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Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2022 7:27 am
by GuiltyLion
VOTE: StrangeMatter

I feel like I would post as scum

Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2022 7:28 am
by PookyTheMagicalBear
In post 24, catboi wrote:
In post 23, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:so many words catboi tsk tsk
and yet it's still more efficient than your postcount padding word vomit
i almost fell asleep reading it

Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2022 7:28 am
by StrangeMatter
More of an actual question about what people are thinking but alright.

Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2022 7:30 am
by catboi
In post 26, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
In post 24, catboi wrote:
In post 23, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:so many words catboi tsk tsk
and yet it's still more efficient than your postcount padding word vomit
i almost fell asleep reading it
Might want to see a doctor about your Narcolepsy

Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2022 7:34 am
by GuiltyLion
I think the idea to fail defusals by default is correct for reasons catboi explained, but I'm also having an emotional reaction against it due it being counter to the nature of the set-up as well as the resulting loss of my agency lol

Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2022 7:36 am
by StrangeMatter
I don't fully understand this setup that's for sure.

Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2022 7:37 am
by VP Baltar
In post 30, StrangeMatter wrote:I don't fully understand this setup that's for sure.
Same. I assumed the bombs were mandatory because like...yeah, why would you do them otherwise????

Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2022 7:47 am
by Greeting
Boom boom boom boom
I don't want you in my room


VOTE: Cat Scratch Fever

Also hi everyone.

Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2022 7:47 am
by GuiltyLion
well even if they were mandatory somehow, we'd just intentionally give bad info if we decide we want to fail all bombs by default

Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2022 7:49 am
by VP Baltar
In post 33, GuiltyLion wrote:well even if they were mandatory somehow, we'd just intentionally give bad info if we decide we want to fail all bombs by default
oh like use them as a double elim?

Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2022 7:55 am
by catboi
In post 34, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 33, GuiltyLion wrote:well even if they were mandatory somehow, we'd just intentionally give bad info if we decide we want to fail all bombs by default
oh like use them as a double elim?
The scum are the ones choosing the defusers, please go read the setup again. It's not functionally an elimination but unless someone is towncore there's no point saving them from a nightkill.


I'll shrug and take this as plausibly uninformed, good enough for page 2.

Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2022 7:57 am
by Titus
In post 34, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 33, GuiltyLion wrote:well even if they were mandatory somehow, we'd just intentionally give bad info if we decide we want to fail all bombs by default
oh like use them as a double elim?
It's a basic game of wifom.

If scum put themselves up, and we all townread them, then they win.
If scum put themselves up and a lone ranger scumreads them, then scum lose.
If scum put town up and we scumread them, scum win.
If scum put town up and we townread them, we win.

Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2022 7:59 am
by VP Baltar
In post 36, Titus wrote:
In post 34, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 33, GuiltyLion wrote:well even if they were mandatory somehow, we'd just intentionally give bad info if we decide we want to fail all bombs by default
oh like use them as a double elim?
It's a basic game of wifom.

If scum put themselves up, and we all townread them, then they win.
If scum put themselves up and a lone ranger scumreads them, then scum lose.
If scum put town up and we scumread them, scum win.
If scum put town up and we townread them, we win.
Ok got it.

Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2022 8:02 am
by VP Baltar
In post 35, catboi wrote:please go read the setup again.
Fair warning, in games like this, I'll probably ask lots of dumb questions about the setup/mechanics.

Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2022 8:06 am
by Greeting
In post 2, Datisi wrote:3. bomb defusals - defusing the bomb:
once night starts, the bomb defuser will receive their bomb, and each bomb expert will receive a part of that bomb's defusal manual.
the bomb defuser and all bomb experts will be added into a private topic for the night. the defuser's job is to describe the bomb, and the experts' job is to tell the defuser how to defuse the bomb, based on their description and the manual they have received. an example of this can be found below.
besides that, the defuser and the experts are free to discuss the game as they wish.
if all the bomb experts give the correct information about the bomb, the defuser will successfully defuse the bomb, and will survive the night.
if any of the bomb experts give incorrect information, the bomb will explode, and the defuser will die.
The rules seem to not have foreseen the situation in which some of the bomb experts just refuse to give out any information, with the intention of refusing to participate in the defusing of a bomb. What if the defuser doesn't provide any solution to defusing the bomb too? I suppose technically they didn't either provide a correct nor an incorrect answer and there is no provision for that situation in the rules either.

I feel like this is a way for players to avoid defusing a bomb altogether. But it also kinda breaks the setup, I guess? :neutral:

Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2022 8:09 am
by Titus
In post 39, Greeting wrote:
In post 2, Datisi wrote:3. bomb defusals - defusing the bomb:
once night starts, the bomb defuser will receive their bomb, and each bomb expert will receive a part of that bomb's defusal manual.
the bomb defuser and all bomb experts will be added into a private topic for the night. the defuser's job is to describe the bomb, and the experts' job is to tell the defuser how to defuse the bomb, based on their description and the manual they have received. an example of this can be found below.
besides that, the defuser and the experts are free to discuss the game as they wish.
if all the bomb experts give the correct information about the bomb, the defuser will successfully defuse the bomb, and will survive the night.
if any of the bomb experts give incorrect information, the bomb will explode, and the defuser will die.
The rules seem to not have foreseen the situation in which some of the bomb experts just refuse to give out any information, with the intention of refusing to participate in the defusing of a bomb. What if the defuser doesn't provide any solution to defusing the bomb too? I suppose technically they didn't either provide a correct nor an incorrect answer and there is no provision for that situation in the rules either.

I feel like this is a way for players to avoid defusing a bomb altogether. But it also kinda breaks the setup, I guess? :neutral:
Refusal is likely treated as gambling with the defuser just guessing at the last second.

Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2022 8:10 am
by catboi
Not providing any information is obviously going to be treated the same as giving incorrect information.

Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2022 8:11 am
by Titus
In post 25, GuiltyLion wrote:VOTE: StrangeMatter

I feel like I would post as scum
Ok.

VOTE: SM

Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2022 8:16 am
by Greeting
In post 40, Titus wrote: Refusal is likely treated as gambling with the defuser just guessing at the last second.
In post 41, catboi wrote:Not providing any information is obviously going to be treated the same as giving incorrect information.
@Datisi


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Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2022 8:18 am
by Datisi
In post 43, Greeting wrote:@Datisi
not providing information as the bomb expert will be treated the same as giving incorrect information, since the bomb explodes if its timer runs out without it being solved correctly.

Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2022 8:21 am
by Titus
That does create the last second wifom though on if the defuser thinks the bomb maker is lying.

Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2022 8:22 am
by Titus
@Datisi, does the defuser have to accept the recommendations of the experts?

Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2022 8:24 am
by Datisi
In post 46, Titus wrote:
@Datisi, does the defuser have to accept the recommendations of the experts?
yes. the defuser
must
accept the recommendations, and
cannot
submit solutions on their own.

Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2022 8:34 am
by Greeting
In post 47, Datisi wrote:
In post 46, Titus wrote:
@Datisi, does the defuser have to accept the recommendations of the experts?
yes. the defuser
must
accept the recommendations, and
cannot
submit solutions on their own.
Will the whole of the defusal manual of the bomb be provided to everyone (or at least all the bomb experts) in the case of an unsuccessful defusal and subsequent death of the bomb expert?

Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2022 8:36 am
by Datisi
In post 48, Greeting wrote:
In post 47, Datisi wrote:
In post 46, Titus wrote:
@Datisi, does the defuser have to accept the recommendations of the experts?
yes. the defuser
must
accept the recommendations, and
cannot
submit solutions on their own.
Will the whole of the defusal manual of the bomb be provided to everyone (or at least all the bomb experts) in the case of an unsuccessful defusal and subsequent death of the bomb expert?
no, and a bomb expert does not die from an unsucessful defusal.