↑mykonian wrote:I have no clue why we are letting TSO bullshit through his fakeclaim.
Simple question: where are the other results?
↑mykonian wrote:Not particulary. You could try to understand farsides case once more. It's not hard.
TSO softclaims a guilty of sorts on SSK, anatole's buddy. Anatole hops on, it's SSK after all, you let him go.
Then, csareo comes in and casts doubt on TSO's claim. It doesn't look good. Anatole hops off, "csareo is making sense".
Then, when town figures out they do want to follow TSO, anatole knows he needs to be back in his good looking early bussing spot: he's on again.
That unvote is opportunistic scum play. That's where you catch anatole, not in the hundreds of posts asking questions and setting things up. Like I complained earlier on, anatole has a defensive playstyle this game. It aims to explain every action they do, doesn't focus on outplaying scum, finding them. This was a point where there's an action he tries to explain, but does it wishy washy: he stepped out. His "csareo was kind of making good points", but him not joining him in voting TSO, for example, is a weak play that he's trying to avoid here when we pushed him on it, he's got only weak excuses. This is the point where he shows his intentions, this was the crack in his armor.
I don't know how I missed those first posts yesterday. Myko - you voted TSO and said he was fakeclaiming to defend SSK. How is that not way scummier than what you accused me of yesterday? You also said almost exactly what you quoted me as saying
csareo, you are posting sense here
So why would it be a point against me that I was considering what he was saying?
Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2014 9:26 am
by xRECKONERx
It might be confirmation bias but HOLY HELL those interactions read scum-scum to me. Like, it's very, very obvious.
Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2014 9:29 am
by Anatole Kuragin
I like myko more than flub for scum, even with those interactions. I think farside/myko is a possibility.
Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2014 9:31 am
by xRECKONERx
FARSIDE/FLUBBER AS SCUMPALS, ABRIDGED FOR PEOPLE ON THE GO:
Post 666: Farside pushed me (Reck) for "fake" fluff posting, but when Flubber posts fluff, she sits down and has a conversation with him to draw out explanations for his reads.
Post 951: Flubber tells Farside that his post isn't fluff. Farside ignores this and never responds, despite calling his posting 'fluff' earlier.
Post 1057: Flubber passively defends Farside from me (Reck) by calling it WIFOM (it's not).
Post 1221: Flubber gives no read on farside but just calls her post stupid. Content is about her style, not her play or any alignment stuff. Farside did the same thing against SSK.
Posts 1839 & 1856: Earlier in the game, farside had a cow and went after me (Reck) for misinterpreting myko's case on TSO for a case on Matt... then, when Flubber mistakes farside's case on myko for a case on me... she says fucking NOTHING ABOUT IT. NOT A FUCKING
PEEEEEP
!
Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2014 9:32 am
by xRECKONERx
fuuuuuuck.
@MOD: Please fix my tags on the second URL in the last bullet point in 2053.
Nailed it - Omod
Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2014 10:00 am
by mykonian
anatole, that's because it was nearly a continuation vote from before. IIRC the case on TSO started off with his poor entrance in the game, and it really didn't end there. Only starting on the day TSO decided to softclaim to check for my posts is indeed not going to get you anywhere. I'm not quite sure why you didn't just CTRL-F my iso for mentions, but made a selection yourself.
I do feel there's a share conf bias in Reck's case. For example: I don't know if it's a good idea to go "she treats me like this, treats flubber like that, they must have something special". It's different people, of course responses differ. But that's the only one that really stood out as a bit oversold. It's mostly 2048 that stands out, that's uncharacteristic.
↑mykonian wrote:I have no clue why we are letting TSO bullshit through his fakeclaim.
Simple question: where are the other results?
↑mykonian wrote:Not particulary. You could try to understand farsides case once more. It's not hard.
TSO softclaims a guilty of sorts on SSK, anatole's buddy. Anatole hops on, it's SSK after all, you let him go.
Then, csareo comes in and casts doubt on TSO's claim. It doesn't look good. Anatole hops off, "csareo is making sense".
Then, when town figures out they do want to follow TSO, anatole knows he needs to be back in his good looking early bussing spot: he's on again.
That unvote is opportunistic scum play. That's where you catch anatole, not in the hundreds of posts asking questions and setting things up. Like I complained earlier on, anatole has a defensive playstyle this game. It aims to explain every action they do, doesn't focus on outplaying scum, finding them. This was a point where there's an action he tries to explain, but does it wishy washy: he stepped out. His "csareo was kind of making good points", but him not joining him in voting TSO, for example, is a weak play that he's trying to avoid here when we pushed him on it, he's got only weak excuses. This is the point where he shows his intentions, this was the crack in his armor.
I don't know how I missed those first posts yesterday. Myko - you voted TSO and said he was fakeclaiming to defend SSK. How is that not way scummier than what you accused me of yesterday? You also said almost exactly what you quoted me as saying
csareo, you are posting sense here
So why would it be a point against me that I was considering what he was saying?
oh, wait, completely misread post. Or misunderstood the purpose. You are actually defending yourself. And fuck that. Because I didn't vote SSK as soon as the softclaim was found (at which point a buddy would "oh god, my partner got investigated, I better get my spot on the wagon secure for a bus". Then csareo comes, and you see a chance that your buddy lives, as TSO doesn't push through and just claims an investigation of sorts. You unvote and "consider". Or sit at the fence, I don't care how you call it. When it turns out SSK is getting lynched anyway, you are back on.
Did you see me unvote? That's the point.
Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2014 10:23 am
by xRECKONERx
@Myko: when someone is treating two similar situations very differently, there's something there. Farside absolutely has not applied the same scrutiny to Flub as she has to me.
Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2014 10:27 am
by mykonian
too often it's because the people are different. I'm sure you could make similar arguments for my interaction with everybody. I have expectations with people, and those do affect the way I respond.
Not a fan of the argument.
Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2014 10:47 am
by xRECKONERx
The argument against me holds the exact same weight against me as it does against Flubber. We're not talking about playstyle differences, we're talking about content.
Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2014 3:26 pm
by farside22
Spoiler: Hidden Double Post
↑Anatole Kuragin wrote:Myko I find it weird that you're dropping such an ill-considered vote so early in the round on a day that could determine whether we lose or win this game.
↑Anatole Kuragin wrote:It won't be the end of the game, but mislynching here is pretty big.
↑Anatole Kuragin wrote:Tomorrow is lylo with likely two scum alive if I am lynched today.
Why are you voting Csareo? He could be scum but if TSO is telling the truth he didn't send the kill.
TSO, why didn't you protect a conftown player who 100% was going to be killed?
Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2014 3:29 pm
by farside22
↑farside22 wrote:I think reck has tried to call me scum with everyone he's tried to lynch this game.
This is for reck.
Yesterday csa, today Flubber.
Anatole: I don't vote typically in lylo. Can I ask why you said this to myko yesterday.
↑Anatole Kuragin wrote:Myko I find it weird that you're dropping such an ill-considered vote so early in the round on a day that could determine whether we lose or win this game.
↑Anatole Kuragin wrote:It won't be the end of the game, but mislynching here is pretty big.
↑Anatole Kuragin wrote:Tomorrow is lylo with likely two scum alive if I am lynched today.
Why are you voting Csareo? He could be scum but if TSO is telling the truth he didn't send the kill.
TSO, why didn't you protect a conftown player who 100% was going to be killed?
And today it's scummy I didn't vote out the gate?
I'm curious why both is a big deal issue.
mod delete 2060 please or put in spoilers
Myko: I voted because Tso wasn't listening and I was tired of arguing with him.
I am killing this! - Omod
Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2014 3:31 pm
by farside22
Also I'm busy till Monday. I'll get to my cases then.
Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2014 4:48 pm
by xRECKONERx
Lol. Hand waves my case by discrediting it with something irrelevant
Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2014 9:04 pm
by farside22
↑xRECKONERx wrote:Lol. Hand waves my case by discrediting it with something irrelevant
It's true.
Scum with csa. Scum with Flubber.
You just want me to be scum so why did you not push a case yesterday?
As for Flubber, he's forgettable because he's barely around. Did anyone really mention the guy at all till yesterday?
You want to vote for me for forgetting about him while fighting with others, let me know how often you remembered he was in this game and thought he was scum, at all.
Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2014 12:14 am
by mykonian
↑farside22 wrote:Did anyone really mention the guy at all till yesterday?
↑xRECKONERx wrote:Lol. Hand waves my case by discrediting it with something irrelevant
It's true.
Scum with csa. Scum with Flubber.
You just want me to be scum so why did you not push a case yesterday?
As for Flubber, he's forgettable because he's barely around. Did anyone really mention the guy at all till yesterday?
You want to vote for me for forgetting about him while fighting with others, let me know how often you remembered he was in this game and thought he was scum, at all.
Except that it's LYLO, so saying I'm pairing you with "the lynch" for the day is stupid. Can you show me why what I said about you/Flub interactions is untrue or misleading?
↑xRECKONERx wrote:Lol. Hand waves my case by discrediting it with something irrelevant
It's true.
Scum with csa. Scum with Flubber.
You just want me to be scum so why did you not push a case yesterday?
As for Flubber, he's forgettable because he's barely around. Did anyone really mention the guy at all till yesterday?
You want to vote for me for forgetting about him while fighting with others, let me know how often you remembered he was in this game and thought he was scum, at all.
Except that it's LYLO, so saying I'm pairing you with "the lynch" for the day is stupid. Can you show me why what I said about you/Flub interactions is untrue or misleading?
Because I'm not scum.
Why have you paired me with Flubber today and csa yesterday if you were not just trying to tie me to someone?
Walk me through how that is not what you are doing? Do you want the quotes?
Why you don't respond to my questions I asked about my case in anatole and why you continue to ignore him?
Tell me why.
I don't know. Like I said yesterday, myko has flown under the radar for me, and the few times he HAS popped up it hasn't been egregious. Flubber has pinged me as scum on and off and I've mostly written it off as just "Oh well he could just be a VI", but coming into today with a scumread on me (or, as he put it, a scumread on me and myko but slightly more on me) feels very disgusting.
I've alluded to it but yeah, I feel like I'm being groomed as a mislynch. Look at the fucking dead players... vezok, Matt, and TSO ALL thought I was town (granted, vezok was my bad) and now any voice that had a strong town read on me is dead, leaving nothing but whispering masses of people who may-or-may-not have a scumread on me. It just stinks, and I can't think of any other reason why I'm still alive right now other than I look scummy enough to lynch, whereas there was no fucking way scum would ever be able to get Matt or TSO lynched.
I think Flubber is still a VI... but I think that VI-ness is what lead to him playing his cards too early today and showing that he wants to go after me.
Farside, I've had a scumread on all game. This isn't news, and nothing that has happened has assuaged me. I need to look at farside x Flubber interactions to see what I can gleam there, but the most damning evidence is still the way farside played around SSK's meta and conclusively found that his lurking was null, then tried to dump off the responsibility of that read onto me.
This post eludes that you don't see Flubber scum. So in my opinion you try me to anyone but continue to ignore anatole and yet I don't get thee why.
I mean if you want to talk about dead townies, Vezo was the only one to call me scum. Matt, beli, esp, csa all had town reads on me. So this in my view is tunnelling all game unreasonableness, coming from you reck.
Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2014 9:00 am
by xRECKONERx
nah, I'll engage with you when you actually fucking address my questions
I went and ISO'd flubber for interactions with you. Those interactions were less than stellar. ~fin~
I don't know. Like I said yesterday, myko has flown under the radar for me, and the few times he HAS popped up it hasn't been egregious. Flubber has pinged me as scum on and off and I've mostly written it off as just "Oh well he could just be a VI", but coming into today with a scumread on me (or, as he put it, a scumread on me and myko but slightly more on me) feels very disgusting.
I've been scum reading you since I did a reread of the whole thread. Both you and Myko. I don't like how defensive you are playing. Note, this has nothing to do with you making a post or two to defend yourself. Your play has self preservation waaay to high on your priorities. I skimmed the ISO of the first link you had in that list of games you played in. Inflammatory behavior doesn't bother me. But your ISO was a lot more aggressive in that game than in this one.
I've alluded to it but yeah, I feel like I'm being groomed as a mislynch. Look at the fucking dead players... vezok, Matt, and TSO ALL thought I was town (granted, vezok was my bad) and now any voice that had a strong town read on me is dead, leaving nothing but whispering masses of people who may-or-may-not have a scumread on me. It just stinks, and I can't think of any other reason why I'm still alive right now other than I look scummy enough to lynch, whereas there was no fucking way scum would ever be able to get Matt or TSO lynched.
I'm reading this a fearmongering attempt to accuse me of fearmongering.
I think Flubber is still a VI... but I think that VI-ness is what lead to him playing his cards too early today and showing that he wants to go after me.
I hate to ask what may seem like an insulting question but I've seen the terminology mean different things before. But I'm assuming you personally can consider a VI of mafia alignment?
Farside, I've had a scumread on all game. This isn't news, and nothing that has happened has assuaged me. I need to look at farside x Flubber interactions to see what I can gleam there, but the most damning evidence is still the way farside played around SSK's meta and conclusively found that his lurking was null, then tried to dump off the responsibility of that read onto me.
Based off of farside's opinions of SSK how do you expect her to be reading me?
Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2014 10:39 am
by xRECKONERx
↑Flubbernugget wrote:I've been scum reading you since I did a reread of the whole thread. Both you and Myko. I don't like how defensive you are playing. Note, this has nothing to do with you making a post or two to defend yourself. Your play has self preservation waaay to high on your priorities. I skimmed the ISO of the first link you had in that list of games you played in. Inflammatory behavior doesn't bother me. But your ISO was a lot more aggressive in that game than in this one.
It was aggressive because I was put on the defensive. You obviously didn't fucking read it. The only reason I was able to be aggressive is because people came after me that game. It's how I fucking operate: I don't fuck with anyone, really, until people start coming at me.
Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2014 10:40 am
by xRECKONERx
↑Flubbernugget wrote:I hate to ask what may seem like an insulting question but I've seen the terminology mean different things before. But I'm assuming you personally can consider a VI of mafia alignment?
Yes. VI is a nice way of saying "fucking moron"
Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2014 10:40 am
by xRECKONERx
↑Flubbernugget wrote:Based off of farside's opinions of SSK how do you expect her to be reading me?
How she is: by not having a read on you and ignoring you.