i dont really understand what's going on with Dwlee and RR if one is mechanically guilty okay
But if there's any ambiguity i'd rather vote worstie by far especially considering the confusing nature of this game
Why would RR claim something like FN falsely without having knowledge of Dwlee visiting them? I dont really see
Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2021 10:46 am
by Radical Rat
As of right now, I don't think there's a mechanical guilty. I did think I had one but it was just my brain not working properly. Dwlee's still probably Town, and I was probably roleblocked, which sucks but that's what I get for publicly announcing an action.
Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2021 10:51 am
by Dwlee99
In post 2150, Morning Tweet wrote:i dont really understand what's going on with Dwlee and RR if one is mechanically guilty okay
But if there's any ambiguity i'd rather vote worstie by far especially considering the confusing nature of this game
Why would RR claim something like FN falsely without having knowledge of Dwlee visiting them? I dont really see
RR claimed it thinking no one had visited them. So they didn't think they could get CC'd on it
Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2021 10:55 am
by Almost50
Meanwhile I do have a
mechanical soft guilty
on Gamma who has been active enough elsewhere but ignoring this thread at all costs.
I also have a 95% clear on Pooky from last night, so stop being [redacted] and vote Gamma or tw (who is confirmed Scum by play).
I do have a post that explains my role in details, but I think it best to wait for Gama to FULL CLAIM HIS ROLE NAME AND HOW IT WORKS before I fully claim myself.
ONE THING though: There used to be a time when Scum could hunt for the COP/INVESTIGATIVE by paying attention to sudden changes in reads overnight. Now neither Scum nor Town pay attention to such “minor details”. That's PATHETIC play from both sides tbh.
In post 1983, Almost50 wrote:Pooky is still TOWN to me. I suspect Gamma "may" be Scum, but I'm not confident there.
I'm shocked A50 can read me but nobody else apparently can
What made you think I could read you rather than think I investigated you?? Like, when was I ever that good at reading you with any degree of confidence anyway?
Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2021 10:58 am
by Morning Tweet
how am i supposed to know which of your reads are bullshit and which are real
Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2021 10:59 am
by Morning Tweet
Also I can't say ive ever paid attention to people softing roles as town ever so i dont really get why you're so jaded about it, i dont have much reason to hunt PRs and if i hunt and im wrong then that's even worse
In post 2150, Morning Tweet wrote:i dont really understand what's going on with Dwlee and RR if one is mechanically guilty okay
But if there's any ambiguity i'd rather vote worstie by far especially considering the confusing nature of this game
Why would RR claim something like FN falsely without having knowledge of Dwlee visiting them? I dont really see
RR claimed it thinking no one had visited them. So they didn't think they could get CC'd on it
I mean, if I were scum trying to pull something like that, I'd just get a buddy to "confirm" it rather than rely on "I can't prove anything anymore but trust me"
Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2021 11:02 am
by Almost50
In post 2155, Morning Tweet wrote:how am i supposed to know which of your reads are bullshit and which are real
When you have me insisting Pooky (of all players) is TOWN out of the blue you should pause for a second and think why that was the case. Especially so when Pooky wasn't in my Town pool on D1.
In post 1983, Almost50 wrote:Pooky is still TOWN to me. I suspect Gamma "may" be Scum, but I'm not confident there.
I'm shocked A50 can read me but nobody else apparently can
What made you think I could read you rather than think I investigated you?? Like, when was I ever that good at reading you with any degree of confidence anyway?
Do you expect Town players to just go "HEY GUYS I FOUND THE COP" publicly? I can't comprehend why you're so upset no one caught on and prematurely outed you, especially with no proof other than "weird shitposty player has inconsistent reads"
Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2021 11:05 am
by Almost50
In post 2156, Morning Tweet wrote:Also I can't say ive ever paid attention to people softing roles as town ever so i dont really get why you're so jaded about it
Which is why you're not "perfect". Town pays attention so they can read between the lines, but apparently that's not how Mafia is played anymore. Everybody wants a Cop to be useful ONCE at best. They should claim their 1st night result and eat a bullet the next night regardless. Brilliant!
Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2021 11:05 am
by Radical Rat
Where is anyone saying any of this???
Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2021 11:08 am
by Almost50
In post 2159, Radical Rat wrote:I can't comprehend why you're so upset no one caught on and prematurely outed you,
I didn't say OUT ME! I said FOLLOW ME. Like, even the IC insisted on voting my TOP TR whom I've been explicitly insisting they were Town, and mollie even questioned me for not sheeping her unto Pooky. Now THAT is what's annoying me. FOUR people have voted Pooky, including the IC who had me as their TOP TR from the get go, but obviously weren't paying much attention from that point on.
Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2021 11:10 am
by Almost50
@RR: Let's just agree to disagree. In fact. let's agree to stay friends outside of Mafia and never to play together again. I find your argument for the sake of argument to be most frustrating. Like, what are you trying to say or prove here? What good is it for the game?
Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2021 11:11 am
by Almost50
I wasn't even talking to YOU, so why did you feel the need to interfere with something so meaningless?
In post 863, Dwlee99 wrote:Did you actually fake it? Jfc I was pretty sure dotw was town and if Ari is scum I'm giving you shit for it forever
Did you think I was a Day Cop or something?
It's just that I do have something that makes me like 95% confident he is Town.
After your fake inno on Ari, you said this, which sounds an awful lot like what you're claiming on Pooky now. But now you say the worst is scum for voting Pooky without explanation. Is that really enough to undermine whatever 95% clear thing you have, or was the whole thing just entirely faked?
P-edit:
Almost50 wrote:I wasn't even talking to YOU, so why did you feel the need to interfere with something so meaningless?
Because I still have a scumread on you and am trying to figure out how much of your posts to believe, and whether I need to change that read.
In post 2150, Morning Tweet wrote:i dont really understand what's going on with Dwlee and RR if one is mechanically guilty okay
But if there's any ambiguity i'd rather vote worstie by far especially considering the confusing nature of this game
Why would RR claim something like FN falsely without having knowledge of Dwlee visiting them? I dont really see
RR claimed it thinking no one had visited them. So they didn't think they could get CC'd on it
I mean, if I were scum trying to pull something like that, I'd just get a buddy to "confirm" it rather than rely on "I can't prove anything anymore but trust me"
But then you'd be tying your buddy to yourself
Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2021 11:24 am
by Radical Rat
I would, yes. But if I'm going to fake a provable role, I'm going to fake proving it rather than not proving it. Just a big unnecessary risk otherwise.
Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2021 11:30 am
by Almost50
@RR: The Ari thing was half a meme and half his ROLE NAME. I am the DEATH KNIGHT. I thought his Role NAME + how it worked was more likely Town than Scum. Plus Ari didn't feel scummy by play, but everyone insisted HIS BLOODY META was to lurk as Scum. when the fact is Ari lurks as either alignments, and he forewarned us he won't be active before the roles where even crafted, let alone distributed, so the very reason EVERYONE was pushing him for was FALSE.
Now I could still be Scum to you (or anyone else who may want to still think it), but if the reason is "I fake claimed an inno" then it's one of the most ridiculous reasons to SR me at all, because I would NOT do that as Scum. Not to save a Scum p. and CERTAINLY NOT TO SAVE SOMEONE I'M NOT ALIGNED WITH.
Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2021 11:31 am
by Almost50
In post 2167, Radical Rat wrote:I would, yes. But if I'm going to fake a provable role, I'm going to fake proving it rather than not proving it.
Just a big unnecessary risk otherwise
.
This is hypocritic. Not gonna say anything more.
Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2021 11:43 am
by Radical Rat
This is a discussion I would like to have more after the game when we can both know we're acting in good faith.
For now though, I will say that the whole fake inno thing isn't the only reason I scumread you, it's just that the big obvious lie right before deadline that forced everyone to quicklim someone no one was really happy with, and got handwaved as a joke was very frustrating to me and indeed a major contributor. I thought you were deliberately trying to pull a "too scummy to be scum" move.
Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2021 11:45 am
by Radical Rat
I know I'm not always the best at communicating my thoughts, and I'm sorry if I genuinely upset you here. I'll back off for the time being.
Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2021 11:59 am
by Morning Tweet
Yea okay mate, just do what you want. i'll vote gamma or worst
on Gamma who has been active enough elsewhere but ignoring this thread at all costs.
I also have a 95% clear on Pooky from last night, so stop being [redacted] and vote Gamma or tw (who is confirmed Scum by play).
I do have a post that explains my role in details, but I think it best to wait for Gama to FULL CLAIM HIS ROLE NAME AND HOW IT WORKS before I fully claim myself.
ONE THING though: There used to be a time when Scum could hunt for the COP/INVESTIGATIVE by paying attention to sudden changes in reads overnight. Now neither Scum nor Town pay attention to such “minor details”. That's PATHETIC play from both sides tbh.
Trying to shame people into doing what you want is slurry turd milkshake playing.
Don't play like a slurry turd milkshake just because some players have a different take on the game, than you.
I hunt specials, it is kind of my thing and I could not pick your hint out of crowd.
Who was your n1? And can you please unpack your thoughts as to why you chose the candidates that you did?
In [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=13095803#p13095803]post 1910[/url], Gypyx wrote:Hi folks, this is mastina here. Like a dummy dum dum, I forgot to coordinate with mollie an N2 message to send to y'all, so this is purely from me and won't contain as in-depth a summary as our N1 message did, because I don't have the time to get mollie to sign off on this meaning I can't send anything mollie doesn't want to be sent.
I'll start by saying one of the reasons I was so negligent is that we'll be joining you in the living at the start of D3. (We could rejoin the living at any time, but once we do, we can die to a scum nightkill. We valued being an immortal IC over being able to talk live given we could message y'all still + I was fairly swamped IRL so me not being required to post every 48 hours actually was good for me, but we both have agreed that interacting in real time is needed. We wanted to in the latter half of D2, which is one of the reasons our D2 message was so delayed, but ultimately we decided we should rejoin the living at the
beginning
of a day phase as to get the most time to interact with y'all.)
Speaking of D2 tho: my originally-planned message was 98 characters, but it contained something from mollie that mollie asked me to remove, and I obliged. It was something that at the time was mostly mollie, but I now believe to be true even MORE than mollie does, but I still need mollie's permission to out it, which as of me sending this, I do not have. (Sorry, again, me = dumdum.)
We believe the game is more likely than not to be multiball. NDMath's flip seems to confirm that to us.
The lines about not eliminating Aristophanes/the worst and eliminating Pookythemagicalbear are self-explanatory.
But the line about Morning Tweet apparently caused confusion.
pirate mollie's read on MT is a complicated one. Again, I'd elaborate more if I had not been a dummy dum dum and not gotten approval first so I can't talk about mollie's read there in full without first getting mollie's consent so lacking it, can't go into details, buuuuuut, basically:
pirate mollie thought that MT looked insanely town initially, but later thought that MT was very probably scum especially in certain situatons. pirate mollie summed it up as basically what I intended to say in that post:
"Either MT is a power-wolf or is the gem of the town".
As in, regardless of Morning Tweet's alignment, Morning Tweet is making really :goodposting:, is actually trying, is a breath of fresh air for the game. If Morning Tweet were town, that would make MT the MVP of the town by virtue of being so full of energy and investment.
...However, mollie believes there's a very very high chance that in spite of how MT's efforting hard, that Morning Tweet is just scum here in spite of the good effort. This is supported by our theory of the game being multiball, because if the game is multiball as we suspect, then Morning Tweet's effort has an obvious explanation: MT can still be super-town by scumhunting for another scum function.
More than that from mollie will have to wait until D3, but I'll share some of my own thoughts.
In contrast to mollie, I do admit; I had an instant read on Morning Tweet's posts: That MT was a power-wolf, in that MT's posts looked good, looked town, but that MT was still scum in spite of how good her posts looked.
That having been said
, there's something REALLY important to address:
The disingenuous-as-fuck take from Pooky.
Because guess what?
I've got basically zero reads in the game.
I think that the Aristophanes slot is still more likely town than not.
I think that Almost50 is still more likely town than not.
I think that Skybird is still more likely town than not.
I, loosely, still believe RR has a high chance of being town albeit not to the same extent as the above three.
I,
very
loosely, still vaguely think Titus to be town, albeit not to the same extent as the above four.
Per the above, I have an overwhelmingly strong gut read that Morning Tweet is a powerwolf, efforting-scum. (Sorry MT, I don't know
what
gave me that strong of a gut read on you but it's literally one of my strongest gutreads I've ever gotten.)
And I have since come to believe that mollie's theory was spot-on (tho I can't out it). But the theory I believe now which was mollie, I didn't believe at the time of our 1666.
At the time I posted that, guess what?
While I had the 5 moderate-to-weak townreads and the scumread on MT?
The rest, and this is why Pooky's posting was disigenuous-as-fuck, the rest of what was said, the entirety of 1666?
That wasn't from me.
That was from PIRATE MOLLIE.
So Pooky was being disingenuous-as-fuck by trying to say "mastina's reads are never right especially on me"--guess what? I didn't have a read on you at all at that point, Pooky. That read was 100% entirely pirate mollie's read and it wasn't until Pooky pushed it as "mastina is always wrong on me" that I got a scumread on you because again, disingenuous as fuck. I'm not playing solo, here. In fact, pirate mollie has done far more work than *I* have.
I've struggled to get reads of any notable strength in this game; basically most of the game is varying shades of null. Heck, during my most busy time I literally went a full week without reading the game! So OBVIOUSLY I am not the one driving our reads here, and IF it were MY read I'd even agree with Pooky! Not to trust me, because when I'm not operating at 100% capacity, my reads tend to not be as good. So I WOULDN'T trust my reads!
But the "please kill Pooky" wasn't from me.
It was
directly from pirate mollie
.
Most of our slot right now isn't me. I'm the mouthpiece for pirate mollie. I'm
submitting
the posts, sure! But while I'm writing the posts and submitting them, make no mistake: a good 80% of what is being said is not MY beliefs. Not MY input. It's ~80% PIRATE MOLLIE.
And don't you fucking DARE disrespect pirate mollie by pretending pirate mollie is me and that mollie's reads suck as much as mine do when pirate mollie is this active, this invested. mollie's literally been quoting posts as they happen with commentary as if playing live. They are VERY much in the game, playing it, more than I am, so you DON'T disrespect their reads like that
Hi there, this is mastina.
I am at work, but I believe that I might have the game solved, or damn near close to it.
I have half of it written up (the post that I wanted to post yesterday), but the remaining half, I need to type up once I get home.
In the mean time, I just wanted our N1/2 posts directly in our iso. (Sorry, I know that it's long.)
Will explain my solve once I get home, and also respond to everything on D3.