Large Normal 232—Sibyl's Elegy [GAME OVER]

[Rathe]

but its over i believe u

[Rathe]

y cant kitty just be 1 shot town cop who used his shot on DGB cuz its what town wanted

[Rathe]

stop overthinking vasex we dont need to be figuring out kitty

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andresvmb n windowsxp if nero was town in ur mind who would be going after

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i dont think nero or windows defends their mafia partner the way they did

[Rathe]

so votes on them r not smart or just opportunistic

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nero n xp what do u think about dunnstral

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cabd do u think save the dragons n dunnstral could be partners

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dunnstral as mafia has no problem voting his partner on day 1

[Rathe]

bloodhail 3426 is good from u but then 3437 makes u look bad again

[Rathe]

but i will say 3426 is rly good

[Rathe]

628 is what actually pushed me to think save the dragons was probably town

[Rathe]

but i still dont like the interaction with u n dunnstral

[Rathe]

also T3 was quick to call them both town

Dunn vs STD giving me tvt vibes.

[Rathe]

I would not mind dying today if it means i can be rid of the bad takes

ur not dying today if i can help it

[Rathe]

i think nero is probably town but i think u r too

[Rathe]

thats y im asking who u would vote for if not nero

[Rathe]

Rathe, look at all connections between dunn and std in their isos. Dunn srs STD the whole game, but Std is just trying to avoid it and ignore it. If u read it deeply, u can find mafia between them.

they both voted each other on day 1 for weird reasons

[Rathe]

it is very similar to micro 1000 where dunnstral n his partner voted for each other pretty much all of day 1

[Rathe]

rathe I don't understand why you'd vote Dunn if t3 said dunn vs. std was tvt. you think that he was lying and its SvT or...?

thats y im asking others cuz maybe it is svt or it is tvt but im just not seeing it right

[Rathe]

rathe I don't understand why you'd vote Dunn if t3 said dunn vs. std was tvt. you think that he was lying and its SvT or...?

also i thought dunnstral was mafia before T3 said anything about them

[Rathe]

i think save the dragons n dunnstral should probably be the competing wagons today

[Rathe]

those r the only ones other than almost50 n cabd i dont strongly townread

[Rathe]

those r the only ones other than almost50 n cabd i dont strongly townread

that sounds weird i mean andresvmb nero windows n vasex r who i think r town n wont vote there

[Rathe]

save the dragons dunnstral almost50 n bloodhail r ones i can vote for

[Rathe]

i think nero is probably town but i think u r too

You need to wake up.

u think xp is mafia as well u r doing the same thing xp did with vasex n enchant

[Rathe]

take the vote off u n look at the overall play

[Rathe]

No I don’t. Fucking read before you make yourself look silly.

i was asking u not telling u

[Rathe]

You didn’t phrase it like a question. But it’s also something I had expressed a view on.

sorry i meant to start the question with do

[Rathe]

u think xp is mafia as well u r doing the same thing xp did with vasex n enchant

do u think xp is mafia as well u r doing the same thing xp did with vasex n enchant

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have u got to reading the micro game again xp

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id rly like to know what u think of dunnstral u pegged him day 1 that game

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It would be nice to know why Dunnstral is scum.

read dunnstral n save the dragon n tell me if it feels genuine or fake

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nothing great thats y i wanna know what people who normally play with him think

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Almost50 played with him n thinks he is mafia

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i dont know if samantha thinks he mafia or not maybe i missed it

[Rathe]

there were some posts that made me think save the dragons was probably town

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but there were others that seemed like mafia n that interaction with dunnstral doesnt look great to me

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The main reason I TR XP as I was re-reading was 769. I have a real hard time seeing that kind of post coming from Scum.

i agree that xp is town but not cuz of that that can easily be posted by mafia

[Rathe]

again i would like to ask y r scumreading nero for defending t3 n not scumreading xp for it

[Rathe]

i asked the same thing to xp about enchant n vasex

[Rathe]

it doesnt make sense for u to think nero is mafia but not xp

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outside of the T3 defense is there anything else that nero looks scummy for

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again i would like to ask y r scumreading nero for defending t3 n not scumreading xp for it

this is 1 dimensional.

its not rly the same parameters of defending T3 r there

[Rathe]

u actually look worse than T3 if someone who isnt thinking or is bias looks at it but the specifics r the same

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we have already discussed it but i dont think andres case on nero/T3 holds up

[Rathe]

again i would like to ask y r scumreading nero for defending t3 n not scumreading xp for it

this is 1 dimensional.

also im not saying he should scumread u im saying its not consistent to not do so if it is for nero

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im like not in the mood to explain why its different how nero approached t3 and how I did but u do u here.

there is a difference but it makes u look worse

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n u wanted everyone to not scumread u for defending T3 but want everyone to scumread nero for doing it

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how can u rly think this is ok

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u actually r in the mood cuz u responded with 4084

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could i interest anyone in a dunnstral wagon

[Rathe]

Believing that Nero/XP/Me is TvTvT is absurd.

its not that hard to fathom

[Rathe]

i have reasons to townread all of u yes

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i townread nero day 1 n nothing has changed in fact its even more on day 2 but im probably in the minority

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not even talking about the T3 defense overall hes been trying to solve the game to me

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i already said y i townread xp

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i townread u cuz u seem like u r the same as in the other game we played

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all 3 of u have been trying to solve the game

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u all scumread each other though so in my mind im trying to get u off of each other

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not even talking about the T3 defense overall hes been trying to solve the game to me

This isn’t good enough. So you think their reasoning for their SR of my slot holds up?

y do i have to agree with that u arent the only player he has talked about

[Rathe]

it is a big picture solving the game means u have good and bad reads

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when we believe something to be true we push it whether it is wrong or not

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but when u r not trying to solve the game or ur logic is weird or u act dumb it is suspicious

[Rathe]

I will probably have to ISO some of those slots I have in the Slight Town Lean down, but I’m exhausted now and I want to focus on some of the other games I’m playing.

no problem take care

[Rathe]

Sigh. It isn’t just a bad read. It’s a bad one with Scummy logic. Nero argued I “lied”. They didn’t analyze the wagons up until then and the movement and concluded that I was “exaggerating” or something like that (which I clearly wasn’t). They said that I was inflating my role in T3’s execution and that I lied. How is this acceptable to you?

well i asked u in 3274 y u didnt vote for T3 i dont think u answered or saw it

[Rathe]

y is it a scummy thing to ask u this question or assume u might be mafia

[Rathe]

from a town point of view

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i wanted to ask instead of assume n yes i do believe u would have voted for T3

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to me it seemed like he was ur #1 mafia even over nero n vasex

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u were the one the got me back on T3 cuz u r right i was gonna wait for him n kitty to prove themselves

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i was okay for letting kitty prove himself but i didnt believe T3 at all

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so u coming back in i thought was good cuz i rly wanted to solve him day 1

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y?

y not

[Rathe]

k i knew dunnstral was most likely mafia i wish we had went for him instead of save the dragons

[Rathe]

im happy kerset was solved cuz i was thinking they could be mafia

[Rathe]

This makes sense. But we need to find out if the vig's shot was successful on Night 1 or not (if the shot was available).

maybe there is actually is a bulletproof or ascetic mafia cuz of vigilante

[Rathe]

We need to execute {NDMath, Nero Cain, Anastasia} this game.

i think u should try to look elsewhere none of these r good options

[Rathe]

actually maybe anastasia, but the other two no

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my list of execution is in Cabd bloodhail WindowsXP n Anastasia everyone else is town for me

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4422 is what im thinking DrippingGoofball also the inconsistencies around kitty T3 enchant vasex n nero

VOTE: windowsxp

[Rathe]

my discussion with windows during day 2 felt strange

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i was trying rly hard to keep xp in my townreads but it just was not making sense i dont think town acts this way

[Rathe]

and maybe wihdows xp knew that std is town, thats why he was avoiding his elimination, though he said he would vote there

true

[Rathe]

Rathe's 878 was really weird and seemed to be suggesting Vasex thought Kitty was a Mafia cop, which was a really random/weird conclusion to arrive at. IGMEOY Rathe

i know this is old but can u explain what u meant by random n weird

[Rathe]

at this point I fully support a mass claim actually

i second this it could rly clinch it

[Rathe]

the neighbors claim being as part of that massclaim

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fine fuck it. scum already knows im town. I was dunns neighbor.

popcorn to rathe

i am odd night gunsmith i checked nero night 1 and he didnt have a gun

[Rathe]

the only way he is mafia is if he is mafia traitor which he is not or mafia doctor

[Rathe]

while its possible mafia had protective due to vigilante nero has not played like mafia

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popcorn to andresvmb

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j/w why you decided to check me

i think maybe 3 or 4 players said u were mafia late on day 1

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i rly did it so day 2 people wouldnt go after u n we could go for dunnstral

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although I think its just CABD and Mark

u think marky marks claim of miller is fake

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i thought about checking marky mark since if he had a gun id know he was lying about miller but i figured it would be a wasted early check

[Rathe]

marky mark or anastasia was gonna be my night 3 check tonight

[Rathe]

what do you think about his play?

his play has not been bad overall but if windows xp is mafia then his play around them has not been good to me

[Rathe]

what do u think of samanthas claim

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Rathe, did you get my fruit?

i had to recheck my messages but no i did not

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Also I softed my role day prior in kind of a stupid way. I said I was “going to the market in the morning”. It’s an identical soft to what I used in a different game as Fruit Vendor. I’m going to have to come up with something more creative next time.

i crumbed my role on day 1 within my first several posts i had never done it before n maybe it didnt even work

[Rathe]

i just got a new job working at holland n holland

a gun store

most of my time will be busy

have to read a lot more

i will still try to find mafia though

there r more customers than im used to though

this is a large game

but i think i can manage

hopefully i dont get fired

hope i dont get killed too soon

[Rathe]

However, now we have a problem. A 1-Shot Cop, a Simple Fruit Vendor, an Odd-Night Gunsmith, and a

3-Shot Vigilante

?

i dont think nero is mafia doctor but it doesnt mean mafia dont have a protective right

[Rathe]

It seems a bit overpowered but maybe not. Against a Team of 4 Scum and a Traitor Neighbor, with a Mafia Cop?

maybe there hasnt been evidence of mafia power like roleblocking or something else its been pretty basic

[Rathe]

as far as vasex n ndmath i have read their isos many times n i would be surprised if they r mafia

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as i said in my iso ndmath has not said a lot in this game but it has had substance

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i dont penalize them for jumping on save the dragons or anything else i have seen from them

[Rathe]

You’ve read Vasex’ ISO multiple times? I feel sorry for you.

yes n thank u

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i think vasex has been wrong in most of his reads but i do see a town mindset behind how he has played

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i agree that the long post was too much but he had good points in there

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So what, {Cabd, Anastasia, XP}? Or something? Maybe bloodhail?

i think so unless one of the townreads r rly outplaying everyone

[Rathe]

maybe marky mark if he lied about miller

[Rathe]

what about enchant


i townread him off the T3 stuff but just looked at him and noticed hes been doing fuckall

i doubt it nice try though

[Rathe]

I'm not sure we are playing the same game here. Did you not see Vasex's defence of T3 and hardpush of Kitty D1 and some of the stuff he came up with like how he voted Cabd to stop people voting Cabd?

i think using the defense of T3 as a case now is pointless

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n u rly dont see any of that coming from just a enthusiastic town seems too easy to me

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There's just been a fair bit of abrasiveness in this game and we seem to be looking past the obvious clues ie ppl defending a maf PR D1

town defend mafia sometimes without knowing y is that ur thought as well

[Rathe]

town defend mafia sometimes without knowing y is that ur thought as well

sorry y is that not ur thought as well

[Rathe]

vasex pushed multiple slots on day 1 n then backed off

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he also pushed slots that he had as town u have to take the whole picture not just one thing

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At the most basic level scum are more likely to defend scum and push town then town are, so that's the logical foundation to build on when scumhunting.

i dont know the math but id say its kinda equal town r the majority so at random a town will be pushed by either faction

[Rathe]

the difference is mafia know n town doesnt

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i mean like there is an obvious path which is nero being scum neighbor with traitor and they knew from the start - but i townlean nero's dayplay atm.

nero didnt have a gun so unless there r 2 traitors or he is mafia doctor he is cleared town

[Rathe]

u should let samantha hammer

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i think she would want that

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i just played a newbie game with T3 n he had his partner as his main scumread early n then leantown late

[Rathe]

great game mafia very surprising learned a lesson here

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sorry to andres u said not to care about mechanics n go on play i didnt listen

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sorry to xp for not sticking to my townread on u

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i guess u can say we played bad but i dont think we were thinking the setup could be the way it was

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i think we should rly give credit to the scumteam instead of bashing us

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sure that is true but i think more than the setup the scum just played very well