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In post 1998, Frogsterking wrote:Yes that's insane tinfoil IMO and a little scummy.

In post 2001, Datisi wrote:

In post 1998, Frogsterking wrote:Yes that's insane tinfoil IMO and a little scummy.

what's scummy about wondering who was the nightkill and who was the vigshot based on the fact that there has been a vig-related role claimed, and based on the fact that a scummy person got killed lols

In post 2002, House wrote:Trying to muddy the water on the nk is scummy. It's obvious who scum shot.

In post 914, Reformed Toxic Player wrote:

In post 902, Aristeia wrote:I think you're town.

I think OWER's iso regarding you/lapla is not great

nobody is even suspecting you.

OWER IS TOWN

YOURE TOWN

SIITTER IS TOWN

HOUSE IS TOWN

DATISI IS TOWN

just fuckin trust me for d1

This is one of my d1s where I'm fucking up scum just let me do my thing

In post 1980, skitter30 wrote:

In post 1977, skitter30 wrote:Just gonna continue repeating this in the hopes this gets through tomorrow, even tho it prob wont:

- math is scummy
- make vp verify claim
- scum on wagon
- frog is town
- ari prob town

In post 1977, skitter30 wrote:Just gonna continue repeating this in the hopes this gets through tomorrow, even tho it prob wont:

- math is scummy
- make vp verify claim
- scum on wagon
- frog is town
- ari prob town

In post 1966, skitter30 wrote:Again if this goes thru plz look at math tomorrow ^^^

In post 1879, skitter30 wrote:Also these last like 4 votes are sus as anything

Again look at math
Make vp claim his mechanical stuff
Iv is sus

Idk that's what i have

Dont vote frog

In post 1871, skitter30 wrote:

In post 0, catboi wrote:PLAYER LIST
Andresvmb
VP Baltar
Datisi
skitter30
OutWorldER
Reformed Toxic Player
Something_Smart
Aristeia
innocentvillager
Laplacian
Frogst erking
House
Almost50ndresvmbVP BaltarDatisiskitter30OutWorldERReformed Toxic PlayerSomething_SmartAristeiainnocentvillagerLaplacianFrogsterkingHouseAlmost50

I tr andres dats outworlder ari frog house

Scum is in the rest

In post 1754, OutWorldER wrote:

In post 1684, VP Baltar wrote:

In post 1677, OutWorldER wrote:Yeah, I'd agree that the other scum were likely off wagon.

Can you walk me through your reason for believing this?

RTP is already flipped, assuming you are town and you are being truthful about your info on A50's slot, then A50/Math is town. House is all but conftown because of the mason claim. Frogster had been pushing Laplacian basically since they arrived to the game and was one of the kickstarters of it along with RTP.

The only viable candidates for a bus are Datisi, Andres, and Ari. Datisi's push before Lap in 194 and 211 do not read as distancing to me and the same goes for his pushes later in the day, nor does Datisi have a reason to kill RTP. The same goes for Ari and Andres, I don't think either of those slots kill RTP N1.

In post 1613, OutWorldER wrote:I mean, yeah, S_S has been apathetic, to the point that he has not made a single vote this entire game and consistently dances around major events/wagons. He's active lurking through and through.

I absolutely want to kill S_S at some point but I think Skitter is better today.

In post 1611, OutWorldER wrote:Skitter and VP are the only ones I realistically could see killing RTP, and I already explained why I think VP is town/no reason to lim him today, so Skitter is the only option here I think.

VOTE: Skitter

In post 1606, OutWorldER wrote:right, D2 started at a bad time for me, trying to catch up while tired, my thoughts will probably be really scattered.

I think VPB's posting today is bad but in the "town who is overly paranoid" kinda bad and his claimed info on A50/Math means there's no reason to lim him today regardless.
I fundamentally disagree with I_V being given a townpass for the mason claim, I think House is all but conftown but I've been in a situation before where town fakeclaims and accidentally clears a scum (in the same game I was with Frogster) and really would not enjoy a repeat of that.

In post 1770, VP Baltar wrote:

In post 1761, OutWorldER wrote:Scum would not need to kill RTP to push through a lim on you, especially since RTP seemed completely set on You/Skitter. That was my point, that if Skitter was town then scum would have no reason to kill RTP, since RTP would most likely drive through Skitter's mislim themselves.

I think regardless of anything, Skitter needs to get flipped today.

Man, listen to me: first, RTP is not someone I'd be afraid to go against if I was scum. They are a good player, but it is not that difficult to spin them up. Look how tilted they were getting yesterday at me asking very basic questions. I was not even trying to provoke them, which i would do as scum. Second, when I'm town, I'm never going to eat a misyeet. I will always fight tooth and claw because that's my win condition. I don't think this is a secret about me. Scum leaving RTP alive to fight me is a major gamble as scum because there is simply a nonzero chance that fight ends in people realizing I'm playing in my town meta. That's compared to RTP is dead and a gang of people start the day today saying "lol brain off, we do what RTP would have wanted! Vote: vp". Hell, some people continued to poke around it even after I softed I had clearing info on Math.

Third, as I stated before, there are all kinds of players in this game with histories with koba, and any number of reasons to want them out. They play a wildcard game, and that is never good if you are scum. Period.

Fourth, if the scum IS Datisi or Ari, who do you NK other than RTP? The masons are probably something you avoid because they are protection/watcher bait. You dont touch the people who are barely playing, and me/A50 were yeet bait to start the day. RTP is a logical kill spot to get out a decent player who could sideline your narrative and get super stubborn at any point.

In post 1757, VP Baltar wrote:

In post 1754, OutWorldER wrote:Datisi's push before Lap in 194 and 211 do not read as distancing to me and the same goes for his pushes later in the day

Be more specific. What about datisi's push indicates he is town?

As far as the "X would never kill RTP" argument, I find that completely silly. There are many reasons to kill RTP, including trying to smear me. It's very first order thinking to say scum only kill people who are actively pushing them. Is that a consideration? Sure! Is it the only reason to make a NK? Absolutely not.

The only other person besides me in RTP's solve, if you believe that logic, is IV. And even if you believe he is scum, who is the other scum? Clearly one of the scum did not have this direct motivation to kill RTP, so my point is proven true.

In post 1665, VP Baltar wrote:

In post 1664, MathBlade wrote:I think the most likely is one and one. Both would be a bit heavy handed and from what I have read didn’t seem like that.

This is my guess as well.

I don't have that much of a strong instinct for which of the folks on was it. I went into the night hoping it was A50 and this was easy, but that's just not the case.

I find it fairly unlikely neither remaining scum would want to be on the lap wagon when he was so underwater. That would seem like a POE risk to me if I was scum.

In post 1496, VP Baltar wrote:

In post 1487, Datisi wrote:god this is stupid

if my scum plan is to flip a50, then once he flips green, turn that into a scumcase for vp and skitt, why the fuck do i say that plan outloud day 2 instead of pretending to reread the game "in light of green!a50" day 3 and come to that conclusion then

this just opens the door for me being accused of chaining, which is something i'm well aware as scum and wouldn't do it

even if i didn't get accused of it today, someone would've made the callback tomorrow once i started pushing vp and/or skitt

and i love how all of this completely ignores the preflip i did on a50 flipping red, yep sure definitely single minded here totally just put my scumplan out there and now i'm going shocked pikachu face for being pushed for things i know towns find scummy and that would actually be LESS EFFORT for scum me to NOT POST

BRILLIANT

Just going to say that "I would never do...." is not a convincing argument to me.

You can post it if you want, but that line of thought is mostly a waste for me. I don't think it's unreasonable for scum to speculate they could get a50/me flipped in either order with few questions from a town that is highly suggestable.

In post 1506, VP Baltar wrote:

In post 1491, Datisi wrote:WHO am i trying to keep happy here??

Ari and andres obv if they are town are part of the coalition I'd be trying to form if I was in your shoes. It is potentially a pocketing play to say "welp, nothing to see here, let's yeet this potential busser a50, and if that is wrong, the wagon of a weak ass scum is pure and we should turn to VP".

That's a pretty obvious strategy in a scum!datisi world.

In post 1519, VP Baltar wrote:

In post 1509, Datisi wrote:the dude that is barely even playing, and someone whose only purpose in the game seems to be sheeping me ALREADY, both people that have next to none influence on the thread as a whole

You and I both know this is not true, especially in the long term. Both ari and andres are good players who DO influence the game, especially in later days.

@Math - I do see you think this fight is TvT, and you may be right, but I do think it is important to have. Giving Datisi a free pass is danger zone. His point of view needs to be thoroughly stress tested.

In post 1575, VP Baltar wrote:

In post 1556, Something_Smart wrote:I feel like there was someone on the scumteam who was highly in tune with the game and was basically telling Lap "you're dead, stop posting".

And this person was????

In post 1604, VP Baltar wrote:

In post 1603, Datisi wrote:s_s, have you done a single ai thing this game?

^real talk

In post 1490, VP Baltar wrote:

In post 1453, Datisi wrote:

In post 1452, House wrote:

In post 1451, Aristeia wrote:I don't think VPB claimed PR if that's what you think he did

No, but he softed the shit out of it.

i really REALLY don't think baltar of either alignment goes from "kill a50" to "a50 is conftown" without some sort of mech info, and i don't think this is exactly rocket surgery for scum to figure out either, which is why i'm fine talking about it with this level of openness

Sure, let's be absolutely clear: i received information last night. A50 is town. I won't be discussing the way that information came to me because scum trying to actually figure it out is an exercise in futility. I chose to release said info to stop a wasted discussion about a50 and to completely flip the script on any narratives scum wanted to open today with.

The fact multiple people came out today with "let's sheep Koba, vote:vp!" shows scum could have easily come into today pushing a couple easy misyeets had I not turned that plan on its head.

In post 1485, VP Baltar wrote:

In post 1442, Datisi wrote:ari and andres have admittedly weak votes on lapla. but those weak votes make no sense as bussing votes. what do scum!andres or scum!ari gain by blindly sheeping me/rtp onto the wagon, and not even trying to divert any attention elsehwere?

they're not getting towncred for the vote,

they're not opening the door for any other yeet, they're not setting up shit, they're just gamethrowing.

Isn't this literally what you're doing right now?

I agree they are non-controlling of the wagon, but ari was always going to sheep you D1 as meta. If that sheep happens to go onto a weak buddy, that seems like something that is going to be considered town-indicative generally. I have a hard time imagining a world where Ari in particular comes out double barreled on D1 and people aren't asking questions about her meta, at least from what I saw last game with her. I find it somewhat weird you have no paranoia or suspicion of the Lap wagon having bus potential when he just straight spaghettied himself and then left the thread at the mildest pressure.

That reads a lot to me like you wanting to keep townies happy.

In post 1481, VP Baltar wrote:

In post 1445, Datisi wrote:i get why me saying "a50 is most likely scum, if he's town then it's in vp/skitter" looks unfortunate if you're town and you have info on a50 being town. like, i get it. but look at everything else that points at me being town - i can go through each and every one of my scumgames on site to show why this isn't how i play around my partners. iv can vouch for the sheer level of planning i do as scum, especially when we're planning theatre. lapla fell apart, that doesn't happen if i'm there.

Iv, I'd like to hear your assessment on whether you think it is possible Datisi bussed lap.

In post 1163, Reformed Toxic Player wrote:

In post 1162, DkKoba wrote:vetoing any push on datisi until limlo ty

In post 1117, Reformed Toxic Player wrote:

In post 1116, DkKoba wrote:

In post 1113, Something_Smart wrote:I care!

ok thats bc u trust every claim and crutch mechs

i point to large 236 where i simply steamroll an FN claim in lieu of a strong scumread on kyouko

This is similar here

I will steamroll this slot no matter what it claims

In post 1053, Reformed Toxic Player wrote:in a mason world, a backup claim becomes much more suspicious to me

In post 1024, Reformed Toxic Player wrote:ok well just fucking vote lap then and we can talk about where to go from there d2.

i honestly have doubts about your mason claim and won't be believing it until one of you 2 are night flipped


if you make it to limlo do not maintain the claim if you truly are just neighbors is all i ask

In post 1020, Reformed Toxic Player wrote:house is town

if house is fakeclaiming and willing to throw the game though and IV isn't really a mason ill be really pissed

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In post 1018, Reformed Toxic Player wrote:fwiw i think house is more likely neighbors with IV and just townreads IV

this is something to keep in mind if neither flips over the course of the next couple night phases

In post 1017, Reformed Toxic Player wrote:the level of detail and effort put into that analysis is still towny and you're just lost in the sauce of being masons

In post 1016, Reformed Toxic Player wrote:frog is still town

stand down

you're exhibiting mason ego

In post 990, Reformed Toxic Player wrote:?

IV seems to have spewed they arent aware of anything


can u explain what you mean

In post 955, Reformed Toxic Player wrote:andres is like never caught up rofl


SS i could reread to make sure im not wrong but im pretty consistently good at reading SS as ive caught scum him in 2 recent games(well, 1 from spec chat)

tho
uh

tbf i caught him cuz he complained about something that is unfair to scum lol

so maybe my scumdar on him is just when he exits his townrange

In post 949, Reformed Toxic Player wrote:i'm vetoing SS and andres sorry

In post 944, Reformed Toxic Player wrote:yes im null on a50 which is - again - why i am ok with the wagon on him rn but i wanna push my own preferred wagon


i like competing wagons

especially if i think theyre scum v scum

In post 943, Reformed Toxic Player wrote:i think SS is in his town meta because as scum he kinda feels different energy wise


and andres i think is also in town meta even tho i havent seen his scum game - but ill leave him alive for 1 day regardless cuz he gets fearkilled a lot bc he really gets stronger as the game goes on

In post 2003, House wrote:Sorry for Outworld flipping green.

That was my best guess.

In post 2006, House wrote:I'd sooner yeet you.

In post 2010, Andresvmb wrote:I see one important commonality between the wagon that pushed Laplacian (which I am also inclined to think contained a busser mind you, though why Mathblade insisted so hard in starting there is well beyond me), and the Skitter wagon, and that’s Frogsterking.

In post 2012, Datisi wrote:

In post 2010, Andresvmb wrote:I see one important commonality between the wagon that pushed Laplacian (which I am also inclined to think contained a busser mind you, though why Mathblade insisted so hard in starting there is well beyond me), and the Skitter wagon, and that’s Frogsterking.

didn't both me and ari also be on both of those wagons? and math-slot for that matter?

In post 2009, Datisi wrote:the fact that these two posts are one after the other is some major oof from me, boss

In post 2013, Andresvmb wrote:VPB’s clear

In post 2014, Datisi wrote:weren't we both on those wagons* jfc english is difficult

i'll read the posts you linked in a bit, but the thing is, wrt 2011, if a scum player actually is planning to make such a huge fucking case against their buddy like frogs did against lapla, i think they would never ever get off from that wagon because at that point, the whole idea is to bus them into the ground and reap towncred from the redflip

In post 2019, Datisi wrote:i think s_s is the other

if i poweryeet scum today, will you trust me and get math tomorrow

In post 2019, Datisi wrote:i think s_s is the other

if i poweryeet scum today, will you trust me and get math tomorrow