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Post Post #2300 (ISO) » Tue Nov 25, 2014 8:20 pm

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Home now. Finally can:

Vote: Who

Vote: Who


Was planning on using my last ability on SM tomorrow and removing a vote from either Gaiden / TSO - depending on a re-read.
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Post Post #2301 (ISO) » Tue Nov 25, 2014 8:22 pm

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I leave it to the others to opinionate+vote. i dont have one
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Post Post #2302 (ISO) » Tue Nov 25, 2014 8:26 pm

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if we end up voting who and he flips town, you're next, so you better hope you're 100% sure he's scum.
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Post Post #2303 (ISO) » Tue Nov 25, 2014 8:27 pm

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Feirei wrote:if we end up voting who and he flips town, you're next, so you better hope you're 100% sure he's scum.


Completely fine with that; he won't.
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Post Post #2304 (ISO) » Tue Nov 25, 2014 8:28 pm

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That's a town response.

Nothing further.
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Post Post #2305 (ISO) » Tue Nov 25, 2014 8:31 pm

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unvote


Probablu still gonna revotr regfan,mbut i want to make sense of his jumble of posts first.
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Post Post #2306 (ISO) » Tue Nov 25, 2014 8:33 pm

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Klazam, I'll summarise it for you now that I'm at a computer;

SM is confirmed town. If Who is town then Gaiden / TSO are as well.

That means if Who is town mafia has to be 2 of [You/Me/MME]

If you're town (P sure you are and it's universally agreed upon too) that means if Who is town the scum have to be MME + Me.

If MME + Me are scum one of us has to be blue-scum, it's rather obvious neither of us are blue-scum therefore Who has to be scum.
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Post Post #2307 (ISO) » Tue Nov 25, 2014 8:49 pm

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That seems to be logicial, but as tso showed me earlier, i am a bit too flexible in whats logicial, so im gonna take the night, and probably most of the day to think about it.
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Post Post #2308 (ISO) » Tue Nov 25, 2014 9:36 pm

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Nah.

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Post Post #2309 (ISO) » Tue Nov 25, 2014 9:38 pm

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This whole set-up is way too fucking convenient. I agree it's entirely possible Who is scum. I don't think MME needed to clear us.
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Post Post #2310 (ISO) » Tue Nov 25, 2014 9:40 pm

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But, I mean, we've got time. It would be great if Who would post more.

Why are people calling Who conftown again?
"i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"
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Post Post #2311 (ISO) » Tue Nov 25, 2014 9:40 pm

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@TSO 1) You already had your vote on me and 2) What do you mean "too convenient", the fuck are you referring to? I had zero part in how anything transpired.
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Post Post #2312 (ISO) » Tue Nov 25, 2014 9:41 pm

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Also, yeah, Klazam could also be blue scum, because red had a JK + either Cop/RB/Doublevoter, and Shared Ascetic is somewhat shit.
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Post Post #2313 (ISO) » Tue Nov 25, 2014 9:42 pm

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Your whole role is too convenient and it's just not town in its purpose.

But I'm not sure we'll lynch you anyway today so meh.
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Post Post #2314 (ISO) » Tue Nov 25, 2014 9:44 pm

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Again what do mean by my role is 'convenient'? And my role has a few uses a) Garnering me more sway in terms of lynches ie. Town controls more votes in play, b) Ability to ensure that a town-read / town player gets sole control over a lynch as well as increasing the speed of the lynch to assist against the timer issue and c) Helping potentially get out of bad end-game situations where scum might have already won via removing their votes and handing it to a conftown player.
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Post Post #2315 (ISO) » Tue Nov 25, 2014 9:45 pm

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Also you didn't answer my other question; why did you remove Who from your lynchpool yesterday?
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Post Post #2316 (ISO) » Tue Nov 25, 2014 10:03 pm

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Unvote.



I'm typing stuff and I don't want the lynch to happen before I posted it.
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Post Post #2317 (ISO) » Tue Nov 25, 2014 10:07 pm

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Unvote regfan, now.

We vote in the blue suspects pool today.
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Post Post #2318 (ISO) » Tue Nov 25, 2014 10:08 pm

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Having slept on it, let's look at it objectively:

Code: Select all

                red     blue
regfan          x               push on f16  -> not blue
klazam                  x       kill on nati -> not red
mymilkedeek     x               push on f16  -> not blue
who                     x       two roleblockers in one team? -> not red
gaiden          x       x       if who is scum scrap the appropriate column
tso             x       x       if who is scum scrap the appropriate column
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1) Assuming we lynch who

1)A) He flips town, which means tso & gaiden are conftown:

Code: Select all

D5
                red     blue
regfan          x
klazam                  x
mymilkedeek     x
conftown
conftown


This means we lynch klazam to end up with regfan-mme-(one of gaiden-tso-sm).

1)B) He flips red scum, regfan-mme become practically conftown

Code: Select all

D5
                red     blue
klazam                  x
gaiden                  x
tso                     x
conftown
conftown


Giving us two days to find scum in klaz-gaiden-tso.

1)C) He flips blue scum, klaz becomes practically conftown

Code: Select all

D5
                red     blue
regfan          x
mymilkedeek     x
gaiden          x
tso             x
conftown


Giving us two days to find scum in 4 people. Giving us the worst LyLo situation where 3 from regfan-mme-gaiden-tso make it to 3pLyLo.


Personally, I think he's going to flip blue scum, purely for the fact that I don't think klaz is blue.
I'm pretty sure he's not going to flip red, which is sad because it's a better lylo situation.


Wild random thought:
lynching klaz:


Why? To work with the logic table above. Lynching in the possible blue suspects will give us more confirmed townies than lynching in red suspects.

2)A) he flips town:

who is confirmed as blue scum

Code: Select all

D5
                red     blue
regfan          x
mymilkedeek     x
who                     x
gaiden          x       x
tso             x       x


D6 is lylo between 3 from regfan-mme-gaiden-tso

2)B) he flips red scum:

ehh wat?

regfan-mme become practically conftown

Code: Select all

                red     blue
who                     x
gaiden          x       x
tso             x       x
conftown
conftown


who is confirmed blue scum

sure win.


2)C) he flips blue scum:

who is conftown, as are gaiden, tso

Code: Select all

                red     blue
regfan          x
mymilkedeek     x
conftown
conftown
conftown


Sure win.


Subjectively: lynching klaz gives us the better overall outcome. 2 scenarios lead to a sure win and one to a lylo that could happen in who's scenarios (blue who).

This is really counterintuitive, because of my townread on klazam, but lynching him gives us a better shot at winning.


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Post Post #2319 (ISO) » Tue Nov 25, 2014 10:13 pm

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My Milked Eek wrote:Subjectively: lynching klaz gives us the better overall outcome. 2 scenarios lead to a sure win and one to a lylo that could happen in who's scenarios (blue who). This is really counterintuitive, because of my townread on klazam, but lynching him gives us a better shot at winning.


Not for it. Don't see Klazam as scum and not interested in mslynching here + think your scenario ignores several situations that might occur if either of the scum left have an ability up their sleeves like double-kill or governor ability (Which would fit in twilight type games). Better of just lynching surefire scum; Who.
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Post Post #2320 (ISO) » Tue Nov 25, 2014 10:14 pm

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Also a Who blue flip (Which is what he'd most likely fit as) would p much clear Klazam anyway making a Klazam lynch silly.
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Post Post #2321 (ISO) » Tue Nov 25, 2014 10:33 pm

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Well then, we're burning daylight.

Vote: who
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Post Post #2322 (ISO) » Tue Nov 25, 2014 10:39 pm

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thats what i thought was going to happen.

Will not advocate/support a klazam lynch if Who flips Blue.

Preferred lynching order if Who flips Blue is Gaiden, then Who. Regfan is near conftown because his last few posts have literally comes from a town mindset.

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Post Post #2323 (ISO) » Tue Nov 25, 2014 10:39 pm

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ebwop gaiden then tso

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Post Post #2324 (ISO) » Tue Nov 25, 2014 10:46 pm

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I'm leaning TSO > Gaiden if Who flips blue - TSO pulling Who out of the lynch pool yesterday / not explaining it when asked has a lot of scum motivation towards it, TSO!Scum would know that Who is the other scum-team given the fake innocent on himself and I can see him wanting to use that as reasoning for not being lynched + I think at this point in the game the scum would have to somewhat work together to get themselves to the end game and his slide onto me today while again ignoring Who fits that. There's also the fact that I find his reasoning of "your role is too convenient" as reasoning for voting me to not make a smidge of sense given my role has been something that's been known for the entirety of the game making the timing for it making me scum now as opposed to before nonsensical.
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