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[OutWorldER]

So, three votes on me "randomly" huh? Well, know where to start looking .

Explain why on first bite randomness a bandwagon is a good idea of you're not scumm.

random bandwagon early helps solve the guy being wagoned and generates discussion?

especially helpful since this is a really bad reaction

i mean, it's a ben reaction - this is exactly what he did as town in the last game all 3 of us were in together. However it did also help cost town the game, so.

i don't really recall that from o799, I mostly just recall ben being inactive

[Rannygazoo]

If that's a serious question about gameplay/strategy, the answer is bandwagonning on Day 1 is a good way to get information. For instance:

Thanks for the analysis. I'm more interested in what OutWorldER has to say. Would you say that the vote was specifically to put pressure on a low-effort player?

what is this about?

Here it is: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12225063
Titus was making trolly posts and I voted her to try to make her stop and act helpful. It turns out she was VT (who everyone else was townreading and more familiar with, so she never had to worry) and I was innocent child (which I could reveal at any time, so I never had to worry).

[Battle Mage]

If that's a serious question about gameplay/strategy, the answer is bandwagonning on Day 1 is a good way to get information. For instance:

Thanks for the analysis. I'm more interested in what OutWorldER has to say.

charming

[Battle Mage]

So, three votes on me "randomly" huh? Well, know where to start looking .

Explain why on first bite randomness a bandwagon is a good idea of you're not scumm.

random bandwagon early helps solve the guy being wagoned and generates discussion?

especially helpful since this is a really bad reaction

i mean, it's a ben reaction - this is exactly what he did as town in the last game all 3 of us were in together. However it did also help cost town the game, so.

i don't really recall that from o799, I mostly just recall ben being inactive

essentially he was inactive but when he did turn up he just OMGUSed everyone who had been wary of him, and we flipped him because of it. collective responsibility though, we all sucked in that game.

[Rannygazoo]

If that's a serious question about gameplay/strategy, the answer is bandwagonning on Day 1 is a good way to get information. For instance:

Thanks for the analysis. I'm more interested in what OutWorldER has to say.

charming

No disrespect. I'm just going to follow up on the lead, even if you don't think I need to.

[Battle Mage]

If that's a serious question about gameplay/strategy, the answer is bandwagonning on Day 1 is a good way to get information. For instance:

Thanks for the analysis. I'm more interested in what OutWorldER has to say.

charming

No disrespect. I'm just going to follow up on the lead, even if you don't think I need to.

I'm happy for you to do whatever you choose. But I like to give my 2 cents.

[NoPowerOverMe]

So maybe as town Titus likes to reaction vote?

[Rannygazoo]

I'm happy for you to do whatever you choose. But I like to give my 2 cents.

I didn't mean to discourage you. Sorry if I gave you that impression.

[Battle Mage]

IIRC she did a similar trolly maneuver in Mini Theme 2172

you think Titus moving her random vote on page 1 is a "trolly maneuver"?

[Battle Mage]

I'm happy for you to do whatever you choose. But I like to give my 2 cents.

I didn't mean to discourage you. Sorry if I gave you that impression.

All good, we cool

[Titus]

So maybe as town Titus likes to reaction vote?

I like us out of RVS asap.

I also didn't like Rannygazoo's vote for weak as fuck reasons, so I voted him and shut up.

[Battle Mage]

my initial suggestion would be...it's very early to draw a conclusion one way or another about Titus' alignment in this game, especially based on the 1-game meta cited and given she only has a couple of non-AI posts.

[Battle Mage]

So maybe as town Titus likes to reaction vote?

I like us out of RVS asap.

I also didn't like Rannygazoo's vote for weak as fuck reasons, so I voted him and shut up.

tell me what you didnt like about it?

[Titus]

my initial suggestion would be...it's very early to draw a conclusion one way or another about Titus' alignment in this game, especially based on the 1-game meta cited and given she only has a couple of non-AI posts.

And this needed saying because?

All you're doing is stopping scum from whiteknighting me based on flimsy evidence and exposing themselves.

[Titus]

Let’s generate some noise from which we will derive associations or motives
VOTE: Non Imh

He says this, yet his vote does nothing to further creating associations or motives by not joining any other wagon.

[Rannygazoo]

IIRC she did a similar trolly maneuver in Mini Theme 2172

you think Titus moving her random vote on page 1 is a "trolly maneuver"?

I'm just saying, it made me feel "where have I seen this before" and then "oh no, I'm not falling for that again".

@Titus: sounds like you have really high standards for RVS

[Rannygazoo]

Let’s generate some noise from which we will derive associations or motives
VOTE: Non Imh

He says this, yet his vote does nothing to further creating associations or motives by not joining any other wagon.

This is really interesting. Ben thinks it's scummy to bandwagon on page 1. Titus thinks it's scummy NOT to.

The way I see it, a random vote on a new wagon is kind of the "default" thing. From scum's perspective, it might be a good thing to do in order to stay unnoticed. But bandwagonning is probably better because it puts pressure on [anyone else but them].

From town's perspective, there's a lot more freedom in choosing what to do, because I know I'm not going to solve the game on page 1. I just need to see content and hopefully it will make sense in retrospect.

[Battle Mage]

my initial suggestion would be...it's very early to draw a conclusion one way or another about Titus' alignment in this game, especially based on the 1-game meta cited and given she only has a couple of non-AI posts.

And this needed saying because?

All you're doing is stopping scum from whiteknighting me based on flimsy evidence and exposing themselves.

...what's the reason behind your entrance being a tad on the aggressive side? I've previously known you to be a lot more moderate and composed as town.

To actually respond to your point, I didn't stop anyone doing anything, by giving a view on something which had already happened.

[Titus]

@Titus: sounds like you have really high standards for RVS

[Titus]

my initial suggestion would be...it's very early to draw a conclusion one way or another about Titus' alignment in this game, especially based on the 1-game meta cited and given she only has a couple of non-AI posts.

And this needed saying because?

All you're doing is stopping scum from whiteknighting me based on flimsy evidence and exposing themselves.

...what's the reason behind your entrance being a tad on the aggressive side? I've previously known you to be a lot more moderate and composed as town.

To actually respond to your point, I didn't stop anyone doing anything, by giving a view on something which had already happened.

I'm in a no bullshit mood and I am sick of getting nightkilled day one and then praying people solve without me.

[Battle Mage]

Let’s generate some noise from which we will derive associations or motives
VOTE: Non Imh

He says this, yet his vote does nothing to further creating associations or motives by not joining any other wagon.

you described this quite dramatically as a "vote for weak as fuck reasons".

I'd argue it's a vote which isn't for any reason. Much like other votes, including your own. If I was being generous, I'd say you're making something out of nothing here. A more believable explanation for your vote would have been that you thought he was trying to appear helpful and protown/LAMIST with extra superfluous words which didn't really amount to anything. I actually read his vote to be completely unrelated to the narrative.

[Titus]

That feels like a lot of words to say that my observation was correct but that you assign my rationale no weight. If that's the case though, why are you voting Ranny?

[benhalkum]

my initial suggestion would be...it's very early to draw a conclusion one way or another about Titus' alignment in this game, especially based on the 1-game meta cited and given she only has a couple of non-AI posts.

And this needed saying because?

All you're doing is stopping scum from whiteknighting me based on flimsy evidence and exposing themselves.

...what's the reason behind your entrance being a tad on the aggressive side? I've previously known you to be a lot more moderate and composed as town.

To actually respond to your point, I didn't stop anyone doing anything, by giving a view on something which had already happened.

I'm in a no bullshit mood and I am sick of getting nightkilled day one and then praying people solve without me.

Sick of being night killed on day one but ok with making yourself a target?

I mean, unless you know you're safe at night

[Battle Mage]

Let’s generate some noise from which we will derive associations or motives
VOTE: Non Imh

He says this, yet his vote does nothing to further creating associations or motives by not joining any other wagon.

This is really interesting. Ben thinks it's scummy to bandwagon on page 1. Titus thinks it's scummy NOT to.

The way I see it, a random vote on a new wagon is kind of the "default" thing. From scum's perspective, it might be a good thing to do in order to stay unnoticed. But bandwagonning is probably better because it puts pressure on [anyone else but them].

From town's perspective, there's a lot more freedom in choosing what to do, because I know I'm not going to solve the game on page 1. I just need to see content and hopefully it will make sense in retrospect.

The correct answer, per the BM school of scumhunting is...it depends. Context is key. However, generally I look favourably on those who are very eager and assertive with their votes early, and less favourably on those who are more cautious and avoiding the spotlight. A townie's vote is his most powerful weapon, and a good townie will put it to use.

[Titus]

my initial suggestion would be...it's very early to draw a conclusion one way or another about Titus' alignment in this game, especially based on the 1-game meta cited and given she only has a couple of non-AI posts.

And this needed saying because?

All you're doing is stopping scum from whiteknighting me based on flimsy evidence and exposing themselves.

...what's the reason behind your entrance being a tad on the aggressive side? I've previously known you to be a lot more moderate and composed as town.

To actually respond to your point, I didn't stop anyone doing anything, by giving a view on something which had already happened.

I'm in a no bullshit mood and I am sick of getting nightkilled day one and then praying people solve without me.

Sick of being night killed on day one but ok with making yourself a target?

I mean, unless you know you're safe at night

Well, if I am making myself a target, then I am obvtowning.

However, no one nightkills the class know it all.

So therefore my goal is to be right, vocal and brash. This prevents scum from lynching or killing me. Well if they do, town will know exactly where I stand and can sheep it.