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[fua]

I also wouldn’t mind getting Datisi hammered soon.

That's a bad idea.
Hammering people very early on is bad because we have less time to discuss and we're probably defenstrating a townie.

If you all want a real reason to think that GeneralWu is town that isn't the Amine thing, I would have to suggest this

That’s basic mafia 101 though. Not worth a TR to say especially since someone else is gonna say it anyway.

[Nero Cain]

VOTE: humaneatingmonkey

[fua]

Also I figure I should state in public for posterity that just because an opinion is popular doesn’t necessarily mean it’s wrong. Tenebro can still be scum even with quite a few people having called him out already.

[Mizzytastic]

Stones connected horizontally and vertically form groups. To capture a group all the liberties of all the stones need to be taken.

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Official Votecount 1.2

Datisi (4): tenebrousluminary, skitter30, Yeet, humaneatingmonkey

[E-6]

humaneatingmonkey (3): Aristeia, Cape90, Nero Cain
tenebrousluminary (2): fireisredsir, fua
skitter30 (1): Datisi
Yeet (1): Frogsterking

Not Voting (8): Scorpious, Save The Dragons, DeasVail, MalcolmTucker, Eyes without a face, VP Baltar, Nordom, GeneralWu

With 19 players alive, it takes 10 votes to achieve an eliminaton.

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2022-03-12 05:15:00).

There was an error in this vote count where

Yeet

was listed as voting

skitter30

. It was fixed as of post 498

[Cape90]

oh yeah, I forgot to townbin yeet, my bad

fua seems okay for suspecting tenebro for about the same reasons as me.

[Cape90]

I also wouldn’t mind getting Datisi hammered soon.

That's a bad idea.
Hammering people very early on is bad because we have less time to discuss and we're probably defenstrating a townie.

If you all want a real reason to think that GeneralWu is town that isn't the Amine thing, I would have to suggest this

That’s basic mafia 101 though. Not worth a TR to say especially since someone else is gonna say it anyway.

I think this sort of lecturing usually just comes from town. I know it's basic mafia

[fua]

I mean, I’ve stated it as scum before. It’s a 19 person game, anyone would know that it’s a bad idea to hammer halfway through page 3.

[fua]

For the record, I do TR Wu, but not because he said that.

[tenebrousluminary]

I scumread Tenebro hard based on 116 and the attempt to defuse suspicion by essentially saying it’s just a bandwagon

I don't remember doing this. What do you mean?

[fua]

“I’m so popular, everyone is looking at me” is basically a degradation of the reason to actually suspect you and dismisses it as a trend rather than a veritable case.

[tenebrousluminary]

I am not sure how you got that idea from what I wrote, but okay.

It would be difficult for me to think any case against me had merit when I know it to be wrong.

[fua]

Yes, but I would think you would at least go and defend your position or acknowledge the votes on you. Your playstyle so far has been very dismissive and I find that that typically comes from scum.

[fua]

Tenebro makes me want to consider pushing Datisi up to a townlean just a little.

[tenebrousluminary]

I am not trying to be dismissive of anyone. But I do think it goes without saying that I do not agree with votes against me.

My hope was to be a good listener. It sounds like I'm not doing well.

[fua]

Nobody should agree with votes on them. That doesn’t mean anything. If you’re a townie then you getting miselimmed would mean two of us dying. I feel like multiple people voting you for a post should at least make you want to defend your position there instead of digging further into Datisi. It’s not dismissive of individual people so much as it is the case against you and the fact you’re being suspected.

Saying that you want to be quiet and listen (AKA ‘lurk’) doesn’t exactly put me at ease either.

[tenebrousluminary]

Nobody should agree with votes on them. That doesn’t mean anything. If you’re a townie then you getting miselimmed would mean two of us dying. I feel like multiple people voting you for a post should at least make you want to defend your position there instead of digging further into Datisi. It’s not dismissive of individual people so much as it is the case against you and the fact you’re being suspected.

It seems to me that I'm not being attacked for any position, only the way I said it. If there is a case against me beyond "post 116 is bad," I do not know what it is, nor do I know how to respond to that alone.

Saying that you want to be quiet and listen (AKA ‘lurk’) doesn’t exactly put me at ease either.

I don't think you're hearing that post in the way I meant it. Being a good listener is hearing everyone, taking in everyone's viewpoint even if I suspect them, and being kind. Listening need not come at the exclusion of speaking, particularly in a forum setting.

[fua]

So… say that? Don’t just ignore the votes and hope they go away? I don’t see how this game plan helps you or town at all.

Mmm. I’m not going to argue semantics and at best it seems like common courtesy.

In any case, you’re not going to convince me by keeping up this argument. I recommend engaging with more people and trying to hunt rather than talk about whether or not you’re being dismissive or a good listener.

[fua]

Like. If you take issue with votes on you, then start a dialogue, like you literally stated yourself.

[tenebrousluminary]

It seems like you are simultaneously demanding that I be defensive and demanding that I go on an offensive in order to satisfy you.

Convincing you is not at the top of my priority list right now anyway, thank you. I am planning to engage with more people and trying to hunt, but you are the one who said I was being dismissive. Suspecting me for responding to it seems at odds with your point that I am suspicious for not responding to the suspicions of others.

[tenebrousluminary]

Like. If you take issue with votes on you, then start a dialogue, like you literally stated yourself.

Thank you, but I plan to play the game my way. I'm sorry if that does not line up with your ideas about townie behavior.

[fua]

Okay, since we're not trying to convince each other, we can be on our merry way. Good talk.

[fua]

Actually, as an addendum, your point that you responding to me doesn't make you dismissive doesn't make any sense, since you kind of had to respond to it by default or you were only proving my point.

And acting defensively and offensively not only go hand in hand sometimes, but are directly required in the case of a dialogue. For example, I have no idea what your opinions are on the people who are voting for you even if you yourself stated that you love being controversial. 'Your way' is almost objectively detrimental to town and completely contradictory of your prior words.

[fua]

Looking back at it 265 is some of the LAMIST stuff I’ve ever seen.

[Nero Cain]

is using post tags really that hard?

[fua]

Yes, I don't know how to do it and never have done it.