"it's my play style" is a defence, and you've seen me use it a few times
I'm kinda happy with my vote where it is currently.
Self-awareness isn't really a tell imo but I find it interesting you've gone there.
Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2021 2:38 am
by Uncrowned
Well yeah but I don't think it's going to generate the conversation you're looking for.
Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2021 2:59 am
by Uncrowned
The self-awareness bit isn't meant o be a tell of alignment. It's meant to signify that, no, something as basic as early game posting where I naked vote and then make a push on the slot that reacts badly to that vote is something that I
1: Know will generate interest in my slot, both good and bad.
2: Could put me at the forefront of a wagon.
It is well within both alignment ranges for me.
And for Mark, who is trying to put up this pretense as a "hey let's work this out together" kinda guy, failing to understand this or give it any sort of credence goes directly against the character he's trying to portray. The inconsistency is scummy af
Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2021 5:21 am
by Flea The Magician
Given I've got 1 game meta with both of you, you're the one slightly off meta. Mark is just super friend and a town cheerleader type imo
Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2021 5:39 am
by Marky Mark
In post 246, Uncrowned wrote:I'm singling you out because you're the most actively engaged and I would assume the one who most strongly believes I am scum.
You can't talk about "let's work together" and all that LAMISTy stuff while actively and blatantly ignoring the most clear evidence that my initial vote was at best town indicative for me, or at worst completely null in determining my alignment.
But I'm not ignoring the initial evidence - I've explained why it is scum indicative, especially when contrasted to your subsequent play.
In post 247, Uncrowned wrote:I wouldn't say I'm worried about how I'm coming off at all. I'm just playing.
Do you really think I'm hitting panic mode after I get a couple votes on me in the early game when in general, as I said about your wagon, these early game wagons usually don't amount to elims? If this was a newbie and I was playing in my first ever scum-game, sure that could be plausible. Here, though? It doesn't make much sense.
As I've kinda already said, I dont see either my wagon or yours leading to an immediate elim, but yeah the volume of reaction from you in contrast to the initial post does strike me as panicing somewhat. You're clearly not newbscum here, but I could see scum in general in your situation being concerned in a general sense about getting too much heat.
In post 248, Uncrowned wrote:Also, being self-aware doesn't necessarily mean you care about how you're perceived. It just means you know or have a sense of how you're going to be perceived for making certain plays/posts.
Valid point
Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2021 5:44 am
by Marky Mark
In post 252, Uncrowned wrote:The self-awareness bit isn't meant o be a tell of alignment. It's meant to signify that, no, something as basic as early game posting where I naked vote and then make a push on the slot that reacts badly to that vote is something that I
1: Know will generate interest in my slot, both good and bad.
2: Could put me at the forefront of a wagon.
It is well within both alignment ranges for me.
And for Mark, who is trying to put up this pretense as a "hey let's work this out together" kinda guy, failing to understand this or give it any sort of credence goes directly against the character he's trying to portray. The inconsistency is scummy af
I am trying to sort you - I do want to work together if you are town here, but posts like this when you twist where I'm coming from in a disingenuous way don't really help.
The initial post is scumlean, the subsequent defence including the self meta is also scumlean and the two together (low-effort initial post followed by high-effort subsequent self defence and attack on me) don't feel massively consistent. Of course, I could be wrong and your initial post could be a ploy to generate reactions as you suggest - this feels unlikely though given how the follow-up is inconsistent with it.
Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2021 5:56 am
by Marky Mark
In post 246, Uncrowned wrote:You can't talk about "let's work together" and all that LAMISTy stuff while actively and blatantly ignoring the most clear evidence that my initial vote was at best town indicative for me, or at worst completely null in determining my alignment.
I want to come back to this, because I am keen to work together as a group, but I also feel like you are acting in bad faith towards me, which is putting up a barrier to talking through things. You have continually misrepped me throughout our conversation eg
155 - you outright state that I assumed that scum!you would think they could quicklim me, which simply wasn't true. If you'd just asked me to clarify my position, I could have explained this. Instead, you launch an attack on me based on a completely incorrect premise of how I was viewing events.
206 - you claim that I hadn't been providing reasons to SR you, when I had in fact spelled them out at length in the thread.
229 - you imply that I was being inconsistent by not treating you and chkflip the same, when it was pretty clear that both of you naked voted in very different contexts. I think you knew this too.
238 - you try to claim that if I actually was scumhunting you in good faith then I would be looking into your meta, despite the fact that this is not something I generally do, and not something that anyone else in the thread had been doing.
If you were actually town here, I could understand you refuting my points if you thought I was mistaken, but I don't see what motive you would have to repeatedly misrep me and twist the truth like this
Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2021 5:58 am
by Marky Mark
Aside from my top SR of uncrowned,
FOS Jake and Vax
- both slots seem to be fairly thin on scumhunting/analysis compared to their # of posts.
I'm probs gonna be off for the rest of the weekend, but may check in now and again if I have time.
- both slots seem to be fairly thin on scumhunting/analysis compared to their # of posts.
I'm probs gonna be off for the rest of the weekend, but may check in now and again if I have time.
I don't exist to scumhunt. I exist to be a terrible quote machine.
Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2021 7:46 am
by Gamma Emerald
Alright, so the reason I picked the cover of Necromancer I did was because I wanted to get to this thing. So one thing I was mildly sad about during the Micro Normal I modded with the video game metal cover VC flavor was that my flavor thematic kept me from doing songs like this (though this came after that ended). But anyway, cute song composed for a kinda cool VTuber.
Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2021 10:21 am
by Mistyx
UNVOTE: uncrowned
this level of effort is what i was looking for earlier
"Hey guys, L-2 watch out watch out but lemme stay on the wagon."
I agree, this does not look good.
My vote stays where it is, though.
Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2021 2:59 pm
by Grendel
In post 253, Flea The Magician wrote:Given I've got 1 game meta with both of you, you're the one slightly off meta. Mark is just super friend and a town cheerleader type imo
Isnt chkflip normally a more abrasive/domineering personality type in discussion?
I understand that aposing as his character can impact posts, or whatever, but i feel like what he has done so far this game doesn't look like how he played in a prevous town game I had with him. Also, I do only have one game's worth exp w/ him so idk the full depth of his range as town, and scum.
Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2021 3:15 pm
by Grendel
I havent read the casing of uncrowned yet, I will later tonight, or tomorrow night
Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2021 3:32 pm
by Mistyx
ok i went and read uncrowned's posts in detail
i feel very good about my unvote now
Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2021 3:33 pm
by Mistyx
VOTE: JTW
don't like their post towards vax early, it felt like a discredit attempt for the sake of it
in fact i would go so far to say it gives jake and porkens w/w equity :O
Mark is >rand scum atm but there's decent chance he's just clueless town
I dont think uncrowned!scum makes this comment
Could you go into more detail as to why?
I had a logical reason in my head, but now it evades me. Trying to process where I was at and I'm getting this:
Does uncrowned!scum call mark scum with a chance of being town, when he is likely feeling lots of pressure? Doesnt incrowned!scum just full on call mark scum. I get that scum have the be prepared for the flip, and they sometimes start calling people town, or maybe town, or SOMETHING, but why at this point?
Thats what I came up with. I'm not 100% behind it as I was before, as looking back, wagons are kinda equal.
Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2021 3:37 pm
by Vaxkiller
oh hai we friends now mistyx?
Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2021 3:38 pm
by Vaxkiller
Ever been friends with a god?
Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2021 3:40 pm
by Vaxkiller
In post 203, Marky Mark wrote:I'll drop VAX a cheeky FOS too - lots of posts, but fairly thin on any scrutiny/analysis/reads. Could be posting style tbf, but feels very different to the Bears mini where we played together.
