He's probably trying to imply that he is Town and the Mafia should try to kill him so they die themselves... but no Mafia would fall for that and it's a terrible and scummy way of trying to say you're Town.Nightfall wrote:Hey Mafia.... Kill me.... Now.... I order you.....
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The problem is a little more compliacte then that, I'm afraid.mathcam wrote:We actually have a pretty serious problem as regards to voting, random or not. By me voting for Player X, I'm effectively saying "I am not mason partners with Player X." In addition to making it more likely than X and I are both townies, it also will give away significant information about the other as soon as one of the two of us dies. I think the only solution is that masons have to play as if they were townies, at least in the early stages of the game -- i.e., ignoring the fact that they know who their co-masons are, and vote solely based on how scummy they find a particular person.
In Assasins at the Palace, there was a certain amount of "distancing" voting going on between townies and the kings, but the fact is, no townie would ever want to put a king so close to being lynched that the assasins afia might pile on and finish him off. So the end result was, 1 vote on someone wasn't dangerous, but once someone got close to a lynch, the scum would know that that person was clearly not a king, and so at that point the correct move for the town became to speedlynch that person.
This game is even less simple, but I think some of the same principles apply; if a person who turns out to be a mason has put someone close to a lynch, that WILL give the scum info, and we have to be aware of that. OF course, we also have to hunt scum to; the faster we lynch the scum off, the less able they'll be to do damage.
(nods) I agree.On that note:
I have a hard time believing that this post came from anyone other than mafia. Would a mason/town be so cavalier about the information they might be revealing? This feels much more like something a mafia member would think a mafia/town would post. Just instinct, admittedly, but good enough for an early vote.Nightfall wrote:Hey Mafia.... Kill me.... Now.... I order you.....
Vote: Nightfall.
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Well, except that mafia members will bus each other to make themselves look better, and masons generally won't; therefore, this kind of information helps the scum more then it helps the town.ooba wrote: But this could work against the mafia too .
a) Your reasoning could extend to Mafia too where we can deduce that the player random voted by mafia mostly should be town
I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie
I agree with Yosarian on the mafia bussing.
However, I don't agree with the votes on Nightfall. That 1 line is definately not enough to say someone is surely scummy. A minor scumtell, maybe. My impression is he's just being a bit odd.
I'm intrigued to see how he'll react to all these votes though. Waldo has the right idea holding off on any more votes at this time.
However, I don't agree with the votes on Nightfall. That 1 line is definately not enough to say someone is surely scummy. A minor scumtell, maybe. My impression is he's just being a bit odd.
I'm intrigued to see how he'll react to all these votes though. Waldo has the right idea holding off on any more votes at this time.
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LMAO wow, that was fun. I'm very interested in seeing how people were quick to think I was scum making a play as opposed to town or mason making more of an info gathering move.
Im really interested in Arc's response + vote.
That puts him in the spot light for me right now.
Im really interested in Arc's response + vote.
That puts him in the spot light for me right now.
FOS: Arc
Once Nightfall comes, everyone's dead...
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I don't see what is wrong with random voting, is gud!
Vote: Thyess
Eteocles wrote:EBWOP: Oh and the Nightfall post means shit.
You going to post anything meaningful (ie why you don't think that post means anything or what you have to offer to the strategy for the game at this point??)
There are a lot of people voting for you who seem to think your post was scummy, what's so interesting about my response? I can't think of any good townie reasons for you to have said what you did in post #21, so if you have any please let us know.Nightfall wrote:Im really interested in Arc's response + vote.
That puts him in the spot light for me right now.
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Info gathering? What kind of "info" did you expect to "gather" by hinting in thread that you're a mason? Unless you mean you were trying to look scummy so that someone would vote for you, in which case, I'm not sure why you're then attacking someone because they voted for you.Nightfall wrote:LMAO wow, that was fun. I'm very interested in seeing how people were quick to think I was scum making a play as opposed to town or mason making more of an info gathering move.
I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie
Obviously you are not familiar with my play-style sir, becuase I am proud to say that I never post anything meaningful.tyhess wrote:Eteocles wrote:Hey guys, checking in.
I don't see what is wrong with random voting, is gud!
Vote: ThyessEteocles wrote:EBWOP: Oh and the Nightfall post means shit.
You going to post anything meaningful (ie why you don't think that post means anything or what you have to offer to the strategy for the game at this point??)
Also, I see NF's point about arch's (3rd?) vote.
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Wtf? why are you even playing then. I find this line completely upsurd.Eteocles wrote:
Obviously you are not familiar with my play-style sir, becuase I am proud to say that I never post anything meaningful.
I don't see anything particularly more scummy about arc's vote on Nightfall then anyone else's. I would like elaboration on why his is supposedly more scummy then others.
@Waldo: I don't understand why your stating that you still want to vote nightfall. If your not gonna vote him, why bother stating this? I am also getting good vibes from Yos at this time.
Right now my suspicions are low on most people. I'm keeping an eye on Nightfall and Eteocles though. Nightfall's jump on arc seems unnecessary and unfounded. This also goes for Eteocles, plus his "nothing I say is meaningful" playstyle.
Despite Eteocles' "counter-argument" to the contrary, I'm still happy with my vote on Nightfall. Nightfall's most recent post has does nothing to improve his scumminess factor, and that his only defender comes from a person who seems to be admitting to intentionally playing the game poorly also does not help his cause.
At this point, I think a short day 1 strongly benefits the town, so I'd even go as far as to say we should lynch Nightfall now.
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At this point, I think a short day 1 strongly benefits the town, so I'd even go as far as to say we should lynch Nightfall now.
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How does ...
meanHey Mafia.... Kill me.... Now.... I order you.....
...by hinting in thread that you're a mason?
Isn't this a bit too soon and fast? Why is it good for the town?At this point, I think a short day 1 strongly benefits the town, so I'd even go as far as to say we should lynch Nightfall now.
@ooba: I'm also a little confused with the "hinting a mason" comment. Wouldn't he be hinting town?
"If X is a Mason, he will be killed, If X is not a Mason, the Mafia Member submitting the kill will be killed. "
So if he's a townie, he would want to be mafia killed, and therefore, he's implying he's a townie, right?
"If X is a Mason, he will be killed, If X is not a Mason, the Mafia Member submitting the kill will be killed. "
So if he's a townie, he would want to be mafia killed, and therefore, he's implying he's a townie, right?
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Because I'm letting you know my suspicions. Nightfall made a few posts that make me suspect him to be mafia. It may not be much, but it's the best hunch that I have so far, so I WOULD put my vote on him. However, he already has more than half of the votes needed to get lynched and it's only page 2! Not to mention that those four votes occurred almost immediately one-after-the-other. That makes me a little uneasy.Miztef wrote:@Waldo: I don't understand why your stating that you still want to vote nightfall. If your not gonna vote him, why bother stating this?
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Mastermind of Sin and Albert B Rampage
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Where areMastermind of Sin and Albert B Rampage?
The game only started 2 days ago (or less, depending on how you look at it). I'm not at all surprised that some players haven't posted. It's also the weekend, where some players don't post at all. I'd wait until at least Tuesday morning before I jumped on those 2 for lurking or otherwise.
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I'm here. I think the only way for the town to win is for vanilla townies to fake being masons and get themselves killed. The mafia can kill whenever they want, including at L-1, so even if we catch 4 mafia in a row, we can still lose if the last mafia kills all 4 masons.
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Okay I finished triple-reading the thread..hmm...
My initial read through didn't tell me much, however after the second and third time, I am pretty certain I picked up on some scumtells on players other than Nightfall; I am tempted to say who I am suspicious of, but do you guys think that's a good idea ?
Its really unfortunate that I will unlikely be able to pull any crazy gambits this game though =P
P.S.: I AM TOWN. Or am I ? WIFOM haaa (please construct every post as if you are town - like me)
My initial read through didn't tell me much, however after the second and third time, I am pretty certain I picked up on some scumtells on players other than Nightfall; I am tempted to say who I am suspicious of, but do you guys think that's a good idea ?
Its really unfortunate that I will unlikely be able to pull any crazy gambits this game though =P
P.S.: I AM TOWN. Or am I ? WIFOM haaa (please construct every post as if you are town - like me)
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Meh. I guess. By hinting mason, I meant "hinting that the mafia would want to kill him", and of course by WIFOM you could say that he's therefore hinting townie.Miztef wrote:@ooba: I'm also a little confused with the "hinting a mason" comment. Wouldn't he be hinting town?
"If X is a Mason, he will be killed, If X is not a Mason, the Mafia Member submitting the kill will be killed. "
So if he's a townie, he would want to be mafia killed, and therefore, he's implying he's a townie, right?
Either way, though, I don't see what "information he was trying to gain" there.
I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie