Mini 525 "Masons & Mafia"! (Over)
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Mini 525 "Masons & Mafia"! (Over)
Masons and Mafia!(Open Nightless)
4 Mafia
4 Masons(Know Each Other + Guaranteed Innocence)
4 Townie
A Live Mafia Member may at any point in the game submit Kill X privately to the Moderator, a player may submit multiple kill orders but they will be resolved in the order they were received.
If X is a Mason, he will be killed, If X is not a Mason, the Mafia Member submitting the kill will be killed.
Mafia&Mason Members have a pregame session to plan strategy or what not but afterwards may not communicate privately.
Once the lynching vote has been cast for a Mafia Member, they are considered "Lynched" and may not commit any kills.
Alive:
ooba
Mr.Flay(Replaced thedragonsprincess)(replaced Archaist)
Mastermind of Sin
Dead:
Albert B. Rampage(Mafia, Failed Daykill, Day 1)
Nightfall(Townie, Lynched Day 1)
WaterboyWaldo(Mason, Daykilled Day 2)
Mathcam(Townie, Lynched Day 2)
SweatPantsNinja(Townie Lynched Day 3)
Miztef(Mafia, Failed Daykill Day 4)
Distad(Mason, Daykilled Day 4)
Yosarian(Mafia, Failed Daykill Day 4)
tyhess (Mafia, Lynched Day 5)
All Role PMs have been sent, if you do not receive one, please contact me.
Mafia and Masons may talk privately until Friday 5 PM EST, at which point the game will begin.
4 Mafia
4 Masons(Know Each Other + Guaranteed Innocence)
4 Townie
A Live Mafia Member may at any point in the game submit Kill X privately to the Moderator, a player may submit multiple kill orders but they will be resolved in the order they were received.
If X is a Mason, he will be killed, If X is not a Mason, the Mafia Member submitting the kill will be killed.
Mafia&Mason Members have a pregame session to plan strategy or what not but afterwards may not communicate privately.
Once the lynching vote has been cast for a Mafia Member, they are considered "Lynched" and may not commit any kills.
Alive:
ooba
Mr.Flay(Replaced thedragonsprincess)(replaced Archaist)
Mastermind of Sin
Dead:
Albert B. Rampage(Mafia, Failed Daykill, Day 1)
Nightfall(Townie, Lynched Day 1)
WaterboyWaldo(Mason, Daykilled Day 2)
Mathcam(Townie, Lynched Day 2)
SweatPantsNinja(Townie Lynched Day 3)
Miztef(Mafia, Failed Daykill Day 4)
Distad(Mason, Daykilled Day 4)
Yosarian(Mafia, Failed Daykill Day 4)
tyhess (Mafia, Lynched Day 5)
All Role PMs have been sent, if you do not receive one, please contact me.
Mafia and Masons may talk privately until Friday 5 PM EST, at which point the game will begin.
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Game begins now.
With 12 alive, it will take 7 votes to lynch a player.
With 12 alive, it will take 7 votes to lynch a player.
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~Maple
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It's like witnessing an slow but unavoidable train crash you can't stop."
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Did you guys miss the part where random votes might not be good in this game?
Anyway, the way it's like "Assasins in the palace" is that in this game, the town does NOT want the scum to find the masons, so we have to be careful what we say.
Did you guys miss the part where random votes might not be good in this game?
Anyway, the way it's like "Assasins in the palace" is that in this game, the town does NOT want the scum to find the masons, so we have to be careful what we say.
I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie
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Indeed -- especially be cautious of whether or not a given post gives off the impression that you had the chance to talk to people last night (or not).Yosarian2 wrote:we have to be careful what we say.
Perhaps, though an actual random vote, instead of random-unless-its-one-of-your-buddies vote, seem pretty harmless.Yosarian2 wrote:it seems to me that random voting might not be useful this game.
Well, that wouldn't be random, and Yos only seemed opposed to random votes. I say go for it.Unright wrote:Aw.. But this is my first game with the legendary mathcam. I really wanted to vote for him....
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I guess...not sure what the point is then, though, and it still seems like any reactions that might come from a vote like that are as likely to hurt us as they are to help us.mathcam wrote: Perhaps, though an actual random vote, instead of random-unless-its-one-of-your-buddies vote, seem pretty harmless.
I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie
Agreed, though even in normal games, the merits of true random voting weren't exactly overwhelming anyway.Yosarian2 wrote: I guess...not sure what the point is then, though, and it still seems like any reactions that might come from a vote like that are as likely to hurt us as they are to help us.
I guess the dangerous aspect is when masons "random vote" among the non-masons -- if/when that mason gets killed, the mafia can then look back and presume that the target was probably not a mason, and they'll know if they're not mafia, and hence possibly get a free kill.
That said, the second most dangerous is when masons do the opposite of what I just said -- in the sense that if there's any distinction between what townies and masons are supposed to do, then that helps the mafia figure out which is which.
Man. At least the mafia have as many pitfalls to fall into as the rest of us.
Cam
So.. We're going for a reactionless game? Should I break out some tea and scones?Yosarian2 wrote:I guess...not sure what the point is then, though, and it still seems like any reactions that might come from a vote like that are as likely to hurt us as they are to help us.
Wow, you must be a big fan of taffy!WaterboyWaldo wrote:Are you suggesting that you can't vote for mathcam unless it's a random vote? I guess that would make you mafiosi then.
FOS: Unright.
Vote Right -- Unvote Unright!
That is just ridiculous. Besides the fact that they could be masons together by your logic, that's not even what unright meant. Unright was referring to the fact that random voting is not very useful in this set-up, as Yosarian2 has pointed out. (I don't understand this logic, but I'm assuming Unright is following it, as that is what seems the case)WaterboyWaldo wrote:Are you suggesting that you can't vote for mathcam unless it's a random vote? I guess that would make you mafiosi then.
FOS: Unright.
I suppose... I've never played in a set-up like this. I don't actually know how things work really, so I'm just going on other people's experience.mathcam wrote:Perhaps, though an actual random vote, instead of random-unless-its-one-of-your-buddies vote, seem pretty harmless.
@Yosarian2: Can I get an explaination on why random votes are not useful in this game?
This is the way I see it, but I could be wrong:
Mafia & masons know their respective groups. "Random" votes could hurt the town, as masons may choose not to random vote other masons, and the scum could pick up on it. So it may be more useful to not random vote at all.
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Not...reactionless. But it might be better to carefully decide who you want to try to get a reaction from, if you know what I mean.Unright wrote: So.. We're going for a reactionless game? Should I break out some tea and scones?
Right, that's really the big thing. In a "normal" game, masons won't random vote each other usually; if masons play like that here, then random voting=bad. There's trisky WIFOMy type stuff that makes that a lot more complex, of course, but considering how little random voting usually helps even in a normal game, it seemed better to just skip the whole thing. Basically almost the same arugment I made in the "Assasins in the Palace" game ooba just linked to.Miztef wrote: @Yosarian2: Can I get an explaination on why random votes are not useful in this game?
This is the way I see it, but I could be wrong:
Mafia & masons know their respective groups. "Random" votes could hurt the town, as masons may choose not to random vote other masons, and the scum could pick up on it. So it may be more useful to not random vote at all.
I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie
Huh.. I make one innocuous comment and one person interprets it as being a scumtell, while another interprets it as blind agreement with a third party.Miztef wrote:That is just ridiculous. Besides the fact that they could be masons together by your logic, that's not even what unright meant. Unright was referring to the fact that random voting is not very useful in this set-up, as Yosarian2 has pointed out. (I don't understand this logic, but I'm assuming Unright is following it, as that is what seems the case)
Oy vey.. This is going to be an interesting game.
For now though, let's let Unright speak about what Unright means, what Unright is referring to, and what Unright is following.
Vote Right -- Unvote Unright!
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But this could work against the mafia too .Mafia & masons know their respective groups. "Random" votes could hurt the town, as masons may choose not to random vote other masons, and the scum could pick up on it. So it may be more useful to not random vote at all.
a) Your reasoning could extend to Mafia too where we can deduce that the player random voted by mafia mostly should be town
b) And if it is a truly "random" vote (i.e where the probability of voting all other players was equal),then there is no information divulged from random voting.
But there is a certain amount of merit to what you're saying so
Unvote
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No, because masons could vote to throw the mafia off the trail.Miztef wrote:That is just ridiculous. Besides the fact that they could be masons together by your logic, that's not even what unright meant.WaterboyWaldo wrote:Are you suggesting that you can't vote for mathcam unless it's a random vote? I guess that would make you mafiosi then.
FOS: Unright.
...Although I suppose the mafia could do that too, so I guess I didn't think out my brilliant strategy enough.
The tricky part to this game is that the town needs a solid strategy for this game, and the kicker is that it's difficult to discuss strategy without giving away whether or not you're town or mason, and thus had time to discuss strategy with other people. So I apologize for the awkward phrasing of some of my sentences -- I'm trying to phrase it so that it could either be coming as a synopsis of the part of the mason discussion, or as the ideas of an individual townie. Here goes.
We actually have a pretty serious problem as regards to voting, random or not. By me voting for Player X, I'm effectively saying "I am not mason partners with Player X." In addition to making it more likely than X and I are both townies, it also will give away significant information about the other as soon as one of the two of us dies. I think the only solution is that masons have to play as if they were townies, at least in the early stages of the game -- i.e., ignoring the fact that they know who their co-masons are, and vote solely based on how scummy they find a particular person.
On that note:
Cam
We actually have a pretty serious problem as regards to voting, random or not. By me voting for Player X, I'm effectively saying "I am not mason partners with Player X." In addition to making it more likely than X and I are both townies, it also will give away significant information about the other as soon as one of the two of us dies. I think the only solution is that masons have to play as if they were townies, at least in the early stages of the game -- i.e., ignoring the fact that they know who their co-masons are, and vote solely based on how scummy they find a particular person.
On that note:
I have a hard time believing that this post came from anyone other than mafia. Would a mason/town be so cavalier about the information they might be revealing? This feels much more like something a mafia member would think a mafia/town would post. Just instinct, admittedly, but good enough for an early vote.Nightfall wrote:Hey Mafia.... Kill me.... Now.... I order you.....
Vote: Nightfall.
Cam
mathcam wrote:The tricky part to this game is that the town needs a solid strategy for this game, and the kicker is that it's difficult to discuss strategy without giving away whether or not you're town or mason, and thus had time to discuss strategy with other people. So I apologize for the awkward phrasing of some of my sentences -- I'm trying to phrase it so that it could either be coming as a synopsis of the part of the mason discussion, or as the ideas of an individual townie. Here goes.
We actually have a pretty serious problem as regards to voting, random or not. By me voting for Player X, I'm effectively saying "I am not mason partners with Player X." In addition to making it more likely than X and I are both townies, it also will give away significant information about the other as soon as one of the two of us dies. I think the only solution is that masons have to play as if they were townies, at least in the early stages of the game -- i.e., ignoring the fact that they know who their co-masons are, and vote solely based on how scummy they find a particular person.
You seem to want to want to seem as if your a mason or town. I have a question for you about that-why do you want to seem like there's a chance your a mason?? You said that you don't want to seem like you've had time to discuss strategy, which to means that you have, which would make you mafia or masons. But anyways back to my questions, Why would you want to try to seem like anything elses other than town???
I have to agree with you on this part. This posts seems to reek mafiamathcam wrote: On that note:
I have a hard time believing that this post came from anyone other than mafia. Would a mason/town be so cavalier about the information they might be revealing? This feels much more like something a mafia member would think a mafia/town would post. Just instinct, admittedly, but good enough for an early vote.Nightfall wrote:Hey Mafia.... Kill me.... Now.... I order you.....
Vote: Nightfall.
Cam
Vote: Nightfall