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In post 2247, Zachstralkita wrote:I hate you.

He's made like 4-5 posts since he came back and you just label him town. You give out townreads too easy.

meanwhile sickofit

In post 2243, Zachstralkita wrote:

Lapsa wrote:also - won't defend myself, won't answer any questions

will prod dodge and occasionally remind that titus is dumb

Yeah, and now you're intentionally being unhelpful. I don't see a reason to keep you here.

Can someone familiar with Lapsa tell me if he's normally like this?

He's not. That's why I asked him. He says Titus you're dumb every time.

In post 2247, Zachstralkita wrote:

In post 2246, Dunnstral wrote:OK Peregrine is probably town to be honest...

I hate you.

He's made like 4-5 posts since he came back and you just label him town. You give out townreads too easy.

It's PV.

Keeping it 100 Lapsa's town here as uncooperative as he's being.

Stay tuned for my case on Performer. (Dunn, fuck you you don't tell me who we're lynching)

Okay PeregrineV, can you elaborate further on that gutread on implosion? Because I found it interesting that so many people have a negative gut read about him while my gut says nothing. Both you and Nosferatu/Vedith expressed that gut read very early in the game.

Not lynching performer, that's for sure

Can anybody explain implosion? Zach????????????

RVS



Then this from you,

In post 119, Zachstralkita wrote:

Dunnstral wrote:VOTE: Almost50

I'll need a 3 paragraph case on this, complete with numbered list thanks

Seems to indicate that, from Almost50 posts (pre-Dunn) indicate to you as town.

Based on what he posted before you strongly implied he was town, why was he that strong a townread that you would need a three paragraph numbered list?

In post 2257, PeregrineV wrote:why was he that strong a townread that you would need a three paragraph numbered list?

Now Zach gets to experience how I've felt all game dealing with varsoon, wake88, and podoboq, on top of shannon

PeregrineV wrote:

@Zach-

RVS

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In post 9, Almost50 wrote:Great timing to start the game (6 am here!)

Anyway, just to say I'm here..

VOTE: Titus

She's drunk, yet she's voting "wake", so obviously has no intention to sober up soon

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In post 94, Almost50 wrote:

In post 13, shannon wrote:Hi!

I only recognise one name here, so VOTE: Almost 50

I like the dog <3

Hi, shannon. I seem to remember the name but not recall what game we played together before. Care to refresh my rusty memory?

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In post 95, Almost50 wrote:@Dunn:

You broke your own rule by voting TWO other people after your #8, so I think you should be voting yourself. Fair is fair, brother!

In post 96, Almost50 wrote:

In post 18, AGar wrote:I'm drunk.

VOTE: Wake88

Fuck that guy.

OK.. I get it. So it's a prerequisite to be DRUNK in order to vote WAKE. Right?

In post 97, Almost50 wrote:

In post 21, Dunnstral wrote:VOTE: Transcend

This is better

In post 22, Transcend wrote:same

In post 23, Dunnstral wrote:VOTE: Transcend

In post 24, Transcend wrote:same

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_KmNZNT5xw[/youtube]

P.S. How THE FREAK do you post a Youtube video directly??

In post 109, Almost50 wrote:

In post 40, Sickofit1138 wrote:VOTE: Trancend... Because lApsa only posted 11 smilies .... Then Trancend posted 12!!!!!

In post 41, Transcend wrote:VOTE: sickofitnumbers

for misspelling my username

First *Sick* attempt at distancing detected. (Pun intended)

In post 47, Performer wrote:Hi all , just checking in for now. I'm so glad I got on the replacement list for this large normal, as they consistently need replacements. Didn't expect to replace in so quickly though. Anyway.

@Lapsa dude. I was surprised that you were also a PR in that game where I was 2-shot Cop . I hope you learned very much from games , to improve your townplay!

VOTE: no lynch voting no lynch for now.

I see familiar faces in this game as well as new ones. I don't want to say anyone else's name, specifically for fear of painting targets on their backs. I do see we have at least two people who've been ICs before or currently are ICs?

You're gonna fry for this. Not only that, but you're gonna fry for this. ("Thompson & Thompson", aka "Dupond et Dupont" style)

In post 110, Almost50 wrote:

In post 67, Titus wrote:My vote on Wake is serious based on group dynamic.

I don't know podoq at all, but I first need you to obv!town for me to sheep you on people I don't know. I know you can be tricky yourself if you're scum, so excuse me for not following your lead just yet.

In post 111, Almost50 wrote:

In post 73, Zachstralkita wrote:So this game is Honey Bunches of Clusterfuck already.


VOTE: Varsoon

I don't know him personally, but he's definitely shifty.

I know him well, but only as a mod, and I wouldn't want to mess with him lest he hands me a lousy role in his next game.

P.S. For the new players: Varsoon's games are the ULTIMATE challenge. You'd always struggle to just understand how the mechanics work (and by the time you do -IF you do- it might be too late already!)

In post 113, Almost50 wrote:

In post 89, Sickofit1138 wrote:ummm town wouldnt type a post to stand out, that outs attention on them and away from hunting actual scum. ... so it sounds like you are insinuating that he is scum. i think it could be that you are scum pushing against an early mislynch.

SICK logic (again, pun intended). Although NAI, the logic is faulty bc scum wouldn't want to stand out so early either.

The thing is "sometimes" I would play like that if I was an insignificant townie (read: VT, but also note "sometimes"). I garb the spotlights for like half of the D1 so as to have SCUM hunting me down, and; although half the town would be too, the other half will be weighing their options and it's more likely than not that they will actually find a better lynch with well reasoning to vote for. This has the side-effect of blinding the scum from seeing PR crumbs and such, so -in effect- I would be protecting the town PRs in a way.

Now, why am I not doing this here? 2 reasons: 1- I don't feel like it (as in, I don't have the concentration and focus to do it ideally right now), and 2- because I haven't played with more than half of the player list, so it could very well backfire and I get mislynched 9which in it's own isn't a thing, except it would be a waste on D1).

Yaaay! My first rambling post of the day on the whole site. I guess the headache is wearing out.

In post 114, Almost50 wrote:

In post 91, Varsoon wrote:I HAVEN'T READ ANYTHING.
WHAT'S UP MY N-WORDS?
DON'T WORRY, I'M TOWN
I'VE GOT YOUR BACK.

OK.. I kind of forgot I played with you ONCE before. You were offed N1 though, but the caps reminded me of that game (Borderlands). Yup.. was too fast paced too, and I started playing pretty much towards the end of D1 so that one slipped my mind.

p.S. Am I grabbing enough attention yet??

In post 118, Almost50 wrote:

In post 98, Titus wrote:Use only the part after the = sign in the [youtube] boxes.

I've only watched the opening 13 sec. Those sum up what I wanted to say!

Then this from you,

In post 119, Zachstralkita wrote:

Dunnstral wrote:VOTE: Almost50

I'll need a 3 paragraph case on this, complete with numbered list thanks

Seems to indicate that, from Almost50 posts (pre-Dunn) indicate to you as town.

Based on what he posted before you strongly implied he was town, why was he that strong a townread that you would need a three paragraph numbered list?

Lmfao I asked for a three paragraph numbered list because Dunnstral can't case someone to save his fucking life

@Lapsawagon lapsa is fucking town, u heard it here last


anyways.

In post 1018, implosion wrote:Well I'm sorry you feel that way.

I wrote:This leaves a pool of (in no particular order) {wake, agar, mirhawk, boem, peregrine, airick, varsoon}.

I think from this pool boem is town (I agree with whoever called 959 town, and some of his other recent posting pings town as well, e.g. 964, 966).

Airick is null, Wake is impossible to read.

Varsoon eh. Don't feel strongly about him yet. But I think I'll be able to get a read on him from a bit more posting.

I can see peregrine scum, although I don't have any particularly strong reasons atm beyond gut. I've explained why I think AGar is scum for the wallpost. I found Mirhawk's early posts scummy and still do on reread but need to look at his other stuff more since he's actually been active.

VOTE: PeregrineV

ooh, I had to just include this here.

VOTE: implosion

implosion expresses his disdain for voting a V/LA player earlier, then proceeds to vote a lurker who had not made any recent posts..

His vote has not moved from here.

In post 2051, implosion wrote:

In post 2047, Boem_u_dusi wrote:Implosion, why do you think Nosferatu and PeregrineV expressed their negative gut read on you (bad vibes) early on?

Nos, probably because he actually had gut vibes from me. Even if he's scum, it was probably him trying to emulate something he'd have said as town and not anything deeper than that.

Peregrine, also possibly that, or possibly just trying to sow the seeds of a future push as scum potentially.

Transcend wrote:So implosion who is a better lynch than Titus and yourself?

I'm having some trouble finding people that I'm actually enthusiastic about lynching. I'd still be happy with AGar pressure but there seems to be a lot of AGar-town sentiment flying around the room. The other scumread I currently have is Mirhawk but I do need to re-evaluate it and I've been a bit lazy about isoing him. I'd honestly also be satisfied with a lurker lynch (peregrine) because I have a lot of townreads and I'm not a fan of his posting so far in particular. Airick also maybe but it seems like we're about to get content from him possibly.

implosion has a hard time finding active players to lynch because he has to essentially make up scumreads on them.

the rest of his scumreads (AGar, Mirhawk) he's very wishy-washy on them and not really ready to commit to anything at all. Take AGar for instance.

" There seems to be a lot of AGar-town sentiment flying around the room "

Name someone besides me doing that? Also, why should it matter if your scumread is townread by people? Titus and Dunnstral have no problems doing that.


" Airick also maybe " this is bullshit, he's posted almost nothing that could be considered alignment indicative. What I gathered is implosion doesn't want to lynch active players, he does AND doesn't want to lynch the lurkers, but anyone but himself is fair game.

In post 2254, Boem_u_dusi wrote:Okay PeregrineV, can you elaborate further on that gutread on implosion? Because I found it interesting that so many people have a negative gut read about him while my gut says nothing. Both you and Nosferatu/Vedith expressed that gut read very early in the game.

Trying to assign early reads based only on RVS.
Toenreading Almost50 for no content.
Injecting into the Titus-Wake back and forth.

That was first 8 pages.

Also, so there's no confusion, not really for a implosion lynch on day1.

Sorry, I disagree heavily. The fact that Nosferatuslot/Vedith townread implosion makes my belief even stronger.


In a sentence, I don't really believe implosion is scumhunting.

I'm calling Lapsatown right now, if Dunn and Titus want to contribute to something they can..

In post 2259, Zachstralkita wrote:

PeregrineV wrote:

@Zach-

RVS

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In post 9, Almost50 wrote:Great timing to start the game (6 am here!)

Anyway, just to say I'm here..

VOTE: Titus

She's drunk, yet she's voting "wake", so obviously has no intention to sober up soon

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In post 94, Almost50 wrote:

In post 13, shannon wrote:Hi!

I only recognise one name here, so VOTE: Almost 50

I like the dog <3

Hi, shannon. I seem to remember the name but not recall what game we played together before. Care to refresh my rusty memory?

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In post 95, Almost50 wrote:@Dunn:

You broke your own rule by voting TWO other people after your #8, so I think you should be voting yourself. Fair is fair, brother!

In post 96, Almost50 wrote:

In post 18, AGar wrote:I'm drunk.

VOTE: Wake88

Fuck that guy.

OK.. I get it. So it's a prerequisite to be DRUNK in order to vote WAKE. Right?

In post 97, Almost50 wrote:

In post 21, Dunnstral wrote:VOTE: Transcend

This is better

In post 22, Transcend wrote:same

In post 23, Dunnstral wrote:VOTE: Transcend

In post 24, Transcend wrote:same

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_KmNZNT5xw[/youtube]

P.S. How THE FREAK do you post a Youtube video directly??

In post 109, Almost50 wrote:

In post 40, Sickofit1138 wrote:VOTE: Trancend... Because lApsa only posted 11 smilies .... Then Trancend posted 12!!!!!

In post 41, Transcend wrote:VOTE: sickofitnumbers

for misspelling my username

First *Sick* attempt at distancing detected. (Pun intended)

In post 47, Performer wrote:Hi all , just checking in for now. I'm so glad I got on the replacement list for this large normal, as they consistently need replacements. Didn't expect to replace in so quickly though. Anyway.

@Lapsa dude. I was surprised that you were also a PR in that game where I was 2-shot Cop . I hope you learned very much from games , to improve your townplay!

VOTE: no lynch voting no lynch for now.

I see familiar faces in this game as well as new ones. I don't want to say anyone else's name, specifically for fear of painting targets on their backs. I do see we have at least two people who've been ICs before or currently are ICs?

You're gonna fry for this. Not only that, but you're gonna fry for this. ("Thompson & Thompson", aka "Dupond et Dupont" style)

In post 110, Almost50 wrote:

In post 67, Titus wrote:My vote on Wake is serious based on group dynamic.

I don't know podoq at all, but I first need you to obv!town for me to sheep you on people I don't know. I know you can be tricky yourself if you're scum, so excuse me for not following your lead just yet.

In post 111, Almost50 wrote:

In post 73, Zachstralkita wrote:So this game is Honey Bunches of Clusterfuck already.


VOTE: Varsoon

I don't know him personally, but he's definitely shifty.

I know him well, but only as a mod, and I wouldn't want to mess with him lest he hands me a lousy role in his next game.

P.S. For the new players: Varsoon's games are the ULTIMATE challenge. You'd always struggle to just understand how the mechanics work (and by the time you do -IF you do- it might be too late already!)

In post 113, Almost50 wrote:

In post 89, Sickofit1138 wrote:ummm town wouldnt type a post to stand out, that outs attention on them and away from hunting actual scum. ... so it sounds like you are insinuating that he is scum. i think it could be that you are scum pushing against an early mislynch.

SICK logic (again, pun intended). Although NAI, the logic is faulty bc scum wouldn't want to stand out so early either.

The thing is "sometimes" I would play like that if I was an insignificant townie (read: VT, but also note "sometimes"). I garb the spotlights for like half of the D1 so as to have SCUM hunting me down, and; although half the town would be too, the other half will be weighing their options and it's more likely than not that they will actually find a better lynch with well reasoning to vote for. This has the side-effect of blinding the scum from seeing PR crumbs and such, so -in effect- I would be protecting the town PRs in a way.

Now, why am I not doing this here? 2 reasons: 1- I don't feel like it (as in, I don't have the concentration and focus to do it ideally right now), and 2- because I haven't played with more than half of the player list, so it could very well backfire and I get mislynched 9which in it's own isn't a thing, except it would be a waste on D1).

Yaaay! My first rambling post of the day on the whole site. I guess the headache is wearing out.

In post 114, Almost50 wrote:

In post 91, Varsoon wrote:I HAVEN'T READ ANYTHING.
WHAT'S UP MY N-WORDS?
DON'T WORRY, I'M TOWN
I'VE GOT YOUR BACK.

OK.. I kind of forgot I played with you ONCE before. You were offed N1 though, but the caps reminded me of that game (Borderlands). Yup.. was too fast paced too, and I started playing pretty much towards the end of D1 so that one slipped my mind.

p.S. Am I grabbing enough attention yet??

In post 118, Almost50 wrote:

In post 98, Titus wrote:Use only the part after the = sign in the [youtube] boxes.

I've only watched the opening 13 sec. Those sum up what I wanted to say!

Then this from you,

In post 119, Zachstralkita wrote:

Dunnstral wrote:VOTE: Almost50

I'll need a 3 paragraph case on this, complete with numbered list thanks

Seems to indicate that, from Almost50 posts (pre-Dunn) indicate to you as town.

Based on what he posted before you strongly implied he was town, why was he that strong a townread that you would need a three paragraph numbered list?

Lmfao I asked for a three paragraph numbered list because Dunnstral can't case someone to save his fucking life

lol..that makes more sense.

In post 2259, Zachstralkita wrote:@Lapsawagon lapsa is fucking town, u heard it here last


anyways.

In post 1018, implosion wrote:Well I'm sorry you feel that way.

I wrote:This leaves a pool of (in no particular order) {wake, agar, mirhawk, boem, peregrine, airick, varsoon}.

I think from this pool boem is town (I agree with whoever called 959 town, and some of his other recent posting pings town as well, e.g. 964, 966).

Airick is null, Wake is impossible to read.

Varsoon eh. Don't feel strongly about him yet. But I think I'll be able to get a read on him from a bit more posting.

I can see peregrine scum, although I don't have any particularly strong reasons atm beyond gut. I've explained why I think AGar is scum for the wallpost. I found Mirhawk's early posts scummy and still do on reread but need to look at his other stuff more since he's actually been active.

VOTE: PeregrineV

ooh, I had to just include this here.

VOTE: implosion

implosion expresses his disdain for voting a V/LA player earlier, then proceeds to vote a lurker who had not made any recent posts..

His vote has not moved from here.

In post 2051, implosion wrote:

In post 2047, Boem_u_dusi wrote:Implosion, why do you think Nosferatu and PeregrineV expressed their negative gut read on you (bad vibes) early on?

Nos, probably because he actually had gut vibes from me. Even if he's scum, it was probably him trying to emulate something he'd have said as town and not anything deeper than that.

Peregrine, also possibly that, or possibly just trying to sow the seeds of a future push as scum potentially.

Transcend wrote:So implosion who is a better lynch than Titus and yourself?

I'm having some trouble finding people that I'm actually enthusiastic about lynching. I'd still be happy with AGar pressure but there seems to be a lot of AGar-town sentiment flying around the room. The other scumread I currently have is Mirhawk but I do need to re-evaluate it and I've been a bit lazy about isoing him. I'd honestly also be satisfied with a lurker lynch (peregrine) because I have a lot of townreads and I'm not a fan of his posting so far in particular. Airick also maybe but it seems like we're about to get content from him possibly.

implosion has a hard time finding active players to lynch because he has to essentially make up scumreads on them.

the rest of his scumreads (AGar, Mirhawk) he's very wishy-washy on them and not really ready to commit to anything at all. Take AGar for instance.

" There seems to be a lot of AGar-town sentiment flying around the room "

Name someone besides me doing that? Also, why should it matter if your scumread is townread by people? Titus and Dunnstral have no problems doing that.


" Airick also maybe " this is bullshit, he's posted almost nothing that could be considered alignment indicative. What I gathered is implosion doesn't want to lynch active players, he does AND doesn't want to lynch the lurkers, but anyone but himself is fair game.

Bolded is good point.
But, would almost want to lynch Airlick first.

*sigh*
Will iso implosion later. But, he is not generally a lynch choice for me on day1.

But, still does not change my opinion about Almost either.

The very fact that implosion voting Peregrine isn't pinging him speaks volumes.

PeregrineV wrote: Bolded is good point.
But, would almost want to lynch Airlick first.

*sigh*
Will iso implosion later. But, he is not generally a lynch choice for me on day1.

I'm not sure how I feel about " generally "

Games are a case-by-case basis, no?


I'm almost inclined to link one of you or Vedith to implosion.

All of implosion's reads are town or " eh..." and his only scum are in (or what once was) the lurker group.

Mirhawk is the closest thing to an active player that falls into his scumreads.

I don't care who we lynch

As long as it's not:

Me
Titus
Zach
Varsoon
Wake
Podoboq
PeregrineV
Boem_u_desi
Transcend

And to a lesser degree not:

AGar
Performer
Mirhawk

Dunnstral wrote:I don't care who we lynch

As long as it's not:

Me
Titus
Zach
Varsoon
Wake
Podoboq
PeregrineV
Boem_u_desi
Transcend

And to a lesser degree not:

AGar
Performer
Mirhawk

Dunnstral wrote:I don't care who we lynch

As long as it's not:

Me
Titus
Zach
Varsoon
Wake
Podoboq
PeregrineV
Boem_u_desi
Transcend

And to a lesser degree not:

AGar
Performer
Mirhawk

Let Lapsa go. Vote implosion.

Zach wrote:implosion expresses his disdain for voting a V/LA player earlier, then proceeds to vote a lurker who had not made any recent posts..

There's a very important difference; a lurker can potentially be pressured into posting, while a V/LA player cannot. Or they might happen to post in which case you can see their reaction to the vote.

Zach wrote:His vote has not moved from here.

Which I have justified.

Zach wrote:implosion has a hard time finding active players to lynch because he has to essentially make up scumreads on them.

This is just insulting.
I'm an experienced player on this site. I'm not going to have trouble as scum making up scumreads on people. It's not hard. As town, however, I don't get to pick and choose what my reads are on each player.

Zach wrote:the rest of his scumreads (AGar, Mirhawk) he's very wishy-washy on them and not really ready to commit to anything at all. Take AGar for instance.

This is because they are weak scumreads; they're just the scummiest players in the game, which makes those reads strong relative to the rest of the player list.

Zach wrote:Name someone besides me doing that? Also, why should it matter if your scumread is townread by people? Titus and Dunnstral have no problems doing that.

Wake.
It means a few things. It makes me question my read on him (because, unlike all of you fuckers, i don't think my reads are better than everyone else's and I actually at least somewhat agree with some of the points in favor of agartown like his handling of the masons).

Zach wrote:" Airick also maybe " this is bullshit, he's posted almost nothing that could be considered alignment indicative.

Imagine I have a number for each player, and when someone does something townish that number goes down and when they do something scummy it goes up. Airick's number is 0, but that's still the fourth-highest number in the game, which is pretty solid as far as I'm concerned. Again. I have a lot of townreads. If you look at almost any of my towngames you will find that I have a much easier time obtaining townreads than scumreads. Almost every game.

Nice random appearance.

Do Peregrine's posts now still warrant his vote?

"random"
no fucking shit i'm going to respond if you make a case on me. I'm keeping up with the thread pretty consistently. There's just not always anything that warrants posting. Y'know, because I've posted a lot and want to let others post some more? You don't seem to understand that about this game :/.

And yes, they do. There's nothing town in them. Him calling himself blatant town in his reads list is disingenuous because if he's town he should know he's not obvious (although that's a minor point). The lack of willingness to lynch me is also strange (if I'm one of his scumreads and he's felt like my tone was off early I really don't know why he wouldn't want to). That lack of willingness changing to willingness (specifically him begrudgingly saying he'd iso me) is also somewhat strange/potentially scummy depending on his justification for why he didn't want to lynch me.

I haven't played with peregrine probably in 5 years so I don't remember his play well, but there is really nothing in there that makes me want to unvote him. And again, I play the game mostly by finding townreads.

I am starting to come around on Vedith.

I actually haven't really been paying attention to Vedith's posts. My early reason for townreading sickofit decayed over time but his tone in his most recent post sounds really genuine.

Looking at Vedith's ISO I think I'm willing to lynch the slot. Nos was one of my weakest townreads and his take on the Titus thing feels kind of like he wants to policy lynch her for the fakeclaim without calling it a policy lynch. It feels like he might be scum who feels like scum is entitled to the mislynch after Titus misplayed. "Claiming mason when you are not mason is scum to me" in 2142 is a very 1-dimensional view of the game.

In post 2270, implosion wrote:"random"
no fucking shit i'm going to respond if you make a case on me. I'm keeping up with the thread pretty consistently. There's just not always anything that warrants posting. Y'know, because I've posted a lot and want to let others post some more? You don't seem to understand that about this game :/.

Except now I'm posting because I'm casing someone thus finding scum thus helping win the game, I'm not just loitering. I owe some real progress to make up for the 40+ pages of mason shit.

implosion wrote:
And yes, they do. There's nothing town in them. Him calling himself blatant town in his reads list is disingenuous because if he's town he should know he's not obvious (although that's a minor point).

Yes. That is a minor point. When I find out who else in this game did that and you didn't vote them for it, I'll be sure to let you know.


So you play the game by finding townreads, but it follows that players that post more have more to pick at, and you can find what's not town in their statements. Not easy, but it should be doable. Yet you have no scumreads in majorly active players aside from Mirhawk. And even now, you're voting Peregrine.

Yes. That is a minor point. When I find out who else in this game did that and you didn't vote them for it, I'll be sure to let you know.

The point is that he's done nothing that I can imagine he would think would be perceived as obvious town; other people doing it would be reasonable (I wouldn't fault you for it, for instance).

Zach wrote: So you play the game by finding townreads, but it follows that players that post more have more to pick at, and you can find what's not town in their statements. Not easy, but it should be doable. Yet you have no scumreads in majorly active players aside from Mirhawk. And even now, you're voting Peregrine.

And?
I think a lot of the scum in this game are in the lurkers.
Some of my townreads are probably scum as well (it's not like I expect my reads to be perfect) but I don't see why this is so complicated.