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Xiao Long (3)

: notquitethere, Mr. Flay, rmpeacoc

JerryArr (2)

: Fear the poster, jon_h61

lortaku (2)

: pitoli, JerryArr

rmpeacoc (1)

: Xiao Long

No Vote (1)

: lortaku

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch!

The deadline is Saturday, June 8, at 4:00 PM CDT, which is in (expired on 2013-06-08 16:00:00).

Looking for a replacement for Fear the poster.

Hi everyone, I'll need a while to catch up on everything, but will try to post something substantive as soon as possible!

In post 222, pitoli wrote:If the "slip" is about me calling the players on Fear's list "town" then I think that's slightly ridiculous.
It should have been obvious that I wasn't calling their alignment, I was using town in the sense of "this game's group of players".

You're right, that's the simple explanation. But it also could indicate that you knew no scum were in that group. Cases are built on such small things.

UNVOTE: Xiao Long However right now I much prefer to VOTE: JerryArr. Xiao has been much more plugged-in in the last page or so, and answering questions without the snippiness and has good responses to (most) suspicions. Jerry on the other hand is voting for pressure with 6 days left. WTF??

I will read things over tonight. Right now I am going to pass out for a few hours.

It's taking longer than I thought to get through all this info. I think I will start by posting my reads on people so far but that will be in a post later today. Note that I live in Australia which is pretty much the opposite time zone from most people here, it seems (the time of this post for me is about 10:10am on Monday morning).

For now I will:

UNVOTE: JerryArr

While I haven't gone through and analysed everything in great detail, here are:




He first came across as overly defensive and evasive in #47 and again in #81. If I'm honest, after I read #94 I formed the view he was being more of a hindrance than a help to town, and it might be worth lynching him for being a liability. Since then my opinion has changed a bit though, he's been somewhat more productive though and is reading more null-town. His post in #146 was quite commendable and useful to town. The whole thing with Xiao and rmpeacoc was pretty distracting, all I take from it is that rmp might overreact a bit (also would be amazed if they were both scum - if one of them flips scum I'd have a lot of trust for the other). At this stage I'm thinking town but could easily be wrong. Since he's been the subject of a lot of controversy, it may be useful to lynch him anyway, since other people's comments about him would then be more revealing.


So far he strikes me as pretty clean. I don't like the fact that he has three votes already (until I unvoted him) because I'm not sure what he's done wrong, other than putting Xiao into L-1 which I think was an innocent mistake.


She has pretty much relentlessly attacked Xiao throughout the game, culminating in some fiery exchanges. However, most of her criticism of Xiao is about his of play, rather than his actual town/scum characteristics. Not sure what to make of that, but I'd probably say null-town at the moment.


Looks scummy to me at this stage. In #85 he over-exaggerates Xiao's "defiance" in the bit he quoted. Also found his post #87 slightly suspicious. He alleges that NQT's hypothical in post 44 was a trap, which is a possibility, but that seems like pretty advanced tactics for a newbie game. I didn't like it how Jon automatically ruled out the (much more likely) possibility that NQT's question was just flawed, instead claiming that it must have been a trap.


He started off ok: in #108 I like the fact that he jumped straight on Fear's flawed logic from the previous post. Not sure what to make of all of his hypotheticals - seems a bit fluffy. NQT probably wouldn't be a bad lynch because of his reads in #199. If he flipped scum they could be quite revealing. At this stage I'd rather not lynch him though.


Has looked town from the start and my predecessor agreed. I enjoyed her response to lortaku in #204, it has strong townie motivations as it puts some pressure on him. I also agree with what she said about Xiao in #210.


He really hasn't done enough in this game. Don't really think it's worth lynching him just for that though, but he certainly isn't helping town much. His obvious points in #204 seem more noob than scum to me.


I seem to be the only person who is at all suspicious of Flay, which is surprising given how he's been playing. Let's start with #104. He jumps on the easy target Xiao, then tries to associate Fear with him even though Fear probably was acting the most pro-town at that stage. Given Flay's assertion about Xiao, if Xiao flips town, I think it would be fairly safe to say that Flay is scum.

Also look at the buddying with jon in that post. It's probably worth quoting here:

In post 104, Mr. Flay wrote: jon is reading as eager town to me now, but the L-1 vote is worth noting. Be more careful in the future.

Flay seems to be trying to remove any suspicion for jon, but tries to hide this in a reproach about putting Xiao into L-1 (note that is was actually Jerry who put Xiao in L-1). Something also bothers me about this remark in #212 (pitoli is talking about Fear in her comment):

In post 212, Mr. Flay wrote:

In post 210, pitoli wrote:It looks like your lynch candidates are the half of town with less posts lol.

Possible scum slip.

Flay is really making something out of nothing here, which seems pointless. The only rational motive I can see is to heap unnecessary suspicion onto Fear to further Flay's Xiao/Fear scumbuddies case. Also look at Flay's comments about Jerry at the end of #212. It looks to me like he's trying to get a lynch moving, but he doesn't provide any info which supports his assertion that Jerry is scum other than this:

In post 212, Mr. Flay wrote:Of the other three,

I think JerryArr stands the most chance of being scum

, with notquitethere close behind. I can see a non-Scum motivation for nqt's obsession with hypotheticals, but it's also a REALLY easy way to look like you're generating content and participating without actually taking any stands or moving the game forward. lortaku on the other hand is just largely absent, so hard to read.

Jerry, on the other hand, seems to have a fairly good grasp of the game, but he Freaked Out when called on the L-1 vote. He's been gunshy with his vote ever since which, given his past site's history with NL on D1, might be understandable, but it's past the useful stage now. He needs to vote ASAP, because soon we're going to get to the "clock is running out we have to lynch Someone" stage of D1, and that's when scum can really shine in a game this small.

That says almost nothing about Jerry's scum character, but lays the groundwork for his later vote for Jerry in #229 which was again done without any reason why Jerry is mafioso. If Mr. Flay flips scum it would be very interesting - could basically assume that Jerry, Xiao, NQT and Fear (myself) are all town, given what he has said about them.

I think Mr. Flay is the most scummy player so far, and wouldn't be surprised if he and jon were in cahoots. I would be comfortable lynching Xiao because so much has been said about him and knowing his status would reveal a lot more about all of those comments.

In post 232, Kattaze wrote:tl:dr: I think Mr. Flay is the most scummy player so far, and wouldn't be surprised if he and jon were in cahoots. I would be comfortable lynching Xiao because so much has been said about him and knowing his status would reveal a lot more about all of those comments.

You say Mr Flay is scummiest, and that we are in cahoots. But you'd rather lynch Xiao? You do realize there are only two scum, I'm sure. So lynching someone who you say is Town is awfully scummie IMO.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Kattaze

In post 233, jon_h61 wrote:

In post 232, Kattaze wrote:tl:dr: I think Mr. Flay is the most scummy player so far, and wouldn't be surprised if he and jon were in cahoots. I would be comfortable lynching Xiao because so much has been said about him and knowing his status would reveal a lot more about all of those comments.

You say Mr Flay is scummiest, and that we are in cahoots. But you'd rather lynch Xiao? You do realize there are only two scum, I'm sure. So lynching someone who you say is Town is awfully scummie IMO.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Kattaze

That's not very fair. I never said I'd rather lynch Xiao, I just said Xiao might be a good lynch because a lot has been said about him and we could look at those comments in a new light when we know his status (plus he hasn't been very helpful to the town so far and acted pretty obstructive early on in the game).

The person I most want to lynch is Mr. Flay, so I suppose I'll put my money where my mouth is and VOTE: Mr. Flay.

I should add that you seem overly defensive of Mr. Flay here, especially when I've just made a case for him being scum. The fact that you felt the need to vote for me looks like an OMGUS, and an attempt to protect your scumbuddy.

To town: getting more suspicious about Flay/jon's relationship.

That would be an incredibly dense/obvious defense of a scumbuddy. "roll: What would SE-scum-jon have for defending IC-scum-Flay from a single vote? Bonus points for talking "to town" as if the two of us were known to be excluded from that group. Given Fear's posting history I'm not ready to call you scum, but you're certainly jumping in with both feet into shallow water.

How would Xiao flipping Town make me certifiable scum, Kattaze? What motivation would I have as scum for crucifying one person and one person alone? I merely mentioned a gut feeling, much like with jon in 104 (although you're correct that Jerry actually made the L-1 vote), and pitoli in 212. Does gut voting/suspicion bother you? You seem to be asking me for more of a case on JerryArr than I've already made, but I think I drew the lines pretty well in 212 and 229. However I can do a PBPA if really necessary. I want to hear more from Jerry first, though.

Fair enough

Mr. Flay wrote:That would be an incredibly dense/obvious defense of a scumbuddy. "roll: What

motivation

would SE-scum-jon have for defending IC-scum-Flay from a single vote? Bonus points for talking "to town" as if the two of us were known to be excluded from that group.

That's a fair point, maybe I was too hasty in saying that he was defending a scumbuddy. I still think it's worth noting though, and remember this is a newbie game so players will probably make some mistakes, also I think jon mentioned that he was pretty inexperienced.

About Xiao flipping town meaning you are scum, I didn't mean to imply that if Xiao is town then you are definitely scum, I just think that it would tend to suggest you are scum. This is mainly because you jumped on him pretty early (#34) then kinda slammed him in #104 and have pretty much gone after him since then in #183, #212 (named him as your number 1 scumread) and #220. Then you suddenly changed your mind and unvoted him. All I'm saying is that if he is town, your dogged persistence of him looks suspicious. If he flips mafia, I'd be the first to admit I was wrong about you and you'd be pretty much confirmed town in my mind. That's another reason why I think Xiao might be a good lynch by the way. Lastly, I'll admit that the case you've been making about Fear(me) and Xiao gave me some cause for concern, but that's only because I know my role and it's not fair to assume you do too.

Gut voting/suspicion doesn't bother me (I don't have much more than a gut feeling about you and jon) but your persistence could be revealing (note: that doesn't mean you must be scum).

I also would like to hear more from Jerry, do you have any thoughts about who we should lynch?

Before I get misconstrued I'd like to add that I'm not sure about Mr. Flay or Jon being scum, they are just at the top of my list of suspicious people. Please don't make out like I'm confidently announcing their guilt, I'm just sharing my suspicions with everyone so we can make a better decision.

I also wanted to know, say someone receives enough votes to be lynched, but the mod doesn't check the thread for a while, is that person allowed to keep talking?

Can they tell everyone their role, who they suspect, etc? Obviously scum wouldn't do this but if a townie gets lynched it would be in their interest to spill the beans about everything and voice all of their suspicions.

My apologies. I know I said I would read tonight and I'm going to right now. I just thought I'd get to this sooner. What I thought was going to be a 3 hour nap turned into sleeping 7 hours. I didn't realize I was so tired.

@Flay Do you think Xiao could have changed his play style due to the fact that he had so many votes on him?

@Kattaze I think you're reading a lot into Flay based on surface comments. Instead of talking about what he did say you read off of what he didn't, which I find to be quite unfair. Why didn't you ask any questions of him before voting him? Also I think Jon's questioning of NQT's hypothetical was just skeptical.

@lortaku feel free to ask any questions. You seem super confused and it doesn't help that you have zero time. I can't complain because I have no time either, but at least I know my way around a game. Try to learn something and ask a question each time you are around if you feel that you are struggling.

A big thank you to everyone who did answer my question. I'm feeling a bit more confident in what I'm doing now.


Flay's reads. He's going out on a limb saying some things and it just doesn't read as scummy to me. Scum would be more... fearful... of saying some of the things that Flay has been saying.


Kattaze reads from the surface. Lets talk about things people HAVE said rather than what they haven't.

I also don't like Jerry's vote on Lortake. IMO you don't vote a lurker just to get them to talk more, especially when they haven't been around and have tried to explain not being around.

I'd like to see more content from Pitoli (not a whole lot there, seems to be coasting maybe?

In post 237, Kattaze wrote:I also wanted to know, say someone receives enough votes to be lynched, but the mod doesn't check the thread for a while, is that person allowed to keep talking?

Can they tell everyone their role, who they suspect, etc? Obviously scum wouldn't do this but if a townie gets lynched it would be in their interest to spill the beans about everything and voice all of their suspicions.

That's usually called "Twilight" here, and yes, unless the rules state otherwise the lynched can keep talking as much as they want (still understanding that they can't direct-quote their Role PM, etc). Mod is under no obligation to them talk though, it all just depends on how soon they are on after the last vote is thrown.[/IC]

rmpeacoc wrote:@Flay Do you think Xiao could have changed his play style due to the fact that he had so many votes on him?

Not really. As Fear mentioned earlier, Xiao didn't cow into line earlier when put at L-1, and he's been the vote leader or tied leader for most of Day One so far. The Town-Xiao explanation of that is that either he finally got enough reads on people to start to work together better, or that other people started acting scummier. The Scum-Xiao explanation would be that either his partner deflected enough attention somewhere else, or that other people started acting scummier.

Xiao is still a strong second choice for me for lynch, if the Jerry-wagon doesn't get a head of steam. The recent posting has definitely been better, but I still think he was way too calm and antagonistic earlier, and the way he defended himself (or didn't) reeks of scum with a strong partner to me). And as Kattaze said, we'll learn a lot from that lynch. With that in mind, . We're running out of time for dithering, folks.

I don't think the Fear/Kattaze slot is scum. I feel like it would have been pretty easy/safe for scum!Katta to jump to vote someone who was already suspected by other players. Going for the IC seems a bit... I don't know, strange.

That being said, Jon's immediate vote of Katta is probably something to keep an eye on.

you both make good points. UNVOTE: .

Pitoli I still want to see more content from you. I'm seeing a few lines in each post, not that much content.

In post 203, Xiao Long wrote:

In post 199, notquitethere wrote:

In post 126, Fear the poster wrote:I'm the only player who isn't content with this lynch so either I am scum with Xiao or Xiao is town.

Not true. I could very well believe you being scum and setting up a situation here where you can say 'I told you so!' after town is lynched-- a classic scum tactic.

Which would mean I'm town, yet you have your vote on me and still claim I'm the scummiest in the game.

I was pointing out that Fear's logic wasn't sound and was poor town-play. Right now I don't know for certain if anyone is scum-- merely your general surliness has led me to hold you as the highest candidate. You've got to understand that I'm not sitting my vote on you for convenience or an easy lynch: by your actions you have been the most uncooperative player-- either you're scum or the one town player we can most afford to mislynch. That said, I'd rather not mislynch you so if you can give me, through your actions, valid reason to think you more likely town, then I'll vote someone else.

In post 209, Fear the poster wrote:I'm watching my stories right now and I'd like to hear more from Flay, jerr, quite and Lork before I come back. Those are the four players I am interested in lynching/think might be scum.

I strongly oppose a lynch outside of those players. Except for Jon. I only weakly oppose a lynch on him.

Everyone: I'd like your comments on the above players and which you think we should lynch, which you think we should not consider and which are stupid.

You do realise that this is a suspect tactic: allowing people to choose from a set of guilty candidates that you've already preselected? I'll entertain the notion that you're not scum for a moment and say that Lork for his hyper-lurking strikes me as most suspicious of the four, but elsewise, Xiao is the most suspicious. Why do you think his refusal to answer simple questions is acceptable?

In post 200, pitoli wrote:Notquitethere, I answered it in #130. Now are you just skimming the thread or what?

And a sensible answer it was-- I didn't see it the first time I read through (hence why I always embolden people's names so that when I direct something towards them, it's easy to spot).

In post 222, pitoli wrote:

agree with Flay on:

- a likely scum motivation for NQT's hypothetical questions

In post 212, Mr. Flay wrote:I can see a non-Scum motivation for nqt's obsession with hypotheticals, but it's also a REALLY easy way to look like you're generating content and participating without actually taking any stands or moving the game forward.

In post 232, Kattaze wrote:

notquitethere

Not sure what to make of all of his hypotheticals - seems a bit fluffy.

Regarding the hypothetical stuff-- it might be worth point out that most of my Mafia experience is on another site (Bay12) where discussing game style and hypothetical situations is the normal way for starting a game. This isn't some weird NQT-specific tic (I recall it frustrated Mafiascum regular Edosurist when he came and played on Bay12). Any given site will have their institutional habits, and it's possible it's a bad habit to have picked up. The general motivation for it is sound: ask questions until someone slips up. In my eyes, Xiao's complete and utter refusal to engage counts as a slip up.

In post 229, Mr. Flay wrote:Jerry on the other hand is voting for pressure with 6 days left. WTF??

Six days is a long time-- what's wrong with a pressure vote with six days left? (To be honest, I'm more used to to 4-day long days-- I don't really get the rationale for these super-long days.)

In post 239, Mr. Flay wrote:With that in mind,

EVERYBODY needs to at least post who their top two scum reads are in their next post

. We're running out of time for dithering, folks.

There's the better part of a week left-- this seems a tad alarmist, but I assume it's justified by experience. In any case, Lortaku/Xiao are still my top scum picks for now.

Like I said earlier, I think that one of the people voting for Xiao are scum. Because rmp seemed genuine town for me from the heated exchange before, and Kattaze seems to be contributing as town, I'm gonna go with VOTE: Mr. Flay
His vote has been on Xiao for some time, even though Xiao doesn't seem like scum. Also, it would provide some information on jon_h61, whether he's town or scum. Since they're defending each other.

UNVOTE:

Stressing teamwork in 85 and 97 is good. I'd like to know what his promised ISO (177) found about me. I think he twisted Kattaze's words a bit in 233, although the point made was valid. Didn't like the Kattaze vote. Not fully sold on him.

(was Fear the poster)
I really liked Fear's play until he had to leave (Hope everything's well!). Kattaze quick and informative reads 232 are much appreciated, and I like him pointing out his predecessor's flaws. This is the most likely town slot in the game.


Still would like more from him.

(I should say here that this is my first game here, I don't have a feel for when I should FoS, vote for pressure, etc. It's not really helpful crying newbie, I know, and I apologize for it, but it's the truth.)

Mr. Flay
I think analysis from Kattaze and others, as well as Flay's rather specific criticism of my congratulations of rmpeacoc, clouded my view on Flay. Right now he's about null-to-town to me, trending downward.


His most recent post 242 bought him up into null-town territory. Still not a lot of posts, though.


Like her analysis, although I'd like to know what about what I've said is "general scumminess" (post 222). Probably town.


I believe I went down the wrong road in trying to pressure rmpeacoc. I think she's quite comfortable at the moment, and right now. I'm comfortable in saying she's town.


Has calmed down quite a bit. Null with a tiny bit of scum, but when he posts again I think he'll continue towards, and past, null.

I'm eliminating rmpeacoc, pitoli, and Katt from scum contention right now. Flay's been towny enough for me to say he's not in my top two scum, so he's out, as is NQT despite his lack of posts, meaning my current scum top three is jon_h61, lortaku, and Xiao Long.

Although a Xiao lynch would provide a lot of information, he's not in my top two, so my current scum top two are jon_h61 and lortaku. I will
VOTE: jon_h61 due to his vote on what has been the towniest slot in the game and a general lack of substance IMO.

I'll be around when I get home, but I really don't like lortaku's last post. He makes it look like he town read me when at first he found my emotion to be scummy.

Oh look, activity =D

In post 233, jon_h61 wrote:

In post 232, Kattaze wrote:tl:dr: I think Mr. Flay is the most scummy player so far, and wouldn't be surprised if he and jon were in cahoots. I would be comfortable lynching Xiao because so much has been said about him and knowing his status would reveal a lot more about all of those comments.

You say Mr Flay is scummiest, and that we are in cahoots. But you'd rather lynch Xiao? You do realize there are only two scum, I'm sure. So lynching someone who you say is Town is awfully scummie IMO.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Kattaze

Terrible, terrible move here. You've been a bit inactive lately and this vote seems extremely reactionary. I had you as town before, but with this you're down to null-scum.

In post 239, Mr. Flay wrote: The recent posting has definitely been better, but I still think he was way too calm and antagonistic earlier, and the way he defended himself (or didn't) reeks of scum with a strong partner to me).

People keep saying I've changed my posting style, but I haven't tried to change it at all. I'm still posting from the same mind-set as I have been, but I've do have more information now to work with.
As far as scum with a strong partner, just to play devil's advocate, if I'm scum and playing like that, the only scum partner I would trust to be able to back me up with that sort of play would be you, or one of the SE's like Jon or Pitoli.

With that in mind,

EVERYBODY needs to at least post who their top two scum reads are in their next post

. We're running out of time for dithering, folks.

My top two? Notquitethere and Lortaku have become my top two. I'll explain further down the post.

In post 242, notquitethere wrote:

Xiao

In post 203, Xiao Long wrote:

In post 199, notquitethere wrote:

In post 126, Fear the poster wrote:I'm the only player who isn't content with this lynch so either I am scum with Xiao or Xiao is town.

Not true. I could very well believe you being scum and setting up a situation here where you can say 'I told you so!' after town is lynched-- a classic scum tactic.

Which would mean I'm town, yet you have your vote on me and still claim I'm the scummiest in the game.

I was pointing out that Fear's logic wasn't sound and was poor town-play. Right now I don't know for certain if anyone is scum-- merely your general surliness has led me to hold you as the highest candidate. You've got to understand that I'm not sitting my vote on you for convenience or an easy lynch: by your actions you have been the most uncooperative player-- either you're scum or the one town player we can most afford to mislynch. That said, I'd rather not mislynch you so if you can give me, through your actions, valid reason to think you more likely town, then I'll vote someone else.

So everything you have that you're using to say I'm scum has to do with my playstyle? Do you have nothing legitimately scummy on me? Also, your vote on my is a fucking RVS vote, you haven't even tried voting for someone else this entire match.

Xiao is the most suspicious. Why do you think his refusal to answer simple questions is acceptable?

Oh look, this argument again. Why don't you ISO me and look at all the questions I've refused to answer. Notice something? They're all your pointless hypotheticals. I've answered everyone else's questions that have been directed at me that were relevant to the game.

In my eyes, Xiao's complete and utter refusal to engage counts as a slip up.

Which means you're applying your homesite's mindset to this game which is already faulty because more than one person in this game have said your hypotheticals are fluff.

In post 243, lortaku wrote:Like I said earlier, I think that one of the people voting for Xiao are scum. Because rmp seemed genuine town for me from the heated exchange before, and Kattaze seems to be contributing as town, I'm gonna go with VOTE: Mr. Flay
His vote has been on Xiao for some time, even though Xiao doesn't seem like scum. Also, it would provide some information on jon_h61, whether he's town or scum. Since they're defending each other.

So why wouldn't you just vote Jon instead since his reactionary vote against Kattaze was scummier than anything Flay has done. Just seems like you're sheeping.

In post 244, JerryArr wrote:

lortaku

Still would like more from him.

Do you have anything else to say about him besides this?

notquitethere

His most recent post 242 bought him up into null-town territory. Still not a lot of posts, though.

What about it was town?





I think NQT is scummier than Lortaku, but it seems a Lortaku lynch is more likely.

Er, that was supposed to be:

In post 244, JerryArr wrote:

jon_h61

Stressing teamwork in 85 and 97 is good. I'd like to know what his promised ISO (177) found about me. I think he twisted Kattaze's words a bit in 233, although the point made was valid. Didn't like the Kattaze vote. Not fully sold on him.

Although a Xiao lynch would provide a lot of information, he's not in my top two, so my current scum top two are jon_h61 and lortaku. I will
VOTE: jon_h61 due to his vote on what has been the towniest slot in the game and a general lack of substance IMO.

Am I not supposed to draw attention to things I think are scummie? Sorry gonna do it anyway. Another thing I really don't like is this associative tell you and Kattaze seemed to have latched onto. Just because I flip Town is no reason to assume someone else's alignment. You two yelling defense is strange. Maybe later in the game (if you're Town) you can look back and see I'm pointing out bad logic. But that's up for everyone to decide individually.

In post 236, Kattaze wrote:I also would like to hear more from Jerry, do you have any thoughts about who we should lynch?

Jerry is the only person Kattaze asks their opinion of.

Also I note that Fear was voting Jerry before he unexpectedly left. Possible bussing?


Lortaku's 243 seems to parrot recent posts, and hasn't expressed anything original whatsoever.

In post 246, Xiao Long wrote:Terrible, terrible move here. You've been a bit inactive lately and this vote seems extremely reactionary. I had you as town before, but with this you're down to null-scum.

LOL, I blame this one on my wife, she wanted me to word it this way. She doesn't play Mafia AT ALL. But I'll go ahead and take the heat. It got reactions at least.

In post 241, rmpeacoc wrote:Pitoli I still want to see more content from you. I'm seeing a few lines in each post, not that much content.

You won't see me posting Walls of Text just to make you happy. And um, someone please explain why I'm getting singled out for content?

In post 248, jon_h61 wrote:

In post 246, Xiao Long wrote:Terrible, terrible move here. You've been a bit inactive lately and this vote seems extremely reactionary. I had you as town before, but with this you're down to null-scum.

LOL, I blame this one on my wife, she wanted me to word it this way. She doesn't play Mafia AT ALL. But I'll go ahead and take the heat. It got reactions at least.

You're technically not allowed to discuss an ongoing mafia game with anyone.

More reads coming later. Lots of family over right now and I can barely sit at my laptop for more than a few minutes at a time.