maybe it's not uglyduck though, if i'm wrong on one i think it'd be him
You were scumreading me too!! Second game you're wrong about me, now you have to tell me that wonderful metaread you have on me! It's a siterule, I read it somewhere
i didn't actually apply it this game because i replaced in
if i had applied it it would've actually pointed to you being town though i think? i guess i should've trusted it.
Posted: Sat May 05, 2018 7:18 pm
by skitter30
In post 2449, Mathdino wrote:hey skitz why not track draynth if you were hunting for PRs?
I thought about that and in restrospect I should've, but I thought he was a PR that self-resolve over night:
-> vig would have resulted in another death that he would claim (and if he was lying about claiming it he'd be dead tonight)
-> cop would just have announced their result today
-> jk would have resulted in him likely being dead.
The tw death really threw me for a loop and wasn't really compatible with what I thought would happen overnight if he was a pr.
I think I have tendency to overthink things a bit ...
Posted: Sat May 05, 2018 7:47 pm
by skitter30
In post 2443, Mathdino wrote:also it occurs to me that if pintu is town, draynth is just going to perform the nightkill every night anyway since it's not like he can be MORE confscum to skitter than he already is
Actually this is a good point and what's probably what's going to happen.
We're effectively cc'ing each other and leaving him overnight won't really provide a way to resolve it. And even if they can't kill me/math without outing draynth as scum, I'm unlikely to track someone else doing the nk while he's alive.
In post 2443, Mathdino wrote:also it occurs to me that if pintu is town, draynth is just going to perform the nightkill every night anyway since it's not like he can be MORE confscum to skitter than he already is
Actually this is a good point and what's probably what's going to happen.
We're effectively cc'ing each other and leaving him overnight won't really provide a way to resolve it. And even if they can't kill me/math without outing draynth as scum, I'm unlikely to track someone else doing the nk while he's alive.
VOTE: draynth
is it cop tracker IC? weird that is so strange *sarcasm*
also, no CC to either role? Fuck me again, but I think that screams that we still have one of those two roles that are not these players (putting aside a Draynth CC which would have to be looked at differently).
Skum is 100% in a town hard read right now. Also probably Draynth. And no one answered me before - I want to vote here but the L1 this early seems like a bad play.
Should I wait, or should I vote? #Clash
In post 2453, UglyDuck wrote:is it cop tracker IC? weird that is so strange *sarcasm*
also, no CC to either role? Fuck me again, but I think that screams that we still have one of those two roles that are not these players (putting aside a Draynth CC which would have to be looked at differently).
Skum is 100% in a town hard read right now. Also probably Draynth. And no one answered me before - I want to vote here but the L1 this early seems like a bad play.
Should I wait, or should I vote? #Clash
Pin claimed cop. I'm claiming tracker. Draynth heavily alluded to being a PR and used that to get out of a lynch yesterday. There's absolutely scum in the three of us, and in me/draynth if you believe pin.
I don't get why you think 'we still have one of those two roles that are not these players'.
Also draynth's at like L-3 if I counted correctly since oxy unvoted so idk why you're so reluctant to vote there.
In post 2386, ruru wrote:
Like, suppose Draynth was cop and shared his result and then we lynched him because of wifom. Congrats?
He already said he’s not.
If Draynth is town then scum didn't know that n1
Posted: Sat May 05, 2018 10:53 pm
by Mathdino
okay wait a second guys
suppose draynth is scum and doesn't want to scumclaim
if we leave draynth alive, scum can't kill me (because draynth is "jailing" me) and can't kill skitter (which would conf draynth as scum)
if we lynch draynth now, scum must kill skitter, and then kills from {pintu, NSG, Math} which is probably me
draynth alive:
- scum kills pintu/NSG
draynth dead:
- scum kills skitter/math
i kiiiiinda wanna leave draynth alive selfishly
Posted: Sat May 05, 2018 10:57 pm
by Mathdino
plus if we lynch outside of the PRs, we can assign skitter to track draynth
if she gets a result of draynth jailing me, then scum is in {pintu, skitter}
if she doesn't, then it further confirms pintu as town
so it helps in that worst case scenario
we should be lynching partners today imo
Posted: Sat May 05, 2018 11:20 pm
by ruru
I really want to see Draynth's result...
Posted: Sat May 05, 2018 11:38 pm
by brassherald
Posted: Sun May 06, 2018 12:07 am
by Not_Mafia
Lynch the guilty, NEXT
Posted: Sun May 06, 2018 12:09 am
by Mathdino
who are the partners N_M
Posted: Sun May 06, 2018 12:14 am
by Not_Mafia
How should I know?
Posted: Sun May 06, 2018 3:14 am
by Sunshine13
I find myself looking forward to Draynth’a claim.
Basically, assuming true claims right now: Math pintu NSG and skitter are conf!town
I didn’t perform the NK as per skitter’s tracking
Draynth has claimed PR, but is probably scum.
Oxy AP UD NM ruru remaining.
I’ve been townreading AP and ruru throughout.
Scumpartners thus potentially UD NM and Oxy, in that order.
UD has been posting oddly recently, and doesn’t quite seem engaged with the game at the same time, hence why we should go for him if we’re not going for Draynth.
VOTE: UD
Posted: Sun May 06, 2018 3:45 am
by pinturicchio
@Dino again, and proving my point about Draynth, you're already assuming that he'll claim JK and everything about your plan assumes that. If we lynch somebody else today, skitter is dead and scum!Draynth will say that he hasn't claimed yet and claim VT. CAN WE STOP HELPING SCUM PLS?
sunshine is okay, so is ruru.
dino and pintu are fine to but cannot be trusted.
not buying mohab's excuse for wanting to get lynched.
oxy seems a lot less opinionated and that's worrying.
the rest is whatever.
Assuming all current claims are correct, and that ruru was too obv!town for scum to push on,
We have a town read for sunshine,
light shade thrown on confirmed town dino and pintu
shade thrown on confirmed town, NSG
shade thrown on town!oxy
If Scioness was scum, this entire list was spewed town, with a small possibility that she put her partner, sunshine, into her early town reads.
Then, later, Scioness is scum reading UD, but also vehemently argues against Ofrhz's scum read on UD:
I'm not really seeing this? Someone brought up that vig is anti-town because a vig could just mis-fire on town, so I was trying to get at an optimal vig play here.
I kinda feel like you're going after me for being an easier mislynch than ruru. VOTE: UglyDuck call it omgus, idgaf
no clue what to think of this, the content as nothing to do with the vote.
This was my case against UglyDuck. I pointed out why several of his reads were bad in a scummy way. His readlist was scummy because 1) wow hedging and 2) UglyDuck probably thought I was an easy lynch and went to push for it based on really bad reasons.
Your 1st point was an observation and a question. Your 2nd point was 'a lot of hedging' and you've bolded where UD has explained why he has Pin in null category and explained what makes UD think pintu is scummy. In your 3rd point, you have disagreed that ruru has any previous experience. In your 4th point, you disagree with him again. None of those explain your why you think those things come from scum nor is it actually a case against UD. Your hedging argument is really meh and in the end, you have called the whole thing omgus. Calling your case against someone omgus is a convenient way to dodge responsibility for your vote and explain weak arguments.
There's not a huge amount in her ISO about why UD is scum - It's basically "wobbly read list" and a lamist post about mohab replacing out.
In post 1553, AP wrote:My TR on oxy is wearing out. Both him and Sajj refuse to vote each other. Sajj even avoided the Draynth wagon and went for a new wagon on ofrhz (did I spell that right?)
glad to know you are reading vcs, sad you are not reading the game though
There is nothing in her iso about why she didn't want to vote draynth. In fact, her entire discussion of draynth is basically one multi paragraph response to an innocuous question by draynth, and this comment.
What I'm saying is, {Draynth, NM, UD} looks pretty darn consistent to me.
suppose draynth is scum and doesn't want to scumclaim
if we leave draynth alive, scum can't kill me (because draynth is "jailing" me) and can't kill skitter (which would conf draynth as scum)
if we lynch draynth now, scum must kill skitter, and then kills from {pintu, NSG, Math} which is probably me
draynth alive:
- scum kills pintu/NSG
draynth dead:
- scum kills skitter/math
i kiiiiinda wanna leave draynth alive selfishly
Can we just like get a claim out of him first? If he decides to claim lolvt then this whole thought process is moot and we just lynch him today.
If you don't want to lynch him today, when do you want to lynch him?
Posted: Sun May 06, 2018 5:02 am
by northsidegal
draynth is already basically confirmed scum, i think the idea that they "can't" kill you is a little silly.
Posted: Sun May 06, 2018 5:07 am
by skitter30
Yeah, basically.
Even if draynth does claim lol-jk at best all we do is push this debate off to tomorrow with me getting no new info overnight (ie best I can do most likely is see draynth doing the kill, which isn't really providing providing new info to anyone at this point)
That's assuming I'm not just nk'd, which tbh they might do irregardless of what draynth claims.
Posted: Sun May 06, 2018 5:10 am
by ruru
Along that line of thinking I guess it's relevant that someone else will have to perform the nk if we lynch Draynth today
Posted: Sun May 06, 2018 5:16 am
by ruru
But yeah I guess there's a high chance they just nk you so we may as well not play around your n2 action
Posted: Sun May 06, 2018 5:26 am
by Oxy
Do we think that scum!UD gave an accurate analysis of why we should scum read him in this post?
Not Voting (3): Sunshine13(27), Mohab500(44), skitter30(36) , Draynth(16)
Little wagon analysis to be taken into consideration.
The ofrhz wagon just literally 100% dismantled itself to move to me (Math and Oxy both moving from ofrhz to me, leaving me the only one on ofrhz). AP jumped off their random OMGUS ruru vote to bring it to L2.
Reasons aside for a second - just look at the layout of the votes rn.
I have to write this up from my perspective as Town, and obv there are not a lot of people that think I am, but just try for a second:
- If I am skum then assuredly within the 5 voting me now there must also be skum. But like what, absolutely 0 attempt at a counter wagon on anyone else? If you think I am skum then it should make AP look super towny actually because they could of jumped on ofrhz with me.
- Now, as it happens, not skum here. So what just happened is a wagon was just dismantled to create my L-2. This actually creates the exact opposite point for AP and FOS hard on ofrhz. Skum loves Town vs Town Wagons, so if I am town AND ofrhz is town... this situation should not be happening.
I guess the exception to the above would be if actually 100% of skum is all not voting currently, but I find that unlikely.
Obv this isn't going to mean a ton if you are not willing to consider my pov, but I would give it a read.