now.
VOTE: Titus

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma what's your pick for Titus's teammates?

Chkflip and either Luca or Hayker

[Gamma Emerald]

Y'all refusing to actually engage me in your wrong read is laughable at this point.

Because i had pocketed almost the entire town and then you had to ruin it when you replaced in and drowned me in VCA.

Wait, haven't you said Titus' VCA was bullshit all game?

So in that game you saw it work, in this game specifically it missed once but was very likely correct on Hayker, but you're dismissing it anyway?

Look, I'm willing to swallow my own shit at this point. Titus could be scum. But I still wager that if she is that she was looking to bus Hayker. Just give it some thought. We'll revisit it tomorrow.

Titus isn’t fucking pushing Hayker. She’s pushing Norway/DGB/Andres. Norway is obvtown and Andres looks town from how he interacted with Norway before. And there’s no good explanation I can find find for why those two would act like they did around Day 2 or whatever as buddies. So Titus is definitely wrong on at least one and probably wrong on two imo.

[Gamma Emerald]

Titus isn’t fucking pushing Hayker.

Titus isn't fucking pushing Hayker *today*. She did yesterday. I am today. I'm looking back at THAT VCA and believe in its legitimacy. I agree that Nor and Andres aren't independently scummy. I agree that they don't have strong associatives with flipped scum.

But Hayker does. It's too late now but we will be discussing this again tomorrow.

Okay, so why did Titus abandon the push?

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh man I was just a fucking dickhead again, I better look good on this high horse cause I know I've got smoke coming that I damn well deserve but will ignore.

At least its in character for you.

No, eat shit, those questions were loaded as fuck.

[Gamma Emerald]

No, eat shit, those questions were loaded as fuck.

I've passed the term of being friendly with him.

He's being extremely insulting to several slots. Read my ISO, guy. I've been cordial for the nth time. Stop being insulting.

We are playing a game after all, no?

There's no reason to name call. So I got a little personal.

You may not agree with my method but my intention is clear. This isn't about alignment. This isn't even about the game.

Don't be an asshole; therein, I won't be a bigger asshole.

And that'll be the last I even speak of it.

Why are you avoiding Hayker now again?

I'd love to know while I eat my shit over here.

I’m sorry but you’re not exactly the easiest person to be patient with, and like, asking his winrates and ESPECIALLY his age is an attempted ad-hom attack that’s straight-up uncalled for.
As for the Hayker situation, I see no reason why I need to bend to your will when Titus is E-1. Yeah Hayker is possible scum but idc to split attention here. Plus, I’m not certain about what I think about Hayker and coming to a conclusion there will take some time.

[Gamma Emerald]

I can also do the Hayker tomorrow thing

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma, you give me vibes from that one game I played with you DGB and unwn (the one with unwnd and me being in a neighborhood). What did you turn out to be that game?

Scum
But dw about it

[Gamma Emerald]

Why do you feel like I’m similar to that game btw

[Gamma Emerald]

We're still going to ignore Titus's VCA then?

And who did it

I am also curious as to who did it
a vig equals one more clear

[Gamma Emerald]

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: vaxkiller

[Gamma Emerald]

nah fam
norway is town

[Gamma Emerald]

it pretty much a meta defense but like in most cases from norway I've seen, he's active as town and inactive as scum
so it's a pretty solid meta imo

[Gamma Emerald]

possibly, but I feel like he also hasn't really been acting scummy, or at least not in a way that suggests scum motivation

[Gamma Emerald]

btw I'm probably gonna evaluate hayker more seriously now

[Gamma Emerald]

possibly?
I don't think enough people wanted hayker for that to be a serious possibility, so it could have been distancing
but I really wanna evaluate hayker's play relative to his finished scum game because he had a very obvious way of interacting with certain slots and as such I could probably reverse engineer that to tell if he's scum here

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma are you deep wolfing again?

I'll let you find your own answer to that

[Gamma Emerald]

the issue I have is I see no reason a serial killer would holster so many nights, meanwhile a vigilante would have decent reason to
but the vigilante I presume we have is still not claiming
and once that vigilante does claim we're in a mechwin situation

so really whoever that is just needs to step the fuck up ASAP

[Gamma Emerald]

So there you go. Hayker could *easily* be Scum. And chkflip was trying to hard distance from Hayker yesterday given the plan to shoot DGB. Because once DGB flips Town, frankly chkflip becomes almost obvious Scum. So there was some planning going on there, and I’m not so sure it can be trusted.

Given what happened with NM I think the evidence pointing to Hayker holds quite a bit of weight

[Gamma Emerald]

I guess there’s a SK then, as neither of those kills make sense coming from a vig.

Disappointing as I thought 3rd parties weren’t allowed in normals anymore.

Yeah no town vig would make either of those kills. And SKs were restricted in Mini/Micro Normals, not all normals.
And I also think that Hayker and BBMolla are both suspicious but atp we probably have to eliminate scum this day phase to prevent a kingmaker situation.

[Gamma Emerald]

my read quality was so-so, but at least we won

[Gamma Emerald]

also I feel like I played really well with my role this game
I knew from experience being IC wasn't a good charisma booster so I just viewed it as a panic button in case I got wagoned, and later as a tool to squeeze scum with mechanical PoE

[Gamma Emerald]

some of my early suspicions were decent (cheeky, vax, hayker though that was not in the exact same timeframe as the other two) and though I hard derped on the matter initially, chkflip became obvious mafia in the hi v. DGB situation.

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma notes is still hidden?

I posted to release it
it's mostly just read lists anyway