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Posted: **Thu May 23, 2013 1:21 pm**

In post 2449, VisceraEyes wrote:It might have been the way you phrased it. It just sounded like you don't care anymore and want it to be over...which is the attitude scum want you to have and an attitude I have come to not expect from you over the course of the game.

I hate endgame. We're not even close, but thinking about 2 more mislynches dismays me. I want to get this right today.

Posted: **Thu May 23, 2013 1:44 pm**

Prod-dodge... Im bloody pissed and unable to think straight

Posted: **Thu May 23, 2013 1:56 pm**

In post 2449, VisceraEyes wrote:It might have been the way you phrased it. It just sounded like you don't care anymore and want it to be over...which is the attitude scum want you to have and an attitude I have come to not expect from you over the course of the game.

Look at mac's last few posts. Is there something off about them? Like he's being manipulative? I can't explain what I mean better than that. But there's a weird vibe. It could just be a town-thinks-he's-talking-to-scum thing going on with his interactions with GM, but I'm not sure.

Also, it kind of freaks me to have such an un-footnoted town read from him.

Posted: **Thu May 23, 2013 2:04 pm**

GOD I GOT THAT SAME FEELING :/

Let me see if I can pinpoint it.

Posted: **Thu May 23, 2013 2:08 pm**

Maybe it's because he's agreeing with me and I'm not used to that (considering everything else of mine he's taken out of context to construe into something scummy) but he's done so twice in rapid succession.

Posted: **Thu May 23, 2013 2:08 pm**

In post 2406, VisceraEyes wrote:Psychologically speaking, GM doesn't appear as suspicious of Mac as she should be. Like, presuming she's a real JK, after a no-kill would you NOT be INSTANTLY and almost IRREVOCABLY suspicious of your JK target? Like, sure there are other possibilities, but if you're the JK would you not immediately think that the simplest and most logical conclusion is that your target is scum? Especially considering by her own admission she doesn't think that it's likely Mac would have been targeted by a NK.

In post 2408, Mac wrote:
In post 2406, VisceraEyes wrote:Psychologically speaking, GM doesn't appear as suspicious of Mac as she should be. Like, presuming she's a real JK, after a no-kill would you NOT be INSTANTLY and almost IRREVOCABLY suspicious of your JK target? Like, sure there are other possibilities, but if you're the JK would you not immediately think that the simplest and most logical conclusion is that your target is scum? Especially considering by her own admission she doesn't think that it's likely Mac would have been targeted by a NK.
I agree with this as well. When playing as a PR I like to see if I can trip up the scum or trap them in a corner. Maybe that's personal playstyle though. Still, there's just something not right about the claim.

VOTE: goodmorning

In post 2417, Mac wrote:We seem to have hit a wall. My two cents is that I think GM is scum fakeclaiming because of how she doesn't actually state she thinks it's me
until she absolutely has too.
<--- this comes from a mix of her picking up votes and being told to take a stance by Ine. She could've came into day three saying she jailkept me & how I was the likely scum and voted me there and then. Let's be honest: if you jailkeep your top suspect and there's no kill, you are going to think it's them. Instead, she barely mentions me until she is told to take a side and as she's picking up votes, she decides it's me or Z.

GM keeps involving WIFOM (oh if I was fakeclaiming I would definitely kill VE) which sounds ridiculous because that's probably what scum would say if they NK'd or targetted fery. Kinda sounds like she possibly did go for fery and realises her error. Maybe she banked on VE protecting her? Plus the fact Z has been trying his best to lynch VE for some godawful reason. It stands that VE would be left alive by scumGM to not narrow down the possibility of people finding out her fakeclaim. With VE alive, there is still the added element of "ohhh, he
could
still be fake-claiming."

I hope this makes sense. These are my thoughts at the moment on why I think we should lynch GM.

Posted: **Thu May 23, 2013 2:12 pm**

Go back to before my meta-breadcrumb post and read a page or two of his posts there. And then his posts from after I made that post. Tell me what you see.

Posted: **Thu May 23, 2013 2:16 pm**

I mean, aside from there being no indication that he actually read and thought about the implications at all, I'm not sure what I'm SUPPOSED to be seeing. Contrast his response to it (calling it interesting twice in two posts) with my own (showing working knowledge of having read the post, QT and filter in question)...that's what

I

see.

Posted: **Thu May 23, 2013 2:21 pm**

It's a tone thing. I'm reading a sort of resignation in his earlier posts that's not there now.

Posted: **Thu May 23, 2013 2:22 pm**

Oh BEFORE your crumb post...let me look again.

Posted: **Thu May 23, 2013 2:26 pm**

I mean, I attributed that to having just come back - I'm not seeing what you're seeing in that regard. I mean, we three (you me and Inef) were in here discussing the implications, and 2 out of 3 of us had pretty much decided that Mac was the best lynch. I mean, town or scum, would you not feel resigned in that situation?

Posted: **Thu May 23, 2013 2:33 pm**

In post 2460, VisceraEyes wrote:I mean, I attributed that to having just come back - I'm not seeing what you're seeing in that regard. I mean, we three (you me and Inef) were in here discussing the implications, and 2 out of 3 of us had pretty much decided that Mac was the best lynch. I mean, town or scum, would you not feel resigned in that situation?

I'd feel resigned but I'd be making as much as I could of the day as town.

Posted: **Thu May 23, 2013 2:37 pm**

Yeah well you and me both sister but who knows with these other cats.

Are you still pretty firmly town on Inef?

Posted: **Thu May 23, 2013 2:41 pm**

yeah.

Posted: **Thu May 23, 2013 2:53 pm**

Look, we lynch Mac today and if there's a tomorrow you can lynch me then. I swear I won't try to get out of it, you can quote this post at me ad nauseum if I do.

Posted: **Thu May 23, 2013 2:55 pm**

Actually if there's a Night and a successful kill optimal play would technically be to no-lynch, but yes, please lynch me tomorrow if there's a tomorrow and no kill.

Posted: **Thu May 23, 2013 11:47 pm**

Resisting the urge to replace out and stop playing on mafiascum....

As i said earlier, mac is the best objective pov lynch... Since i cant think straight rn ill stick with that

VOTE: mac

I think thats L-1

Posted: **Thu May 23, 2013 11:53 pm**

GM if you and mac are both town and you want to save your ass from a lynch tomorrow i suggest jailing VE to get a nokill... i cant fathom z7 witholding a kill or targeting ffer. The only way he is maf is if he forgot to send in a night action as VE suggested

Posted: **Fri May 24, 2013 12:05 am**

this is disappointing, to say the least. I legitmately think gm is the scum here and I'm being accused of

manipulative

? play. I don't get it.

Posted: **Fri May 24, 2013 2:05 am**

In post 2468, Mac wrote:this is disappointing, to say the least. I legitmately think gm is the scum here and I'm being accused of
manipulative
? play. I don't get it.

This sucks to explain because it's about tone, not specifics.

I feel like you are cheerleading the lines of thought that lead to not lynching you today more than you're developing your own case for GM being scum. And you're townreading everyone else afaict. The outbreak of paranoia over/between VE and Eff didn't provoke so much as a blink. If I were scum and knew that was all town on town, I think I would have kept my oar out of it, to see if town went anywhere useful to me with it.

Posted: **Fri May 24, 2013 2:19 am**

In post 2469, fferyllt wrote:
In post 2468, Mac wrote:this is disappointing, to say the least. I legitmately think gm is the scum here and I'm being accused of
manipulative
? play. I don't get it.
This sucks to explain because it's about tone, not specifics.

I feel like you are cheerleading the lines of thought that lead to not lynching you today more than you're developing your own case for GM being scum. And you're townreading everyone else afaict. The outbreak of paranoia over/between VE and Eff didn't provoke so much as a blink. If I were scum and knew that was all town on town, I think I would have kept my oar out of it, to see if town went anywhere useful to me with it.

This is not true.

I continue to develop my case on GM as she posts cos she is not helping herself if she is town. I'm not townreading everyone else either: I'm townreading you and believing VE's claim. At a stretch, I'd say Z was town but he continues to demolish this read with every post.

I don't care about the paranoia, because I think GM is scum. If it comes to it, we can cross that bridge we come to it. But if you start letting paranoia take over, that's when you will lose and start lynching town. Keep focused, and cross that path when it arises.

Posted: **Fri May 24, 2013 2:25 am**

Then you are ignoring Eff from what I can tell.

Posted: **Fri May 24, 2013 2:29 am**

Nope, I'm not. I'm focused on getting my top scumread lynched.

Posted: **Fri May 24, 2013 2:41 am**

To expand; I have contributed a case towards why GM is scum fakeclaiming here. I am pushing the case. ff, you have admitted they are some good points.

What GM is doing is playing a get out of jail free card to speak. "we have to lynch him now" even though one could easily assume scum went for ffery and missed if she was jailkeeper. She discredits my case by saying there are no good points in it, and even tries to sprinkle seeds of doubt over VE by saying his claim is sketchy (hint: it's not)

[quote="In post 2426, goodmorning"]I still think it's you, but as both Z and Ine have mentioned wanting to lynch a PR claim I thought I might mention that VE's claim is way more sketch than mine./quote]

that reads to me like she doesn't have anything else to push me with, and instead turns to those possibly suspecting a fakeclaim.

Posted: **Fri May 24, 2013 2:42 am**

I haaaate when quotefails happen

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